If a POG, awarded with a CAB (combat action badge), were to transfer to Infantry, would the soldier be authorized to wear the CIB?

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Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2019 2:50 PM

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No you have to be an infantryman engaged in combat with the enemy to be awarded a CIB. Said SM would wear the CAB until he engages an enemy as an infantryman

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Jun 15 at 2019 2:51 PM

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No. You have to earn the CIB while in the appropriate MOS.

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Jun 15 at 2019 3:31 PM

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No the cib is awarded to soldiers in the infantry most who are assigned to an infantry unit in combat

Response by SPC Gary Welch made Jun 15 at 2019 3:50 PM

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If you reclass to infantry work on getting your eib your cib will come in time

Response by SGT Rodrigo Contreras made Jun 15 at 2019 4:02 PM

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No. The CIB requires you to have the 11 or 18 series MOS and to be in a MTOE slot rated for that MOS conducting combat operations during the awarding period event.

So while you may have a CAB it doesn’t convert to a CIB. An 11B can be awarded CAB... for example if they are in an MOS immaterial slot supporting an HQ if they come under indirect fire on a FOB.

Response by CSM Michael Chavaree made Jun 15 at 2019 5:34 PM

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Nope, that whole POG language is a bunch of crap, we all got a job to do.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made Jun 15 at 2019 6:46 PM

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NO NOT BEING A 11 SERIES AT THE TIME PERIOD OF THE AWARD.
Next question is does he hold A 11 series 2ndary mos for the same award period.
Then mabe he can dubble dip on that one.
I have seen some Medic's from C,Co 710 FSB. Get both A CAB and CMB.
You have to love blanket orders.
Had also seen People get the CMB'S, CAB'S , CIB'S That never left Bagram Air Field.
Because A Suicide Bomber that made it passed the outer gate.
The trully sad thing about this is most of them had no clue that any thing had happed untill the next day.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Jun 15 at 2019 6:47 PM

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Nope and that is documented specifically in the AR concerning the CIB.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2019 7:27 PM

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Uhhhh, No.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Jun 15 at 2019 7:56 PM

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No. Source AR600-8-22.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2019 8:27 PM

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To beat a dead horse, no they wouldn't be automatically authorized a conversion of the CAB to a CIB. They would have to meet the eligibility criteria under their new MOS, under new conditions. Meaning, they can't use past actions under their old MOS to justify a CIB now that they were Infantry. The same goes with the many Infantry Soldiers that later transfer out.

Response by SPC Manny Managuit made Jun 15 at 2019 10:00 PM

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Hmmm so what MOS was the POG? And technically, soldier wouldn’t be a POG anymore cause soldier earned CAB right?

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jun 15 at 2019 11:22 PM

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What a silly question!

Response by MSG Frank Kapaun made Jun 16 at 2019 1:40 AM

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If your aunt had balls, would that make her your uncle?

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Jun 16 at 2019 8:47 AM

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As everyone else has said, absolutely not. And if the guy was smart, he'd just not wear his CAB at all either unless he felt like getting made fun of 24/7 about it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 16 at 2019 11:58 PM

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2019 1:49 PM

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No. Additionally, and more importantly, if an 11B with a CIB reclasses to another MOS, he/she better not try to claim authorization for a CAB.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Jun 17 at 2019 3:02 PM

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If that soldier earns 11B MOS and meets the other requirements for the CIB, yes. If not, no.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 17 at 2019 5:18 PM

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No, also the criteria is different.

Response by SGT John " Mac " McConnell made Jun 24 at 2019 8:27 AM

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The answer to that is no !

Response by Sgt Jmeans M made Jun 24 at 2019 11:54 PM

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NO, they earned the CAB, NOT the CIB, there is a lot more training involved in a CIB. A CAB is i was there.....kinda,

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2019 4:02 PM

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Why would you want to downgrade it to a CIB ? ;-)

Response by SSG Eric Eck made Jun 26 at 2019 5:49 AM

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No, you dont change your awards because you change units.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2019 10:38 AM

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Just think about the question! The answer is right there! CAB combat Action Badge, CIB Combat INFANTRY badge! You would’ve to be in combat as an Infantry soldier, just because someone shot at you while driving a truck or on guard duty don’t make you Infantry!

Response by SGT Jay Halverson made Jun 26 at 2019 10:40 AM

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As a prior wrench, it trips me out to see you embrace a term such as POG. I guess maybe it meant something different when I was in. It used to be a thing, however that thing vanished for a long time when so called "POG Units" started engaging and being engaged with the enemy. A troop is a troop, it is just some choose jobs that set them up for a good paying job when they get out....

Response by MSgt Jonathan Stump made Jun 26 at 2019 7:10 PM

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I cannot stand the word. It is RIDICULOUS. One team, one fight. I really like to hear it when it is used in the disability arena. Yeah, yee haw, you were involved in a firefight for 13 minutes, cool. The dudes in that hospital had to see ALL the carnage from the 12 firefights that went on that day. Do you really think that constantly seeing people die and come back from the brink is less effecting? Yeah, thought so.

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Jun 26 at 2019 8:24 PM

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No he did not meet the criteria just I didn’t meet the criteria for cab

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2019 6:57 AM

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H.E. double hockey sticks NO.

Response by MAJ John Moran made Jun 27 at 2019 12:19 PM

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No. Plain and simple. The CAB is the badge they where awarded. The soldier didn’t meet the criteria for a CIB at the time the award was earned. The end.

I know personally know 11 series personnel that where awarded CABs, for the reason that they where not assigned to infantry units while in theater.

