Does the current Structured Self Development course system efficiently promote Professional development?

2013-12-08T16:08:22-05:00

Seems unfair since all you really have to do is go to Wiki Answers and get the answers. The website seems like it is non-user friendly as well.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 4:11 PM

2013-12-08T16:11:24-05:00

Waste of time, we cannot replace what should be institutional training with online software that never works, and when it does, it is more bland than watching infomercials at 1 am. I have yet to see any excitement or learning whatsoever from SSD. However, I am sure it looks great on someones NCOER/OER.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 4:12 PM

2013-12-08T16:12:37-05:00

Sir, it isn't very user friendly, nor is it browser friendly. Also a lot of good knowledge is stored in the program, but entirely too much information to absorb. In my opinion, it should be revised.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Dec 8 at 2013 4:25 PM

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You get out of it what you put into it.

If you want it to be a 'check the block training' and search for the answers instead of actually going through the material and LEARNING something, that's exactly what it'll be.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 4:33 PM

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MAJ Bartlett,

It is my opinion that the SSD curriculum should be taught by NCOs to their Soldiers, yet while this is ideal it doesn't happen when it should or as often as it should. In the last few years alone, I've seen the NCO Corps fill slots with personnel more focused on filling a billet, than training, mentoring and leading Soldiers. While this isn't the same for all NCOs in the E-5 and E-6 ranks by any means, it's prevalent enough we need to take a look at ourselves and the kinds of people we're setting up as the future core of the Senior NCO ranks.

With that said, I didn't get anything out of SSD1. PowerPoint makes us stupid and the only thing it's good for is providing a visual aid during training, yet many seem to think the training from looking at a piece of paper is just as valid as solid mentorship and training from a competent and motivated NCO to a motivated Soldier willing to learn from said training.

My $0.02

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 5:29 PM

2013-12-08T17:29:37-05:00

While I agree that all of the SSDs are not without their difficulties, I do believe they are great learning tools.  Could they be employed differently....probably.  I believe this should be training taught in a classroom as opposed to online.....with the possibility of Soldiers getting more out of it than just sitting in front of a computer screen clicking the NEXT button repetitively.<br>

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 6:00 PM

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Structure Self-Development is designed to be just that. Self-Development! It's all designed to "Bridge the Gap"; in between NCOES resident courses are SSD's which help which give us information about things we didn't think about needing to know. Such as SSD III: Role of Special Operations like PSYOPS or Civil Affairs and how they play a major role into YOUR mission... Or SSD IV: Organize a Pass and Review (Drill and Ceremony).. Great info that no one really thinks about needing to know but its there! The Army wants us as leaders and professionals to be educated and the only way to keep us constantly up to speed is to make us complete courses! And they Army Leadership is engaged by making it prerequisites for promotion! I'm all for it! Completed SSD 1, 3, 4... And believe it or not, as of this week there was still about 8,000 SSG's eligible for SFC that have not completed SSD III. Pure craziness!!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 6:16 PM

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its extremely difficult to work, most times it wont load and if it does its super finicky. Once loaded its super easy. the thought behind is good, but the classes are super easy and you can easily skip whole sections and still complete it. I honestly thought It was a joke, but since its required I completed anyways. anything online can be manipulated and cheated, the only real way to make sure things are getting done is to have required assignments, such as starting a discussion point and mandatory responses or something.

Response by SSG Chuck H. made Dec 8 at 2013 7:22 PM

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I had compatibility issues depending upon which level I was working on. I did level I for knowledge and a refresher since I had already completed WLC before it was released. I use chrome routinely and didn't understand why it wasn't working so I tried IE and voila' it worked.
Since I had erroneously enrolled myself into level III initially I decided why not complete it as well while I had the chance. Since I had used IE for level I I naturally thought I would be required to use it also. Wrong again, I needed to use chrome to access things properly and IE was completely useless.
In overall terms yeah lots of user friendly issues with each level I took. I can't speak for level IV or V but I will presume they are not without issues of their own. I figure if *I* thought they were dry and lacked imagination what will a young Soldier half my age think?
As far as the content I learned and relearned several things while going through the lessons. And yes I actually went through them rather than cheating and checking the block. I figured all I'd be doing is cheating myself if I did it that way. My problem with this among other things is my own comprehension of the minor details. I am not normally able to spout off information off the top of my head about things I read about two years ago. Instead, I used the lessons and wrote down the references in my "book of cheat sheets" so I know where to go should the question arise.
BLUF: All was not lost on me with SSD I or III but there are many tweaks that could be done to improve content as well as compatibility.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 11:35 PM

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I think time restraints and having the 'right' presenter might be difficult at times - but I believe it would be more beneficial for everyone to have these courses in a classroom type environment where personal interact can take place an ideas more properly instilled.

