Does freedom of speech apply to everyone?

2015-11-20T21:25:41-05:00

We fight for this country and the 1st amendment of the constitution is critical to this country. But, I am getting frustrated that is limited to whom our DC leadership decides. Article linked below illustrates the issue. A chancellor at a university should not be able to shut down a student union trying to voice their opinion because she disagrees with their opinion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/11/20/white-student-union-challenges-black-lives-matter-at-university-of-illinois/

‘White Student Union’ challenges Black Lives Matter at University of Illinois

“We feel they disrupt student daily life and activity far too much," the page's creator said.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 20 at 2015 9:29 PM

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Maj William Gambrell Exactly, PC, is like an infant's room. A lot of cryng until they are fed. Sorry my brain is causing me to not be able to communicate effectively.

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Nov 20 at 2015 9:44 PM

2015-11-20T21:44:22-05:00

Free speech applies to everyone. It's just that some people think that their message is more important than someone else's.

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Nov 20 at 2015 9:49 PM

2015-11-20T21:49:34-05:00

Nobody has complete freedom of speech Maj William Gambrell.
For instance, military members cannot endorse a candidate or a commercial product or service while in uniform.
Nobody has the right to insult another person in speech or in writing.
Our responsibility to speak respectfully trumps the right to speak whatever comes to our minds.

Response by Cpl Tou Lee Yang made Nov 20 at 2015 10:23 PM

2015-11-20T22:23:03-05:00

Freedom of speech does not apply to military personnel. Try cussing your superior out and see how fast you end up in the brig before you can even utter the word, "my 1st Amendment right is being violated".

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Nov 20 at 2015 10:33 PM

2015-11-20T22:33:58-05:00

It applies to everyone but it is not absolute and applicable for use 100% of the time

Response by CAPT Tom Bersson made Nov 20 at 2015 10:38 PM

2015-11-20T22:38:46-05:00

Actually the serving military has some limitations that other citizens don't have. Article I, Section 8 of the constitution of the United States.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Nov 20 at 2015 11:02 PM

2015-11-20T23:02:23-05:00

This is not new. The left can dish it out but they cannot take their own medicine. They drove this young girl out of their school with their harassment.

"There's a Black Student Union for African Americans, a Latinos Unidos for Latin Americans, and an ALOHA Club for Asian Americans at Freedom High -- as is the case in most, if not all, Bay Area high schools. So, Lisa wondered, why not a Caucasian Club?

She had planned for the club to be open to everyone, "a kind of comfortable place," she said in an interview late last month, where students of all backgrounds could talk about race -- with an emphasis on European history -- and how her "whiteness" affects those who aren't white.

The club would go to museums, have fund-raisers, invite speakers.

To McClelland, who is of Scottish, German, American Indian, Latino and Irish descent, the racial tensions of the past, she has said, "belong in the past."

Her vision of the club, however, was not shared by all. The East County chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People said it vehemently opposed the name of the club, calling it culturally insensitive."

http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Caucasian-Club-founder-decides-to-leave-school-2570303.php

Caucasian Club founder decides to leave school / Oakley freshman decides to transfer, cites...

Her push to start a Caucasian Club at her predominately white school -- in predominately white Oakley, population 25,000 -- has made national headlines, causing harassment, she said, from fellow students. She hasn't been at school in nearly two weeks and doesn't plan to come back. With her parents' consent, she has decided to transfer to La Paloma, a continuation high school in nearby Brentwood.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Nov 20 at 2015 11:09 PM

2015-11-20T23:09:42-05:00

Definitely a violation of Freedom of Speech.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Nov 20 at 2015 11:11 PM

2015-11-20T23:11:33-05:00

Funny you should mention it. I am working on a short story about how parents lose their freedom of speech with age. I must hold my tongue at family gatherings "to keep the peace" while the younger generation is free to spout every form of progressive nonsense. I'm not even allowed to laugh at it. And God forbid that we should even glance at a child who coughs for we will be lectured by the mother that she has the situation well in hand. Is it any wonder then that students who are so inclined to rebel against their parents are going to rebel against strangers?

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Nov 20 at 2015 11:50 PM

2015-11-20T23:50:26-05:00

Maj William Gambrell Students, young people and others with limited skills and experience in life need to learn how to defer to authority and others appointed over them! Someone has to be in charge!

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2015 3:33 AM

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Certainly not white male Republicans!!!

Response by PV2 Scott Goodpasture made Nov 21 at 2015 12:49 PM

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Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Nov 21 at 2015 11:20 PM

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If that school is getting public funding whether directly from the government or through students paying with government funded student loans, the school should be held to the same standard as any other government entity regarding first amendment rights. If it is a privately funded school, then they can do whatever they want.

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Nov 22 at 2015 12:13 PM

2015-11-22T12:13:29-05:00

Yes it does. Obviously it must be within reason and common sense for example we can't yell fire in a crowded theater.