The criterion for CIB is: 11 or 18 series MOS, assigned to a designated infantry or SF unit. In a designated award conflict, personally present in combat.

A non 11/18 series soldier that earned a CAB then transfers to an 11/18 series MOS has the award they have.

Response by SGT Timothy Summers made Jun 27 at 2019 12:53 PM

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I would say no. Mainly because you were awarded that while in another MOS, and not 11B. CIBs are awarded to 11Series and 18 Series. The CAB is awarded to non- Infantry types, ie; support, field artillery, armored cavalry, MPs, etc.

Response by CPL Adam Gerischer made Jun 27 at 2019 3:34 PM

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That is the distinction between the 2. One is awarded to an infantryman engaged with the enemy. The other is for any other role that was engaged in active combat.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2019 9:23 PM

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No. A CAB is very different than a CIB. First you must earn the EIB as an infantryman, then be engaged in combat.

Response by SFC Michael Hanke made Jun 28 at 2019 3:34 PM

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This is where you grab both ears firmly, pull upwards very vigorously, and wait for the pop.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Jun 28 at 2019 4:23 PM

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As I understand it, the answer is No. I believe that the soldier must be serving in an Infantry or Special Forces MOS in combat to earn a CIB. That is not retro-active, so you cannot convert a CAB to a CIB if you become an infantry soldier.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2019 3:26 AM

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No way!

Response by Sgt Joe Quesada made Jun 29 at 2019 1:21 PM

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Response by SFC Quinn Chastant made Jun 29 at 2019 2:24 PM

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I believe that the short answer is no. The Combat Action Badge is annotated as such in your 201 file. and the criteria for how it is awarded is slightly different from how a Combat Infantryman's Badge is awarded. It would be up to the Infantry Board to make a decision on equivalency and transfer of the award, and that is not about to happen any time soon.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Jun 30 at 2019 11:26 AM

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Shit, I can answer that even from being AF. Not until the gets into a fight with the enemy. Or at least near enough that everyone believes he has....

Response by MSG Tony Williams made Jun 30 at 2019 2:32 PM

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POG??? A career professional Soldier wouldn't use this term... however, your question has been answered by experienced Senior NCOs.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Jul 1 at 2019 1:28 PM

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Yes...right after he went BACK to combat and earned one as an Infantryman

Response by SFC William Ramsey made Jul 1 at 2019 1:47 PM

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The simple answer is No. The regulations for award of the CIB is you must have an Infantry MOS, be in a valid Infantry position, and have engaged or been engaged with or by the enemy. If someone with other than an Infantry MOS has been awarded the CAB, understand, that the rules for award are the same minus having the Infantry MOS. That "POG" has engaged or been engaged by the enemy. Also understand that without those "POGs" you could not accomplish your job as Infantry. Especially the Logistics, Transportation, Finance, and Administrative fields, do not ever dismiss these soldiers just because they are not infantry.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jul 1 at 2019 8:20 PM

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EIB / CIB are MOS specific.
That's why there are: Combat Medic Badges, & Combat Action Badges.
A CAB is not a POG badge.
It can also be awarded to Engineers, Tankers, and Field Artillery.
Remember your place.
Field Artillery is "The King of Battle."
As for the Infantry, oh well,everyone curtseys to The Queen, don't they?

Response by CPT Kurk Harris made Jul 7 at 2019 10:45 AM

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First, to answer the question, no. They are 2 different awards with different criteria as explained elsewhere here. Second why do you feel the need to use a derogatory term (POG) to describe a combat veteran? As a former grunt and a "POG" who earned a CAB, I find the wording of your question to be disrespectful and offensive. Off my soapbox now...

Response by LTC Mark Arnold made Jul 13 at 2019 12:53 PM

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No. Not unless he went back on another combat tour and received the CIB as an infantryman. ALSO- Only ONE of 5 awards -- CIB, EIB, CMB, EFMB, or CAB-- can be worn on the uniform at any time. A soldier could, theoretically, have 5 uniform shirts with each Badge on it, but no 2 can be worn at the same time.

Response by CSM David Draughn made Jul 18 at 2019 2:49 PM

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The Department of the Army spends millions of dollars annually printing regulations; moreover, these regulations are now available online. Additionally, I understand, the Army now has these manuals and rules available in the oral form. I thought that most people would know that once a person earns a badge or a medal, folks would know these awards become permanent. Regardless of the position, a soldier serves in a unit whether deployed to a combat zone or otherwise if said soldier earns a badge or medal, then that award becomes a permanent fixture on a soldier's uniform. I believe too many people these days are too quick to criticize others. I always thought a "pog" was one of those toy devices that kids played with and traded years ago. A "pogue" on the other hand, derived from the Marine Corps term "Pogey bait" was a person who spent their tour far behind where the action was. Furthermore, my experience, (30 years in the infantry) taught me that those who are quick to cast stones at are the very people who lived the life they attempt to condemn others probably have more than one character flaw.

The character in "Band of Brothers" who demanded that replacement soldiers remove their Presidential Unit Citations because "You weren't at Normandy" comes to mind. Neither was he. Later, this same clown, deliberately capsized a boat crossing a river to save the beleaguered British Airborne Troops initially trapped at Arnheim. This "hero" wasn't. There are too many people across this country who continuously try to claim a status that they do not deserve. I've lived by the adage my grandmother taught me from my earliest memories. "Keep your backyard clean, and let other folks worry about theirs. I would applaud combat support and combat service support soldiers who decide to join the ranks of the combats arms soldier.