The only online courses I think are worthwhile on their own were the skillport e-learning ones that gave you actual college course material and ebooks allowing you to go through (what would be offered at a college) at your own speed and convenience. Which then gave you the chance to possibly either 'clep' out of a college course or be able to just go for a certification test (like for computer type ones).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2013 11:49 PM

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I think SSD is a great idea in theory but it comes down to the individual motivation of our soldiers. Most of the Specialists I talk to think of it as a chore or something they don't look forward too. Also the course software is very glitchy, as far as cheating NCO can always supervise the training of those on active duty. For reserves we are on the honor system because if we relied on computers at the drill hall no one would ever be able to finish them.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Dec 8 at 2013 11:55 PM

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SSD= Super Slow Development<div>I hate that website.</div><div>94 modules into it, I don't think I need the slide that forces me to learn to navigate through the site.  I'm just saying.</div>

Response by SFC James Baber made Dec 8 at 2013 11:59 PM

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This is just the newest version of getting the necessary steps to getting promoted, this is not new, do any of the old-timers on here remember when your units used to have the floppy disks, cds or print-outs that had the answers to the infantryman correspondence course that were worth hundreds of credit hours that could get you up to 100 promotions points back in the day depending on what level courses and how many you took. The Army and Marines had the same courses for almost 2 decades and the answers were passed around during the 90s like it was a right of passage from E6 to E5 to E4 for so long it was common knowledge, so much so that PSBs didn't even question the point addition sheets when they came in for point adjustments.

This is supposed to be more and better controlled, but in reality it is just a newer version, I have seen the electronic versions at the schoolhouse @ Fort Lee for these courses for QM,OD, and TP for the last few years.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Dec 9 at 2013 12:37 AM

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I absolutely LOVE the new SSD's! My first look is in February, and as of now there are THOUSANDS of NCO's who couldn't be bothered to do it, thereby taking themselves out of the running for promotion.

Anything that helps my odds is great in my book!

Response by SSG Matthew Thomas made Dec 9 at 2013 10:12 AM

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What ever happened to NCOPD, SGT's time training, and mentoring? I believe the Army realized that this was not being done so they devised an online training course to help in the process. NCOPD was a much better way to train and mentor junior NCO's.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2013 3:40 PM

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I for one am relieved that SSD III covered the burning question as to how many days after leave may I request a band. That's important stuff for a combat leader to know! Especially a squad leader or platoon sergeant! Can you sense my sarcasm?

Response by SGT Aja Johnson made Dec 10 at 2013 2:16 AM

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Honestly, I don't mind it. I actually did SSD I while I was attending WLC before it was required. It went over the same curriculum as WLC and that helped me make Commandant's list. I have already completed SSD 3 before they started the auto enroll. It was good learning what it had to offer, even though I am going to learn it again in NCOES. Even if it will be gone over again, I know it will be in the back of my mind so when that NCOES comes up, it will be like a refresher. It's good for Soldiers to know but I don't feel like it should be required as it is going to be taught again in school. I feel like it should be an option if that soldier feels like taking the initiative.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2013 2:58 AM

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While everyhting in the world is slowly being automated and computer generated I cannot stress enought that you just cant replace what NEEDS to be taught in-house (WLC, ALC, SLC, unit ran leadership courses and so on). How do you expect soldiers to learn anything when you put it on a disk/computer box them in a corner and tell them to do it or dont expect a promotion. Its going to get to a point where theses courses will be treated like the 50 million other mandatory training classes we have to do......blow through the slides, check the block and charlie mike until next time around.

Response by 1SG Steven Stankovich made Dec 10 at 2013 6:27 AM

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Bottom line is that it is irrelevant how Soldiers feel about SSD. Completion of the different levels of SSD are a prerequisite for consideration for promotion. If you do not like doing them, then don't do them. When you do not get promoted and wonder why, I would start here.

And yes, I completed my required level of SSD... ;)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2013 11:25 AM

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Sir, you asked how we feel about it.

To put it lightly, I feel that the ALMS system is a dinosaur and needs a radical overhaul to be brought more into line with major educational venues with its layouts and course accessibility/function. The current design is inefficient and not user-friendly. This is a major problem.

