How does a Mulim's 'Jihadi Taqiyya' differ morally from a Christian's 'Military Deception'?

MSgt Ken "Airsoldier" Collins-Hardy — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:26:51 -0400

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 22 at 2016 3:30 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:30:00 -0400

Hey, Hey, Hey. You Picking on Me? Is this against Military Spooks Like Me and our love of using OPDEC even against our own? LOL!

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 22 at 2016 3:31 PM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:31:48 -0400

"In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies" Winston Churchill.

Response by Capt Gregory Prickett made Jun 22 at 2016 3:42 PM

Capt Gregory Prickett — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:42:15 -0400

It doesn't, but some will claim that it proves that all Muslims are evil. Those that do are often projecting.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 5:02 PM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:02:40 -0400

Taqiyya is derived from the Quran and Islamic doctrine.
Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good.
Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."
Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.
Islam spread through military action after Muhammad began his raids and eventual conquest of Mecca, so it was never inherently peaceful.

In Christianity, there is no scriptural doctrine from the New Testament which permits lying of any kind or provides martial guidance of any kind. In fact, for several hundred years, Christians were conscientious objectors to military service. It would be quite a reach to claim the historical battles mentioned in the Old Testament (the first five books of which are the Jewish Torah) and claim they're the equivalent of taqiyya. It simply wouldn't be true. Violence on behalf of Christianity didn't occur until the lines of church and state had been blurred by Constantine's adoption of Christianity as the official religion of the Roman Empire. Pragmatic politicians seeking power then began warping the religion and its hierarchy for their own purposes.
Military deception is not Judeo-Christian in origin, but rather, a military construct devoid of connection to a particular religion or culture.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2016 5:02 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:02:53 -0400

Muslim is a false doctrine and is only a facade for terrorism as stated in the law signed into affect by President Eisenhower which outlawed the entry of any muslim into the united states

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made Jun 22 at 2016 5:08 PM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 17:08:15 -0400

MSgt,
What Christian military deception are you refering?
Thank you,
Mark A. Morris BS, RDMS, RVT

Response by CPL Patrick Brewbaker made Jun 22 at 2016 7:07 PM

CPL Patrick Brewbaker — Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:07:49 -0400

I'm not allowed to lie as a Christian. my Lords name is nor the deceiver.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jun 23 at 2016 12:44 AM

CPT Jack Durish — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 00:44:24 -0400

Your question is flawed inasmuch as you can't reasonably compare a thing that exists with something that doesn't. The "ruse de guerre" is not a Christian tactic just because it was practiced by Christians. It would be like comparing Jesus and Mohammed, one a man of peace and the other a warlord.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jun 23 at 2016 11:33 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 23 Jun 2016 23:33:08 -0400

One kills adults and the other kills children, movie goers etc!