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Jul 18 at 2019 3:52 PM

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Not sure of the CAB, but many years ago a Brigade Commander (06) could award the CIB in exchange for the Combat Action Ribbon (USN/USMC). The soldier had to be Infantry qualified in an Infantry command. I kept the CAR as I had the EIB.... talk about confusion. But, if an individual earned a Combat award.... they might not be a POG/REMF.

Response by SGT Gary Stemen made Jul 20 at 2019 12:24 AM

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Only if he previously had an 11A or 11B mos....

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2019 12:33 AM

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Different awards. The CIB is for those who are primarily 11-series who engage or are engaged in combat. The CMB, with restrictions similar to those of the award if the CIB, is for medical personnel. The CAB is for those who do not qualify for either, but earn it under similar circumstances. That's the short version.

Read the regulation. AR 600-8-22. You can find it on the APD website.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Aug 5 at 2019 10:35 AM

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Not knowing what a POG is I am assuming it is what we Vietnam Veterans called a REMF? iF THAT BEING THE CASE, I FEEL SURE MANY OF US WOULD TURN IN OUR CIB's.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Aug 5 at 2019 10:36 AM

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It's sort of like exchanging a NDSM for a Bronze Star.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Aug 5 at 2019 3:19 PM

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Question, being retired USAF, I have never heard the term POG. What does POG mean?

Response by SSG Scott Persson made Aug 5 at 2019 11:42 PM

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Response by SSG Scott Persson made Aug 5 at 2019 11:47 PM

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F*ck no

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2019 7:42 PM

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You should probly reword your question, maybe non combat mos......
No you will still have the original award. I hade a clerk whom was award all 3; cab, cib and a eib. He was infantry then reclassed.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2019 4:11 PM

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Hey PFC maybe you need to dig into the regulations (AR600-8-22) a little bit. Did you know that even an Infantrymen could be awarded the CAB? And for your edification I personally know SM who are not infantry to include myself who fought right alongside the infantry in both Iraq and AFG they got there CIB and we got CAB's that just how it works. Now I will say that I don't exactly agree with the requirements to get a CAB but that is my opinion and like you we are all entitled to it.

Response by SPC Anthony Martin made Aug 7 at 2019 6:23 PM

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No...he would not be authorized to wear a CIB. He would have to be qualified as a 11B and engage the enemy in order to wear the CIB...

Response by CPT George Hupp made Aug 8 at 2019 2:57 PM

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No!

Response by SPC Kerry Good made Aug 9 at 2019 1:49 PM

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Nope, be trained Infantry, assign to unit, go to war spend time seeing the elephant & maybe if you survive that you may earn the CIB. To me it means more than both my Bronze Star & my Soldiers Medal.

Response by SGT Mark Burns made Aug 9 at 2019 6:01 PM

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I have seen responses here on the word "POG", I, like many I assume served in both Combat Arms and Combat Support. I agree we are all one team, with that said I can say based on MY experience and MINE alone that Combat Arms and Combat Support are different sides of the same coin. I carried my Infantry standards into my second MOS 92A. I can tell everyone this, when I applied the same standard that was applied to me in the Infantry to the troops I was in charge of as a 92A, I was told numerous times "This is not Infantry, you are not Combat Arms, you are being to harsh" This came from my SGM. This happened when I asked a soldier to come over to me, I was ignored once, so I asked again, granted a bit more sternly and this soldier looked me in my eyes and gave me a dismissive wave and kept talking to another soldier, both Privates and me being an SGT. Now for those who are Combat Arms you can probably imagine how I reacted, I got in that solider's arse and push-ups followed. I was "unofficially" reprimanded for being to "mean" .. I can also say that the majority of my leaders appreciated my standards. Yes, we are all one team but the standards are different, very different between Combat Arms and Combat Support. Again I can only speak for MYSELF and MY OPINION.

Response by SPC Franklin McKown made Aug 10 at 2019 10:21 AM

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Then he gets the Bayonet badge not the CIB...it's only FAIR Cav gets a nifty hat after all(MANY thanks to the Vietnam pilots who created the tradition) I recall there was an effort to make a Cav version ,but WE all agree that ain't right.
THAT HAVING been said ,Cav DOES have many colored hat cords they used to use ,to honor those in a Cav unit that aren't scouts.I'm cool with all this..

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Aug 10 at 2019 3:27 PM

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No. They are separate awards. CIB is earned while engaged with an enemy force as an infantryman.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Aug 10 at 2019 4:25 PM

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No lol, but you could wear your CAB

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Aug 10 at 2019 5:37 PM

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Go easy on him, he's a PFC. CABs and CIBs are awarded by order. They are not interchangeable.

Response by SFC Tom Jones made Aug 10 at 2019 9:54 PM

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NO you have to earn the CIB and the only way you can earn it is by being combat with the enemy in other words you have to shot at the enemy and you getting shot at. I have both of them EIB/and the CIB.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2019 9:07 AM

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You are authorized to wear what you were awarded, nothing else. To be awarded a CIB you have to have engaged the enemy as an Infantryman.

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Aug 11 at 2019 5:30 PM

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No You have to be an Infantry MOS to get the CIB

Response by SP5 Jason D made Aug 11 at 2019 9:25 PM

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No. He wasn't 11 identifier at the time of the award.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Aug 11 at 2019 10:10 PM

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This is a permanent award and will appear on your ERB. Not to wear it is to be out of uniform.

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made Aug 12 at 2019 7:33 AM

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No, The soldier is authorized the CAB award, until that soldier earns the EIB or CIB.

Response by SFC Robert Brooks made Aug 12 at 2019 8:21 AM

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POG's, because some people joined the military to do more than cut grass, police cigarette butts and sweep the motor pool.