To directly address the SSDs themselves? I can see the underlying principle the Army is trying to achieve by implementing a "fill-in-the-gap" style self-teaching method, but the reality is, not many personnel gain anything from those slide shows. I just completed SSD3 recently and I can honestly say about 75% of it already went out the window.

I don't know. I think the program is a step in the right direction, but we need to review its implementation and what kind of content is actually being pushed out to the force.

10/10 would not take again.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2014 11:41 PM

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The purpose behind SSD is a good idea with bridging the gap between NCOES courses. Unfortunately, it doesn't do that at all. The course work you learn in SSD is not applicable at the next level of NCOES and frankly is far more technical than the audience learning the material needs to be at. It's application and horrible page load outs leave me feeling as if I just suffered a fatality in mortal combat. The real idea behind SSD should have been to complete common core requirements so that when the leader arrived at their next NCOES they could focus purely on MOS specific training at the next higher grade not their current grade. 

Response by SSG John Mendyka made Jan 3 at 2014 1:14 AM

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Honestly SSD 3 wasn't that bad. Some of the information was refreshing and it was nice to see a writing portion. I found that the only way to really pass the tests were to pay attention and do the class. Over all it was probably the best online training I have taken so far. Granted that is like being the tallest midget but still not a bad class over all.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jan 3 at 2014 3:37 AM

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Sir, it is a good genuine system, but with flaws e.g, it took me 7 months to complete my SSD because of the system being down and on going changes. I feel it is a newer SQT version, but never can replace the orginal system, because it dealt with MOS related task/skills.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2014 7:59 AM

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I think that the information in the Structured Self-Development is really great! However, the narrator is SUPER monotone! The lessons are very dry and some of the practical exercise questions are not even totally revealed in the learning pages. There is a lot of work to be done on these websites to really make them legitimate. Also, some of the material although very useful information is way beyond the pay grade of the SM. For instance, lucky for me I was a SGT or SSG when I completed SSD1 but the information in SSD1 is a lot about CNO/CAO duties and the Six-Sigma. I feel that learning about the CNO/CAO duties is a really good thing to know and I appreciated the lesson but I will have nothing to do with CNO/CAO until I make SFC, why is it being taught to skill level 1? And the six-sigma, where do I even start on that...unless a skill level one soldier is a supply clerk or something I do not see that even applying. I deal very little with ordering things and budgets as a SSG Squad Leader, how much does the average Joe have to deal with that? Overall I think the concept is good but the system is flawed and the material a bit advanced for the level.

Response by SFC Jim Neel made Jan 7 at 2014 10:32 PM

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I am not a advocate of the old saying, "if you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin'." Its pretty disturbing that Soldiers are skipping the actual studying part and opting for googling the answers or looking at Wikianswers. Ultimately this is about people who may be in a position to make decisions that affect other's lives later on in their military careers.

Prior to retiring I completed SSD IV, and I found it useful. I learned a lot of stuff, and then there was stuff that I could proceed directly to the post test because of experience. But I doubt the integrity of the actual learning process in SSD when there isn't actual testing either on paper or on a computer that is offline with computer-based testing. I fear that the Army may begin to find a disparity between what level a Soldier has completed in SSD, and what they actually know when they show up at the parallel level of NCOES, because of the lack of integrity in testing. Assuming that the point of SSD is to bring an individual to a level where they can hit the ground running when they get to WLC, ALC, SLC, SMA.

I would want to see is continuation of the online learning experience, but with a testing program initiated by DA and officially administered within brigade level, where certified brigade testers go to the subordinate units and conduct the testing either on scantron answer sheets or laptops that have the test loaded (offline). What would make it really exciting and really single out individuals who wanted to excel is if the test scores were integrated into the promotion point worksheet and the score was a mandatory bullet on NCOERs. It would be reminiscent of the old SQT and SDT days.

Response by SFC James Baber made Jan 11 at 2014 10:36 PM

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I think this is a good thread for those we are trying to get to join can see the substance of some things we discuss between us as current and former military, soft spoken as well as informational and mentoring types of postings.

We also have fun at times while remaining professional.

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made Jan 11 at 2014 11:16 PM

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Waste of time, I don't know anyone who is actually reading or retaining any of the information. It is a check in the block long ass assignment. Even if the answers at the end where changed to fill in the blank no one would retain the information. It would be seek the answers via google, pretty much like it already is.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jan 11 at 2014 11:29 PM

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To be honest, I learn best when I grab a regulation, sit down, and actually read the thing. SSD leaves much to be desired in comparison to that in my opinion.

