Do you think the current annual online training courses are treated more like an annual checklist instead of training?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:26:19 -0500

Response by SGT Kyle Taylor made Dec 30 at 2015 11:31 PM

SGT Kyle Taylor — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:31:13 -0500

For sure! Check the block!

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 30 at 2015 11:38 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:38:12 -0500

Unfortunately the case with Most Training. Hopefully when it counts the Troops retain some of that information but nothing beats Hands On. When I was taking the Telecommunications Managers course I took extensive notes and copied them 3 times before I called it a night everyday and that seemed to have done the trick. I have to make it into a Physical Action to retain it even if it is just copying the information.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 12:38 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:38:56 -0500

Yes! I don't know anyone who actually reads the material. The only training being done is in the attempt to find a way to finish the courses faster.

Response by SGT(P) Crystal Marie France made Dec 31 at 2015 12:49 AM

SGT(P) Crystal Marie France — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 00:49:15 -0500

Yes

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 1:10 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 01:10:57 -0500

Most army courses are becoming this way in general. It's a CYA for higher ups mostly with good intentions to actually encourage/discourage a behavior. Yet in the end it's just "they were trained to/not to do this." In person classes are no better most of the time. Even if you take tests then it's presented in a way of how to pass the test not understand the material. This is because instructors need to keep their pass/fail rate up or its their fault. Honestly I think a higher fail rate would be better than no one understanding what they were supposed to be learning. Some things like ethics/SHARP/EO can not be taught in a 30 min online class or a one day "Safety Stand down" it must be mentored over time but that can not be measured.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 6:41 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 06:41:26 -0500

It is!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 8:14 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:14:15 -0500

yeah i kinda do, its the new digital army and political agenda pushed down on us.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 31 at 2015 9:31 AM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:31:53 -0500

This topic was hit on by the Strategic Studies Institute a while back. The gist of it was that there was more hours of mandatory training than there were hours in the years, so Commanders HAVE to lie about it getting done..

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Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 9:55 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 09:55:14 -0500

Yes, especially during deployments!!!!!

Response by SGT Robert Andrews made Dec 31 at 2015 10:26 AM

SGT Robert Andrews — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:26:21 -0500

The online classes,that are required through NIMS are actually required for all emergency services fire police ems . So by taking them in the military should you transition into emergency services it will help.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 1:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 13:54:46 -0500

Yes. Nuff said. They're not taken seriously, only a check the block.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2015 4:09 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 31 Dec 2015 16:09:03 -0500

This is my thought......they make it annual training because they realize that people just go threw it and they assume by the time you become a NCO you will retain most of it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2016 8:44 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 01 Jan 2016 20:44:19 -0500

Yes, and it is the biggest waste of training time I have faced in every reserve unit I have been in. What I would like to see are pre-exams that will recertify us if we score high enough...say 85 or 90%.

The other thing I wish would change is how the ASAP courses are done. I HATE HATE HATE! how we have to enroll for all of the different substances separately. Maybe they can be linked together into one course that tracks percentage completion like the SSDs do

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2016 6:13 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 02 Jan 2016 06:13:07 -0500

Yes it has definitely become a check the block thing.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 15 at 2016 8:25 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:25:32 -0500

Yes, that's why Soldiers talk about Googling for answers openly in front of their leadership, or shortcuts to finish faster.