Response by SGT Kenneth Duncan made Aug 12 at 2019 9:40 AM

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If anyone is honored for something they have done, I say wear it proudly. Whose right is it to say, you can't wear that even though you earned it. Sounds like someone needs to get over their jealousy to me.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Aug 14 at 2019 5:23 AM

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No, he has to go to combat as infantry to earn the CIB. And you need to be aware there is a lot of us out here who has been Awarded the CAB.

Response by SSG Angel Fernandez made Aug 31 at 2019 12:53 AM

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Yes, he is authorize to wear the CIB. It doesn't matter what branch he came from

Response by SSG Angel Fernandez made Aug 31 at 2019 12:59 AM

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disregard my last respond

Response by SSG Angel Fernandez made Aug 31 at 2019 1:01 AM

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you need to read AR 600-8-22

Response by SFC Steven Schafer made Sep 14 at 2019 11:26 PM

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Yes.

Response by CPL Craig Donovan made Sep 15 at 2019 7:33 AM

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No, you have to be awarded CIB via combat action while in the infantry, so you could wear your CAB untill your awarded your cib then it takes precedence because CIBs are for real men

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Sep 23 at 2019 8:47 AM

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No the CAB you will continue to wear for you earned the CAB for your combat duty and not the CIB. See AR 670-1 on awarding of medals and Badges.

Response by SSG Lauro Jimenez made Sep 26 at 2019 8:05 PM

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No. Because the individual was awarded the CAB because they were not in an 11 series or 18 series mos. When the individual switches to the 11 series mos they have to ware their CAB. It's like a former Marine switching to the Army and trading the Marines combat action ribbon to an Army cib or cab, not done and not authorized.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2019 11:25 AM

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I think i lost IQ points after reading this question

Response by CW4 John Snyder made Oct 20 at 2019 1:23 AM

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Abso-frigging-luety not...

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2019 11:48 PM

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What's a POG ? LoL !!!!

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Oct 21 at 2019 1:11 AM

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Of course NOT a CIB isn't retroactive because You LATER became Infantry it is awarded only for service in Combat as an infantry soldier.

Response by SSG Martin Petersen made Oct 21 at 2019 7:29 PM

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No, CIB is mos specific.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Oct 23 at 2019 6:24 AM

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Cool! And I guess my Meritorious Service Medal becomes a Bronze Star while I'm in the Combat Zone. Who da thunk?

Response by SFC Johnny Robertson made Oct 28 at 2019 3:33 PM

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That would require you to be in direct combat with the enemy, as an Infantryman.

Response by MAJ Will Sullivan made Oct 29 at 2019 9:46 AM

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That would be a NO, Dawg! Unless regs changed recently. Wear it proudly and dont try to hide it.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Oct 29 at 2019 11:27 AM

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I want to ask all our young men and women, that are currently serving in the army.
Why did you enlist?
A: To serve your country
B: To see how many Awards and medals you can get?
It seems like I'm reading more and more on this Platform. Of individuals asking questions about the details of wearing certain medals ribbons and other awards. I'm sure everyone that has a CIB Would gladly give it back after going through the hell It took to Turn such an award. I'm sure many of you have comrades lost or severely injured with life changing injuries That no Meadow or ribbon or award could ever compensate that for. So it pains me to read about and individual asking about literally can I transfer a Award because he switch mos, I could literally feel the agitation in some of the responses and rightly so. And I'm in agreement with those that feel agitated. God-bless everyone that signed up to enlist or to become officers and Olive our armed forces let's not diminish the decision we made by haggling over , who gets to wear what kind of award.

Response by SGT Antonio Orozco made Nov 10 at 2019 6:44 AM

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Just push...

Response by SP5 Rich Levesque made Nov 23 at 2019 10:44 AM

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Seriously????

Response by SGT John Rodgers made Nov 23 at 2019 12:45 PM

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no you would have to have active combat experience as a infantryman.

Response by 1SG John Highfill made Nov 24 at 2019 5:37 PM

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I thought the CIB was for the infantry and related MOS

Response by SGM Major Stroupe made Nov 24 at 2019 8:34 PM

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No.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Nov 25 at 2019 7:13 AM

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Resisting the temptation to rag on the PFC, the short answer is no. Criteria for the CIB is pretty straightforward, an infantry MOS and contact with a hostile enemy. There were exceptions when I was in. Guys not 11B were sent TDY to under strength grunt units. If, while with these units, contact was made, a CIB could be authorized, if the unit CO issued written orders recognizing the action.

Response by SFC Robert Brooks made Nov 25 at 2019 10:59 AM

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My experience is that people that use the term POG spent most of their time sweeping the motor pool, policing cigarette butts and giving their girlfriend extra money at the strip club because tonight will be THE night she goes home with him.

Response by 1SG Leo Leal made Nov 26 at 2019 10:19 PM

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Nope. Was not infantry at the time

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 27 at 2019 9:38 AM

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Don't even wear a CAB on your uniform when you're assigned to line units.

Response by SSgt Valerie Minchew made Nov 27 at 2019 10:21 AM

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Let me just say, that there is no "silly question" when the asking individual doesn't know the answer. The silly question is the one that goes unasked for fear of being ridiculed for asking it.

Response by SFC Eldon Meade made Nov 28 at 2019 3:48 AM

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No non transferable. Orders issued for each award.

Response by SFC Eldon Meade made Nov 28 at 2019 3:49 AM

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Response by Sgt Able Snider made Nov 28 at 2019 10:58 AM

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No.

Response by COL Mike Walton made Nov 28 at 2019 1:33 PM

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NO. The CIB is earned by Infantrymen. The CAB is earned by everyone. Period.