Response by LTC Jason Bartlett made Jan 12 at 2014 5:42 PM

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Seems to easy to me. Just google the answers.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2014 5:46 PM

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I know a SPC who is on SSD-4, and how is that logical? It should be available when you hit the respected rank that requires said SSD course to promote. To respond to your original question Sgt., it is too easy. Maybe an actual course with leaders/teachers could actually teach the lessons instead.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Jan 12 at 2014 5:55 PM

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SSD forces Soldiers to SELF educate...whether they decide to short-cut it (by Googling answers) or actually try to learn something, is on them and their career development.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2014 9:20 PM

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to quote a former 1SG who is an awesome leader

"Module 2 of SSD-4 complete, as an average Infantry First Sergeant I am now fully qualified to interact on the theatre and multi-national level with host foreign ambassadors and the Joint Chief of Staff. I am still waiting for the part that covers being a First Sergeant, you know like taking care of soldiers and running a company mission CCP? No sign of those things yet."

That pretty much sums up everything I've heard about SSD.

Response by SSG Robert Burns made Jan 13 at 2014 12:27 AM

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When was the last time, or has SSD EVER been updated? How does it stay current with accurate information? How does it adapt to change?

Response by SSG V. Michelle Woods made Jan 13 at 2014 6:50 AM

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My biggest issue with SSD are the typos and misspelled words. It may seem minute but it blows my mind these official, DA required courses were published without being proofread.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2014 2:07 PM

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I can only speak to A) My Soldiers' experience, and B) my experience with DL for my Captain's Career Course.

Army DL is crap. Plain and simple. On top of that, it's not the best conduit to learn the information. The programs rarely work efficiently, and the "help" that is out there hasn't been very helpful...for both me and those with whom I've talked about this.

I understand that's all about saving money, and I don't hate the Army for that. However, don't pee on my leg, and tell me it's raining. The change wasn't for my benefit; it was for their benefit.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2014 9:15 PM

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I think that SSD comes from a decent enough idea, the problem is implementation. Commands are requiring Soldiers to complete SSD on the commands time table, which is usually an arbitrary quarter. So what happens is Soldier do not even attempt to do SSD in a manner in which learning is the goal. They are simply trying to get it done to get command off their backs. The other problem that this causes is NCOs lose a method of determining which Soldiers are motivated. Because Soldiers are required to do it all at one time by the CoC it vanillas the whole concept. So when these same Soldiers are enrolled in ALC CC or SSD 3,4, etc they do the same exact thing they did with SSD 1.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2014 7:42 AM

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It is the biggest waste of time and money. Not sure why the army decided to use online courses (much like ALC phase 1) but it doesn't help us as leaders to simply Google the answers and not actually learn/retain the information. Honestly, I would prefer to do things the old school way and have this taught in a classroom. You're actually discussing things with an instructor and obtaining new ideas from your peers. It's complete crap and they should get rid of it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2014 8:36 AM

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I just recently completed SSD IV. Some of the information covered was familiar to me already so it wasn't too bad. Generally appropriate for what I should know and/or be concerned with. Having the links to the publications covering the lesson topics was helpful. There were a few modules that covered information I believed to be irrelevant to either my current or next rank or to my current or future duty descriptions. I agree with others that the web system is slow. Painfully slow. I read fast and waiting for the slides to allow me to proceed with each lesson was annoying.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 11 at 2014 7:44 PM

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I completed SSD 4 while I was deployed and it was good information. I hadn't attended a NCOES school since 2003 so it was a good refresher for me. I took my time and got as much out of it as I could. I actually enjoy learning so I thought it was time well spent.

Response by CPT Mike M. made Feb 12 at 2014 12:01 PM

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Personally I think we officers could stand to have a few thrown our way. Learning should never stop.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2014 8:00 AM

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I think this shares some similarities with completing online college courses. If you are invested in your military career as much as you are in college when you are completing those courses, SSDs shouldn't be treated any differently. I think the leadership has recognized it to be very difficult to be able to get EVERY individual into certain training courses and this is one way they can all everybody to be able to get training in. It really is a "Get out of it what you put into it" type of training. For the younger Soldiers SSD one is very helpful. My Soldiers are all intelligence analysts. The military writing style block of instruction is extremely helpful in establishing a baseline for their report writing to do their job. It goes more in depth when you complete ALC Common Core and SSD 3. I believe they are great tools if emphasis is put on them.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2014 8:07 AM

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Terrible. You nailed it when you said the website is non-user friendly and the doctrine has been rescinded or outdated for YEARS!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 23 at 2014 11:10 AM