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 22 at 2015 3:58 PM

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It would seem whomever can yell "PC" first, the loudest, and strongest (and maybe with a few perceived/real threats thrown in for good measure) is the winner as it pertains to the freedom of speech...

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2015 8:05 AM

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... politically correct answer is .... no ...

Response by TSgt Dave Beem made Nov 23 at 2015 9:18 AM

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In this case it depends on what the student handbook says. Colleges are pretty PC nowadays and so are public schools. Example, if you're FOR gay and lesbian lifestlyes, you're cool and can say pretty much whatever you want on the subject. However, if you do NOT agree and get vocal about it, you're "disparaging" a lifestyle..Schools and conservatism had a major disconnect in the 1960's and it went downhill from there. Unfortunately, most schools DO put in the student handbook what subjects ARE ok and what are not ok to talk about. God help you if you tell a dirty joke in anything other than complete privacy (Got bagged for that one while I was in as well..some woman with radar ears..and oddly enough the joke wasn't even ABOUT women)

Say ANYTHING negative about something liberals love and they can shut you down. WHY? Because there's no real definition of "offensive behavior" What might be offensive to a liberal, ivy league professor might be just fine in a bar down Alabama way. It's SUBJECTIVE, meaning if it pisses you off (or even makes you think, something liberals hate to do when confronted with REAL facts) they can shut it down immediately. Unless, of course, you're slamming conservatives, republicans, our country's history, the military or anything even remotely leaning to the right. Then it's open season.

And you should know better than to ask that question being in the military. You KNOW that WE in the military do NOT have any such thing like freedom of speech. "With all due respect to your rank, sir, you're a fucking idiot who will get fragged the first time you go into combat!" because you can't find your ass with both hands, instructions, a GPS unit, and OnStar!

Yeah. How many times have you encountered someone you REALLY wanted to say that to? And you won't see the ACLU stepping up to support anyone taking a whack at liberals or their causes either. PC is a LIBERAL entity. I don't know a single conservative person who thinks PC should even exist. Courtesy, tact and chivalry, yes, but no Political Correctness. As military we're trained to think with facts..black and white. You can't be "a little bit pregnant" nor can someone be a "part time terrorist". Liberals MADE the "GREY AREAS" in our lives. To me, it's right, or it's WRONG, there is no grey.

If you're talking about something with your parents and one of them says "that's enough", do you keep going, or do you shut up and color?

Response by SPC David S. made Nov 23 at 2015 5:58 PM

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Yes - but liberals don't really like or respect the freedom of speech as it makes much of their rhetoric up for debate. Democratic Sens. Jon Tester and Chris Murphy proposed a constitutional amendment reversing the Supreme Court’s Citizens United decision, which Barack Obama lamented in one of his State of the Union addresses, by denying constitutional rights to corporations. This would have pretty much wipe out freedom of the press and some other freedoms as well. I wouldn't expect much less from any college administrator.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2015 6:36 PM

2015-11-24T18:36:05-05:00

You Sir., are way right. And it's important that American Society understands. This very important fact. 50 - % of all looking the other way on crime , federal government policy issues , corruption , destruction of the American family. And so on and so on. Can be traced back to the 'DUAL-CITIZEN' Jew in ownership of Media. And their counter parts with in American government. In time they will be Purged out from the halls of power. Out and away from any position in which WAR can be created , government contracts can be awarded , Judge ships can be obtained , local or national policy can be created , criminal justice can be awarded. And so on and so fourth. We as a Society demand Truth & Justice in the American way. And we will have it. Just as soon as the younger generation understands the truth about how their future has been ripped out from under them. It's a short time form now. Keep you chin up , and thanks for the good question.

Response by Cpl Michael P made Jun 1 at 2022 10:53 PM

2022-06-01T22:53:38-04:00

Yes it should but there are still hidden stumbling blocks.

Response by Amn Chris Humbert-Nassetta made Jun 30 at 2022 2:33 AM

2022-06-30T02:33:09-04:00

Not everyone! ! ! Psychos, spreading hate speech, and rhetoric, should not speak!

Response by PVT Roger Delgadillo made Jul 6 at 2022 11:22 PM

2022-07-06T23:22:42-04:00

Yes

Response by Sgt Joel Pedaline made Jul 27 at 2022 6:34 PM

2022-07-27T18:34:24-04:00

People should ponder what they're going to say before opining

Response by SP6 Peter Murphy made Jul 27 at 2022 10:17 PM

2022-07-27T22:17:32-04:00

In the United States of America it applies to one and all, but we are generally the exception among nation states.

Response by SSG Steve Knox made Dec 30 at 2022 11:57 AM

2022-12-30T11:57:32-05:00

Yes, as long as it doesn't bring harm to other individuals. I try to show compassion towards everyone. especially those I don't agree with. I try to understand from their point of view by keeping an open mind. This doesn't always change my world view; but I seek truth.