Response by SSG Justin Keeney made Nov 28 at 2019 1:48 PM

2019-11-28T13:48:04-05:00

No, as they're two separate awards with 2 different criteria. Meaning, you'd have to deploy a an 11B and get is some shit... again.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Nov 28 at 2019 9:47 PM

2019-11-28T21:47:54-05:00

Hell no. You wear the one that is awarded to you. They are NOT interchangeable. Be careful what you call people who where awarded the CAB, I have one and trust me when I tell you that I have boots with more time on them than you have in.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Nov 29 at 2019 8:35 AM

2019-11-29T08:35:08-05:00

First, define POG. If POG means person on guard then, it depends where his or her guard duties were assigned. If the guard duties were assigned during deployment then, a CAB might be appropriate. If duties were in garrison and the garrison was located in a combat zone then, the CAB is appropriate again. Just because the soldier or officer transfers to INF doesn't mean he should lose his combat accolades. The Regulations are the best guide to answer such questions.

Response by SSG Aaron Rivera made Nov 29 at 2019 4:37 PM

2019-11-29T16:37:54-05:00

No.
CIB is for infantry only. CAB is for all other mos

Response by SPC Kerry Good made Nov 30 at 2019 2:59 PM

2019-11-30T14:59:43-05:00

Nope!

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Nov 30 at 2019 6:40 PM

2019-11-30T18:40:57-05:00

When our unit was thrown together from various units to deploy to Iraq, we had everybody. From medics to 11Bs & everything in between. We became in lieu of combat MPs. We got bounced around between who we worked with in country. Marines & Navy mostly. We all got CABs. We had our medics doing combat medic stuff while being MPs. Our 11Bs were kicking in doors. But b/c we all had the duty MOS of combat MPs, nobody got CMBs or CIBs. Just CABs. Some even tried to get up a CAR from the Navy or Marines. That wasn't happening. Some folks did get Navy medals but somehow we did not qualify for joint service awards either. It is what it is.

Response by GySgt Jim Barr made Dec 1 at 2019 12:06 AM

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It would seem that if the POG has the badge entered in his/her service record and the event can be verified as a combat action, he/she has earned the right to wear that badge.
It's very possible that he/she was placed in a position although temporary, with a unit that while there was forced to fight in defense of that unit.
I am a Marine that fought in Vietnam and was trained that each Marine is a basic rifleman regardless of MOS !!
Again, if that person's service record can verify's the action then that person should be entitled to the award.

Response by SGT Andy Jackson made Dec 1 at 2019 10:18 AM

2019-12-01T10:18:25-05:00

You know that old joke about the difference between the Boy Scouts and the Army? We're getting more like BSA every day. A badge for this, a ribbon for that. Waters everything down.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 1 at 2019 11:05 AM

2019-12-01T11:05:29-05:00

1st. If he transfers to the infantry he ceases to be a POG.

Response by SPC Daniel Killam made Dec 1 at 2019 11:08 PM

2019-12-01T23:08:19-05:00

I began as a 92Y, transferred to Infantry and earned my MOSQ prior to a deployment for OIF. I was awarded a CIB. Had I served under my 92Y MOS, under the same unit, I would have received a CAB. As I understand it, the award was created for servicemembers who would otherwise have no acknowledgment of their efforts in a combat situation.
If I were to get an ARCOM and then get promoted, would that become a bronze star?

Response by SSG Craig Collins made Dec 2 at 2019 1:04 PM

2019-12-02T13:04:50-05:00

Smh......no, just.....no.......

Response by MAJ Tracy Pim made Dec 2 at 2019 6:13 PM

2019-12-02T18:13:18-05:00

Would somebody tell me what a POG stands for??

Response by SFC Greg West made Dec 3 at 2019 6:21 PM

2019-12-03T18:21:49-05:00

You would only be permitted to wear the CAB because that is what you were awarded at the time of the service. You have to be an Infantry or Special Forces MOS to be awarded the CIB and it must be at the time of the service in combat. There is no retroactive award of a CIB. An Infantry soldier can't be awarded a CAB either for the same reason.

Response by PO1 Steve Mitchell made Dec 4 at 2019 12:31 PM

2019-12-04T12:31:08-05:00

The use of POG in this day and age is just wrong to a point. Granted, in Vietnam there were people stationed in the rear who never faced combat, got all kinds of medals and then went home without putting their ass on the line. The line doggies hated the fact that some got to live large while they slept in the mud and ate C rats. There was always that jealousy between Combat Arms and the Support units going back to the Civil War.

Response by MAJ Howard Manwarren made Dec 4 at 2019 3:46 PM

2019-12-04T15:46:41-05:00

Hey PFC, It is all fun and games with this POG shit until you need fire from an artillery battalion. Cut the infantry is god shit and rejoin the combined arms team

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2019 4:13 PM

2019-12-08T16:13:04-05:00

Negative they would wear the CAB. You only earn your CIB if you basically get into direct action with enemy forces as an 11 series or 18 series

Response by SPC Bryan Gustafson made Dec 13 at 2019 4:47 PM

2019-12-13T16:47:52-05:00

Although the act of "stolen valor" is truly disgraceful, we all have to ask ourselves where we should draw the line. I know this goes back a few years but a month or so after I left the First Special Forces Group (Airborne) in Ft. Lewis, WA (circa the Fall of 1985) a case came to light of the group chaplain who appeared to be highly decorated and it was all a farce. When this hit the newspaper in Seattle, I can remember thinking how I felt that this reflected poorly on those of in SFG(A). Although, thankfully the situation of this individual is still much more the exception than the rule.