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I completed SSD1 early last year. I started before it was made mandatory and finished it after I got the email. 80 hours of instruction in two weeks. My eyes and ears were bleeding, but instead of taking the easy way out (wiki answers) I took notes during each module and used them during the quizzes. I didn't come from a military background and I didn't know anyone in the military when I enlisted, so I found the course informative.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2014 1:32 AM

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I completed my SSD-3 in 18 hours while I worked in the office working on records for the next board cycle. Months later I noticed some of my fellow NCOs were registered for SSD-3/SSD-4 and were given a week to complete the course. It was hard to take this course serious when this self paced course must be completed in 3 yrs from date of registration and then directed to complete all the modules in a week. I would have enjoyed it more if it was on Blackboard/Adobe DCO and had interaction with my peers.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 2:26 PM

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I originally enrolled in SSD IV only because it's a requirement for promotion. After taking the course, i would say it did provide valuable information with respect to the joint environment. I personally have not been assigned to a joint position, and so this course, along with the SEJPME course, have provided me perspectives of the joint environment.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Mar 2 at 2014 2:34 PM

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SSD is a good tool to bridge the gap, or in layman's term, continually educate oneself, on NCOES topics...you keep learning.

Because it's 'forced', Soldiers will (and have) initially rebel; that's just human nature. Over the next year or so, SSD will improve (content and connectivity) and Soldiers will get into the routine...all will be right in the world.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 2:38 PM

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MSG Kepler,

We had a big push last year to knock it out, at first I was apprehensive but then I found that it was a great tool. It helped renew my knowledge that I had let slip away. The other Platoon Sergeants had the same thoughts.

V/R

1SG Haro

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 4:28 PM

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I think SSD is beneficial towards NCO development. I finished up SSD3 last summer, and I learned a few things from it. I did get frustrated with technical problems using the website, as I had to repeat a few lessons because it crashed. Overall, it was a good experience though and I did feel it helped me out.

One thing I wish it gave me the option to do was to 'test out' of certain lessons. There was the occasional topic that I was already familiar with and didn't get much out of it. I would have liked the option to take the quiz without having to sit through the training. I also understand that this may not always be ideal because there could still be something that I didn't know about a subject, regardless of how familiar I may be with it.

In the end, I think that as long as technical issues with the website are worked out, requiring Soldiers to complete the SSDs to qualify for promotions is a very good thing. They cover very relevant topics that one might not experience on a day-to-day basis, but need to know if they want to be effective leaders.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 4:32 PM

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Personally, I think for the lower echelons it is a good tool. I'm speaking only from my experience, but I think the higher levels are a bit common sensical. I was super motivated before it was blocked, thus allowing me to complete through SSD IV. As a lowly SGT, I did learn a little bit, but most of it was common knowledge. I also think it may be better if it were a continued thing rather than a one time completion. This day in age, so much is changing that I'm sure the SSD IV would be much more evolved and relevant in the future. I would actually be ok with it being something done every other year or so. I also feel that initially, so much emphasis should not be placed on it. I could be a dirtbag that completed it and thus have an advantage over a better leader that did not. The modules contained were not make or break. I do feel that SSD I should still be required to be promoted to SGT, though.

Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2014 12:33 AM

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I think of SSD as being the latest block to check. I don't need to know how many days after leave I may request a band. SSD 4 appeared to be a lot of stuff, like D&C, that if I really needed to know it, I could reference it. Do I need a quiz on how to run a funeral? Is that what's going to make me an effective war fighter?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2014 12:38 AM

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It is a complete waste of time.  The thing that kills me about the whole program is that someone at a very high level blessed off on this whole program.<br>

Response by SSG Alleria Stanley made Mar 3 at 2014 1:33 PM

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One disappointment? You get all of this information from the SSDs, but there is no way to reference it. Once you graduate, you're locked out. It'd be great for graduates to still have a Quick Reference link.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Mar 3 at 2014 1:58 PM

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Hi, as a former officer, I am not as familiar with SSD and its evolution. Can someone here elaborate on what the desired training goals are for SSD? I see there are multiple phases, etc. -- are these for all NCOs, certain ranks, positions, etc? Thanks, as I would like to learn more and understand everyone's points better.

Response by SSG Daniel Deiler made Mar 3 at 2014 4:41 PM

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I think it's intent is great...however in an online form it stinks to high heaven. While in SLC, I had many classmates admit to just clicking through the slides and taking the tests multiple times until getting a passing score. They didn't learn anything. Someone somewhere chose to do this instead of going through the "phase 1" traditional classroom setting of each NCOES school to save money. I think perhaps the course content and testing should be proctored. This would help to insure that NCO's aren't just checking the block. Heck, they might actually learn something.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 3 at 2014 4:55 PM

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In order to complete ssd you have to downgrade to Internet Explorer 9. You can't use anything else to complete the program.