Response by MSG Allan Davis made Dec 29 at 2019 11:09 PM

2019-12-29T23:09:27-05:00

No absolutely not. The CIB would have to be earned by the soldier as an infantryman in combat. Furthermore if he earned the CIB then he would no longer wear the CAB.

Response by CPL Merwin Stapp made Dec 31 at 2019 6:59 PM

2019-12-31T18:59:47-05:00

Not until he earned it by Infantry Standards !

Response by SGT Reggie Gates (RETIRED ) made Feb 5 at 2020 11:19 AM

2020-02-05T11:19:06-05:00

No.

Response by SPC(P) Patrick Westbrook made Feb 5 at 2020 5:06 PM

2020-02-05T17:06:32-05:00

Does your erb change from awards issued? No, the soldier got a CAB and not a CIB. If you got a CIB and went to a different mos, you would still have a CIB because that’s what was awarded to you...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2020 9:07 PM

2020-02-05T21:07:17-05:00

No.

Response by SSG Doug Terrel made Feb 6 at 2020 3:20 PM

2020-02-06T15:20:56-05:00

Private, good question for your squad leader so as to not ask a dumb question in public.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Feb 6 at 2020 6:19 PM

2020-02-06T18:19:39-05:00

Yes if the POG were in actual combat.

Response by SSgt James Bacon made Feb 7 at 2020 4:28 PM

2020-02-07T16:28:46-05:00

FU-K NO! NO FUC-ING POG GETS AN UPGRADE FROM THE COMBAT CRIERS BADGE

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2020 4:34 PM

2020-02-07T16:34:03-05:00

No lmao. You can only wear what your ERB says, high speed.

Response by Sgt Paul Baughman made Feb 7 at 2020 7:25 PM

2020-02-07T19:25:03-05:00

No. Awards don’t change like that

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2020 10:20 PM

2020-02-07T22:20:30-05:00

No he will not

Response by SFC Guy Mikesell made Feb 8 at 2020 6:24 AM

2020-02-08T06:24:00-05:00

I suppose we should examine your POG closely, huh?

What’s the likelihood your POG may be placing a tourniquet around one of your limbs? Maybe they might recover the vehicle you disabled in a firefight? Maybe they might use a paper clip to jump a connection on a radio you desperately need to call for fire. Maybe they are the POG that straightens out your pay issue. How about the POG who quickly repairs your M-4 so you can continue the good fight? What about the POG who becomes your First Sergeant who could be the difference between your probable discharge characterizations? Will your POG help you in the future to re-enlist for a sweet gig at a duty station you always wanted but couldn’t get? Will your POG be fighting for you because that’s what NCOs do? Suppose your POG becomes your ONLY eye wittiness to defend you during a court marshal? Then what? Will your POG be tasked to help your loved ones when you are called to lay down your life for your country? Will they still be a POG?

Is it our responsibility to help our fellow POGs to better themselves and help them become the best Soldier they can be? What’s your ethos? Labeling a Soldier in the US Army as a POG, is that in keeping with the best traditions and core values?

I challenge you to examine your own life and bear true faith and allegiance to your unit and your brothers and sisters in arms. Become a champion yourself to those around you who will remember you as a great Soldier and hopefully the best NCO the Army has ever seen.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2020 11:34 PM

2020-02-08T23:34:55-05:00

No, they would have to be in a 11 series unit before he is awarded the CIB

Response by SSG Steve Jackson made Feb 9 at 2020 8:54 PM

2020-02-09T20:54:43-05:00

Any Award or badge you earn you can wear (well there are one or two that you can only wear with a unit your with). As a Marine that went to the Army I do get some odd looks at my badges and ribbons, and some I had to get permission from the command to wear.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2020 9:32 PM

2020-02-09T21:32:03-05:00

No. You, he or she can only wear what you have been awarded. An award does not transform itself into a different award even if you change paths in your career.

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Feb 10 at 2020 12:48 AM

2020-02-10T00:48:25-05:00

I seriously doubt that... Its awarded to Infantry who have been in combat... In Vietnam it was given after 30 days in active combat, now I think its only a day or after the first bullet (so the already weakened the standards), I hope that they do not weaken it any more...

Response by CPT Robert Rybolt made Feb 10 at 2020 11:44 AM

2020-02-10T11:44:44-05:00

The CIB is awarded too soldiers in an infantry MOS in an infantry battalion or smaller serving in a declared hostile fire zone for at least 30 days and have had a firefight.

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Feb 10 at 2020 1:10 PM

2020-02-10T13:10:09-05:00

No, because you must hold the EIB prior to CIB. CIB is not retroactive.

Response by SFC Kurt Brunken made Feb 10 at 2020 1:11 PM

2020-02-10T13:11:46-05:00

Would also like to add that CIB, EIB and CAB all have the same special 'badge' pay and get you the same benefits at the PX, Starbucks and your future employer. :)

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Feb 10 at 2020 6:39 PM

2020-02-10T18:39:18-05:00

Short answer, no. Long answer read your Army regulations that pertain to the CIB.

Response by SPC David Giffen made Feb 10 at 2020 8:41 PM

2020-02-10T20:41:30-05:00

Only Infantry soldiers are authorized to earn CIB. The only way a POG would be able to wear one is if they where infantry at the time of CIB was earned and then later switched MOS. There was an Artillery office I served under who wore an EFMB. He waned He earned it when he was enlisted medic then went dark side. He can still wear it since he was eligible and completed the standard when he was a medic. When it comes to questions about awards the two regs you need to use are AR 670-1 which will how to wear an award, and AR 600-8-22 which talks about ellibility. I hope this helps.