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Mar 3 at 2014 6:28 PM

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I learned quite a bit from them, i took all of them just to see what they were all about. as with any set of classes some of them needed adjusting but over all i was very impressed and learned a lot from them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2014 9:37 AM

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I think SSDs are the greatest military course ever!!!!!

I now know how to lead my soldiers and do my job!!!!!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 3 at 2014 11:26 AM

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I am not a fan of the SSD in general, some of the subjects they cover, you will recieve more formal training for. (ie, as an E7 my SSD covered Casualty Assitance Officer, I dint need to waste time at home, because if I'm assied CAO duties, I will have to go through the official Course. However, as a NG Soldier, it can be used as a tool, as those who want to learn and be promoted, they will complete this on thier own time. That shows dedication and self improvement, virtues of a leader.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2014 2:26 AM

2014-04-05T02:26:39-04:00

SSD has its pro's and con's for me I did learn some new things; along with how to do a few things I thought I knew better. It also had some lessons in their that we as leaders use on a day to day bases. However every leader is different and the lessons I believe could be removed another leader could say they needed that lesson.

Response by 1SG Shane Hansen made Apr 22 at 2014 1:00 PM

2014-04-22T13:00:38-04:00

I agree and disagree all at the same time. The Soldier should be allotted time and access to computers at work to complete the SSD. The completion progress should be noted in their performance counseling as it should be a goal or plan to complete.

However, I think that if a Soldier does not show the initiative or desire to do what is required of them to advance, well then maybe a bar to reenlistment should be placed on them for failure to advance, keep pace with peers, show leadership potential, etc.

The SSD DL is not that difficult and should not be that big of deal. You can even google all of the answers I am told.

Oh look, the army says I am required to do something if I want to stay in, advance, or attend NCOES, let me go ahead and do that so I am not viewed as a malingerer or someone who is just doing the minimums.

The mediocre thought process is what they are trying to weed out of the military these days. I want Soldiers who take initiative and go above and beyond in my formation.

Now the other side of me says: don't force them to do it, don't pressure them. Let the one's who do want to excel and be a part of the Army team advance over them. Let the one's who do not want to complete an Army requirement do their time and just get out. So I am torn between let it be and force them to do it. Either way, those without the initiative will be weeded out. Definitely should be no form of punitive action against them for not doing it at any rate.

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Apr 22 at 2014 1:03 PM

2014-04-22T13:03:55-04:00

I would agree that commanders should put some sort spotlight on this. But at the same time, if it is that important to them that the Soldiers complete it; then the command group must be willing to give up the time in the training schedule to complete it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2014 1:24 PM

2014-04-22T13:24:23-04:00

What about Army Reserve Soldiers, they get paid for completing SSD. Should they be forced to complete it if they get paid.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2014 1:36 PM

2014-04-22T13:36:40-04:00

I think the Commanders constantly get nagged about not having soldiers 100% on school stuff to include SSD. So in order to get the monkey off their backs they put it on the Soldiers.

I think Soldiers should get at least an hour a day to work on it, that's what my current command does anyway. And while it may not be important to the Soldier at the time they may discover down range that they want to continue on and are going to be delayed in that until the work is done. I know it's time consuming and I question whether I really learned anything from it, but the Army says I need to do it so it is done.

Response by SPC Robert LaRoche made Apr 22 at 2014 2:33 PM

2014-04-22T14:33:35-04:00

In my previous unit, it came down the chain of command that the CSM had made it mandatory to complete SSD1. If it wasn't not completed by a set date, the CSM said the soldiers who had not completed it would be subject to UCMJ. Is this really allowed? I also agree with what SGT Keen had stated. The command group must be willing to give up the time in the training schedule to complete it. However, no time was given to complete SSD1.

Response by 1SG Alan Bailey made Apr 22 at 2014 2:38 PM

2014-04-22T14:38:11-04:00

I agree with we should not force them to complete SSD, when I was told that inorder to compete for SGM Academy I had to complete SSD4 or 5 which ever it is I did it took be about 2 or 3 days in Afghanistan. If the Soldier does not want to do it that is fine helps with the cutting of numbers that we have to get to. I agree with 1SG Hansen, lets use the BAR and Flags to matbe motivate them to complete it or they go do something else, some place else.