Response by PO1 Wood Michael made Feb 11 at 2020 12:23 AM

2020-02-11T00:23:52-05:00

If it’s on your awards page you are entitled to wear it

Response by SGT Timothy Summers made Feb 11 at 2020 11:53 AM

2020-02-11T11:53:27-05:00

no. Because that soldier was not either 11B/ C or 18 series when it was awarded. You can wear the CAB until you see combat and are then awarded the CIB. Until then, you can wear your CAB

Response by MAJ Tom Harper made Feb 12 at 2020 12:20 PM

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Look up the MOS with the highest mortality rate during the first Gulf War. Then tell their families they were POGs.

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Feb 14 at 2020 7:39 PM

2020-02-14T19:39:39-05:00

Short answer... NO

Response by 1SG Alan Boggs made Feb 15 at 2020 10:13 PM

2020-02-15T22:13:48-05:00

A Badge is a permanent award it doesnt change because of a new MOS

Response by SSG Craig Person made Feb 16 at 2020 7:50 PM

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Response by SGT Thomas Gorgas made Feb 17 at 2020 4:20 AM

2020-02-17T04:20:09-05:00

Nope, the CIB has to be EARNED.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2020 7:14 PM

2020-02-21T19:14:38-05:00

I was a cook assigned to the 1/69th Infantry BN. I rode with the BN CO. We were engaged by the enemy in an IED/ambush. I got an CAB while the CO got an CIB. I may have been fighting like an 11B but I was not holding that MOS. So I did not deserve the CIB. I would have been honored to get the CIB but it would not have been right.

Response by CSM Patrick Durr made Feb 22 at 2020 9:28 PM

2020-02-22T21:28:17-05:00

Why would a 91 series consider himself a POG? GUESS WHAT, I spent 32 years active duty infantry. There are POGs in the infantry.

Response by SPC William Szkromiuk made Feb 29 at 2020 1:42 PM

2020-02-29T13:42:30-05:00

Ahhh yes, but to be inclusive, we should all wear what makes us happy. -:)

Isn't that what Army service is all about. GeeeeZE!

Yeah, I know I am an old fart. LOL

Thank You all for your Service!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2020 10:58 AM

2020-03-01T10:58:56-05:00

I'm a POG. No, you have to earn it. Period!

Response by 1SG Steven Borts made Mar 5 at 2020 7:14 PM

2020-03-05T19:14:12-05:00

No.

Response by SFC Carlos Gamino made Mar 7 at 2020 1:03 AM

2020-03-07T01:03:18-05:00

My first question would be, did he earn it with an infantry unit? That might answer the question.

Response by SPC Rick HUnt made Mar 7 at 2020 10:33 PM

2020-03-07T22:33:24-05:00

The simple answer here is no, not unless the soldiers was to earn the CIB in any CZ with engagement meeting CIB requirements. If the criteria was meet then yes but the CAB does not translate to the CIB different award with different ways to obtain.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Mar 8 at 2020 10:01 PM

2020-03-08T22:01:22-04:00

Keep your awards and badges. I just want my brain, heart, lungs and plumbing to work when I get old. :) Oh, still have all my fingers and toes. God bless to those of you that don't.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2020 12:57 PM

2020-03-10T12:57:41-04:00

Wear what you earn after you earn it. CAB/CIB/CMB are not interchangeable like that.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2020 5:17 PM

2020-03-10T17:17:30-04:00

Welcome to the United States Army. Please familiarize yourself with AR 600-8-22.

Response by CPL Ronnie Webre made Mar 11 at 2020 10:06 AM

2020-03-11T10:06:19-04:00

I would say yes BUT only if that person was doing patrols and working as an Infantryman for their entire tour. I was in an artillery unit but my entire tour they used us and infantry. I did many patrols, escorts, kicking in doors, etc. When getting home I transferred to an Infantry unit. To me that would be the only way, otherwise NO.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Mar 11 at 2020 8:43 PM

2020-03-11T20:43:07-04:00

If you truly want a CIB, you are starting out right, go infantry, get deployed as infantry, engage the enemy. Then you will have both the CIB and the CAB.
One question, why are you chasing after medals and badges?
The best award you can get is doing your job and getting home in one piece

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Mar 13 at 2020 9:56 AM

2020-03-13T09:56:38-04:00

If I have a girlfriend and then you and I become roommates...do I get to go out with your girlfriend?

Response by SPC Tommy Dean made Mar 13 at 2020 1:11 PM

2020-03-13T13:11:22-04:00

Only if I get to watch a college football game and win the Heisman Trophy.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Mar 13 at 2020 3:33 PM

2020-03-13T15:33:58-04:00

Response by SSG Brian Whitney made Mar 14 at 2020 11:18 AM

2020-03-14T11:18:15-04:00

Absolutely NOT.

Response by 1SG Tommy McGee made Mar 15 at 2020 12:53 AM

2020-03-15T00:53:31-04:00

As previously stated no, but calling Soldiers a POG (which simply means People Other than Grunts) because they are not infantry just shows how ignorant Soldiers are at times. You can’t do your job without the “POGs”. I did 24 years, the last 11 as a 1SG, and had pretty much every MOS you can imagine. I was Airborne and Air Assault but I didn’t go around calling 11Bs without jump wings a LEG. It don’t make you more of a man or a better soldier just because you have an 11B MOS. Do you think that the battle can be won without artillery, beans, bullets, air support, transportation to and from the battle, medics to take care of the wounded and sick??
Take a look at your fellow soldiers on the modern battle field and if you convince yourself that you don’t need them, then ETS and find a job at McDonalds because you will fail your mission and get your brothers in arms killed in battle.