Response by 1SG Steven Stankovich made Apr 22 at 2014 3:41 PM

2014-04-22T15:41:35-04:00

SSD is the hot topic of the Army these days. I received an email a few weeks ago that outlined the numbers for the MSGs who were ineligible to be considered for promotion for the upcoming SGM board because they have not completed SSD IV. For my MOS alone, it was almost a third of the population who would not be looked at if the board convened today (it convenes this June). So this is not just a Soldier issue, it is a leader issue also.

I do not believe in the "mandatory" piece though. I, much like 1SG Hansen, believe that SSD and how it is linked to promotion and NCOES should be outlined in monthly/quarterly counseling's. A plan of action should be developed to complete the required SSD. If that plan of action is not followed, then that should be recorded. Afford your Soldiers and NCOs the tools needed to be successful. If they choose not to use them, then so be it. The direction the Army is moving nowadays, natural selection and attrition will weed those folks out who do not want to complete what is required of them for advancement.

Response by CSM Michael Poll made Apr 22 at 2014 6:57 PM

2014-04-22T18:57:04-04:00

I guess the short answer is "Yes" If you are not willing to complete the neceessary training for your current rank, or are not willing to promote, it is time to get out. My opinion only, not Army regs!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2014 7:10 PM

2014-04-22T19:10:50-04:00

Well I don't think it should be forced to complete. I will say that when I was a company 1SG the SSD was still a self enrollment deal. I talked to my whole company and expressed the importance of it. I did make every single Soldier in my company enroll for the appropriate level SSD that applied to them. I myself also completed SSD1,3 and 4 to show them that I was not above my own rule. I started an incentive program and had the Soldiers that wanted to participate give their completion status to their PSG by 1300 on Friday (or last day of the work week), the PSG would determine the highest level of completion for his platoon and bring that to me. I went over those submitted by the PSGs and whoever in the company completed the most for the week, would get Friday off the next week. My commander was in full support and added that we should give them a 4 day weekend once they completed that full course. Soldiers are motivated by free time and this also set them up for success once they were ready to make that next promotion step in their career.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Apr 22 at 2014 7:47 PM

2014-04-22T19:47:13-04:00

Yes...Soldiers should be forced to complete to be competitive for promotion to the next higher rank.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2014 8:01 PM

2014-04-22T20:01:14-04:00

No, they shouldn't be forced to complete the SSD commensurate with their rank, or future rank. They do need to be counseled though as to the negative effects this will have upon their career in the Army, or lack there of. Soldiers are adults, some more mature than others, regardless they need to be treated as such. We are all responsible for our actions, good and bad.

Response by SSG William Sutter made Apr 23 at 2014 5:14 AM

2014-04-23T05:14:10-04:00

SSD can lead to a stronger force. It shouldn't necessarily be forced but it should be highly encouraged. It was published in the last E7 promo board E6-E7 that is, all E6s that have not completed SSD 3 will not be looked at. Because of this, it should be highly encouraged for the E4 and below to complete SSD 1. I don't know who all has seen that one but the modules and training lessons in there number greatly. It will take a while to complete them all. Anyone who does not want to get promoted... There is a door, don't take up a slot that others could use to get promoted through. That and there is a massive force reduction going on right now, they could add themselves to that one as well.

To step back to the more positive side of the house, SSD is self paced and structured for the Soldier to grow not for the Soldier to just do if he or she wants to. We still have a lot in our force who just want to do college and have fun. Well, if you want to have fun or do college then do what the Army wants of you. Both win. SSD does not hurt a Soldier. It improves them.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2014 5:26 AM

2014-04-23T05:26:15-04:00

SFC Jozwiak,

I agree with you to a point. As leaders are job is to get the best out of soldiers as possible. Now as a leader you know which soldiers you have to push to get the best results from. That is all I am saying some need a push to complete SSD.

V/R

1SG Haro

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2014 8:07 AM

2014-04-23T08:07:03-04:00

When I get my monthly eligible Sgt promotion list it states if they don't meet the des/Mel requirement. That is a clear indication usually that they have not completed SSD 1. I have my platoon sergeants allot a Soldier time during work to complete their SSD. I have gone as far as setting a type of OML for Soldiers to have time to complete it. Most complete it in about 2 days. That's giving them about 4 hours a day to work on it. (Still need to get some work out of them also). If a Soldier doesn't want to take the time to do it, then they get it mentioned on their monthly performance counseling. If their not eligible for promotion because they have not completed it then they are counseled on why their not attending the promotion board. Another thing is no SSD 1 = no WLC. It is irritating to watch Soldiers not want to progress. If not to get promoted then to at least better themselves until time to ets. With that I agree with 1SG Hansen, Don't want to progress then impose a Bar. Makes the decision of telling a Soldier he doesn't make the cut to reup that much easier. Anyway, my two cents.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2014 1:25 PM

2014-04-23T13:25:00-04:00

SSD means Structured Self Development. I think SSD1 should be "forced", but after that it should fall on the individual.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2014 2:20 PM

2014-04-23T14:20:41-04:00

Leaders in my last unit were constantly under fire about the unit SSD tracker. I believe if you want to be competitive, you'll find a way to complete it. Otherwise, the Army is looking for cuts through UCMJ, APFT failures, Body Fat %, and RCP is just as important. I say let the first line supervisors inform the SM and help in any way possible, but a lawful/direct order shouldn't be the way.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 23 at 2014 2:29 PM

2014-04-23T14:29:47-04:00

Check out ALARACT 104/2014 if you have E-4 and below they have time to complete SSD 1 dont let your Soldiers rush it. They can be used to do OJT and CTT training instead of SSD 1 right away. The Army has discontinued PFC and below entry into WLC.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 12:44 PM

2014-04-24T12:44:49-04:00

Absolutely not.

It is not the place for command teams to "force" their Soldiers to complete the course. It is a personal responsibility incumbent upon the Soldier to complete the course if he/she wants to be competitive for promotion. If the Soldier doesn't want to complete it then they don't want promotion period. I will caveat this by saying that command teams need to foster an environment which would enable the Soldier to complete the course and encourage subordinates to take those steps. People oftentimes confuse the necessity to motivate. I fear that the only reason why people are being forced is because the completion rates are reflected on NCO/OERs. Do they sincerely care if the Soldier completes SSD and is more knowledgable or simply that it's done so they don't get it reflected negatively on their evaluations? I won't force my Soldiers to do anything, but remind them of the potential effects, consequences, and ramifications should they make certain choices contrary to the counsel I provide them.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 12:40 AM

2014-04-25T00:40:17-04:00

One of the biggest problems in my unit is that we are given several NCOES slots and can't fill them due to incomplete prerequisite SSD. The CSM with the support of the commander has directed all E1-E5 to complete SSD 1 unless they are exempt (which is the case for some of the E5s). Most of my junior enlisted are either completed or near completion. The NCOs in our BN are encouraged, but not required to complete further SSDs, because it is incumbent on the Soldier to take charge of any further career advancement. Of course, those Soldiers who want to advance to the next grade will complete the required SSD.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 6:44 AM

2014-04-25T06:44:52-04:00

Forced completion of SSDs in one of my pet peeves. It's called Structured SELF Development. That being said, I encourage Soldiers to take care of business and I counsel them on the downline effects of either completing or not completing the SSDs. If they ask for advice or help I am more than happy to provide it. And of course try to work in time/resources for those who do want to complete it, without sacrificing mission. But if they don't complete an SSD course they can't complain when they aren't able to go to WLC or be considered for promotion.

If a Soldier doesn't have the drive to develop themselves, especially when they know it is what is needed to progress, they might not be mature enough at that point in time for the next level of leadership and responsibility.

I would rather have someone who was motivated enough to do what was needed for promotion than someone who is simply eligible because they were forced to do the requirement. It's like any of the other items that gain promotion points, they know what they need to do to be the cream of the crop and they get after it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 6 at 2014 9:24 AM

2014-05-06T09:24:21-04:00

I feel that SSD is a complete waste of time. I completed SSD 1,3 and 4 within a one week period when they were available for self enrollment. There is nothing that makes soldiers have to actually try in the course. You can skip all the slides and take the test as much as you want so there is no incentive to actually learn anything from it. I feel that if the SSD tests only gave you a few chances to pass than it would motivate soldiers to actually pay attention to the training, but on the other hand how long did it take for people in your units to have a powerpoint with a screenshot of every question and answer that they could just pass around so everyone could just "Check the Bock" on SSD.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Apr 18 at 2016 3:55 PM

2016-04-18T15:55:47-04:00

Dissenting opinion: I did not Google the answers, I slogged through every bit of it, and I like learning, but this was beyond wasteful. I was a staff NCO when I completed SSD3, and while I can usually "dig in" and find something useful from just about anything, this was the most useless online training I've ever encountered.

No, I lie.

It's the most useless training I've ever done. Period.

Whoever thought of it and implemented it is secretly on Da'esh's payroll.