Response by PO3 James Bobiney made Mar 15 at 2020 1:44 AM

2020-03-15T01:44:09-04:00

I believe they would have had to be in the Infantry unit and engaged in combat with them to earn the CIB, ie; a Medic in that scenario could earn it that way. I don't have the regs in front of me. But I think it's something like that.

Response by SGT Antonio Orozco made Mar 15 at 2020 4:45 AM

2020-03-15T04:45:23-04:00

Hell no!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2020 2:10 PM

2020-03-15T14:10:40-04:00

What the? Don't go asking those questions in a line unit.

Response by SFC John Fourquet made Mar 15 at 2020 10:05 PM

2020-03-15T22:05:06-04:00

No. He did not earn a CIB, He earned his CAB in a non infantry MOS.

Response by Maj Scott Kiger, M.A.S. made Mar 29 at 2020 3:15 PM

2020-03-29T15:15:39-04:00

Wait as a marine there is one award a Combat Action ribbon. It doesn't matter what your MOS or occupational specialty are what your job is every Marine is a Rifleman and if you are attacked and defend your position and someone takes it into their purview to write an award for the unit or individuals then they received the award which is called a car for Combat Action ribbon. I don't know what the hell they are me is thinking having multiple awards for different job occupations but I think that is ridiculous. We are all in the military and if an admin unit sitting on a fob in the middle of Afghanistan or Iraq got attacked and those service members regardless of job description defended themselves and/or their position, killed or repelled the enemy they deserve the same award as a combat unit or infantry men headed out on Direct assault! Other members often think the Marine Corps dumb God bless them for keeping it simple stupid. K.I.S.S.

Response by Maj Scott Kiger, M.A.S. made Mar 29 at 2020 3:16 PM

2020-03-29T15:16:39-04:00

Sorry my voice chat sometimes screws up my grammar and I cannot find an edit button.

Response by SPC Bryan Gustafson made Mar 29 at 2020 4:29 PM

2020-03-29T16:29:40-04:00

Am I missing something here? It used to be only 11B and 11C were authorized to wear CIB.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2020 6:54 PM

2020-04-07T18:54:16-04:00

Does not convert. Deploy and engage as an 11 or 18 series. You are now allowed both. Earned a CIB as a grunt, reclassed to EOD and earned a CAB.

Response by SGT Louie Santana made Apr 7 at 2020 9:12 PM

2020-04-07T21:12:31-04:00

You wear what you earn. Why would they give you something you didn’t earn just because you transfer infantry.

Response by SSG John Harding made Apr 8 at 2020 11:30 AM

2020-04-08T11:30:44-04:00

Infantry can call it what they want but their issue you must be in a infantry most receive a cab award my take on this if you going to make a award that is only for one group of people or mos don’t set back and call non infantry soldiers who serve in infantry units do the same tasks and get nothing because they have no infanty mos no who are the pog I went to an infantry leadership school and beat out their best nco s now who are the pigs ?

Response by MAJ Dan Rachal made Apr 15 at 2020 11:26 PM

2020-04-15T23:26:55-04:00

A soldier who won the EIB and go through the testing. His Cib would be awarded due to combat action that he be came envoled.

Response by MSgt Keith Knotts made Apr 16 at 2020 7:10 PM

2020-04-16T19:10:24-04:00

Hell no!!!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2020 11:12 PM

2020-04-26T23:12:32-04:00

No. They could still wear the CAB, but if they were to further earn the CIB, they then would have the choice as to which one they wanted to wear.
And before everyone gets all defensive. Many CIBs have been awarded to 11 series for being deployed, and lots of CABs as well. There are also lots of CABs and CIB that have been earned the hard way.

Response by Lt Col Brett Meyer made Apr 27 at 2020 3:14 PM

2020-04-27T15:14:31-04:00

In a word......yes

Response by 1SG Jeffrey Mullett made Apr 30 at 2020 4:29 PM

2020-04-30T16:29:13-04:00

The answer is NO, resounding and final.
IF, you receive a badge during conflict, and you are not 11B qualified, and in an 11B position, you are not eligible to wear a CIB. Once you are qualified as an 11B, and serve in a Combat zone, participate in Combat operations where there is OPFOR activity, you may then qualify to wear a CIB. Or you can test for the EIB.

Response by SSG Harry Tipton made May 1 at 2020 4:38 PM

2020-05-01T16:38:47-04:00

Yes, as long as he held a Combat Arms MOS i.e. Infantry Armor Arty I believe...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 2 at 2020 3:44 PM

2020-05-02T15:44:40-04:00

No, I was awarded a CAB instead of my CIB. I can’t wear the CIB Instead because I want to . Nor can I get it Changed over... ( 11B is the only MOS I hold)

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made May 2 at 2020 6:12 PM

2020-05-02T18:12:02-04:00

Short answer no. Longer answer, the CAB was awarded for a specific action. The individual wasn’t infantry at that time so they earned the CAB. But if they met the criteria after transferring to an Infantry MOS than they would rate it.

What’s funny is the amount of people on here offended by the use of POG. I served my time as a Grunt and earned my CAR. I also served as a POG in a Wing Unitafyer changing MOSs. We all have jobs to do and we all know the vocabulary used in the Military. Thicken your skin up folks

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made May 3 at 2020 7:27 AM

2020-05-03T07:27:13-04:00

Negative

Response by MAJ Glenn Smith made May 3 at 2020 9:41 AM

2020-05-03T09:41:09-04:00

How about restating the question without the defamatory and discriminatory title/tag?

Response by SSG Eric Blue made May 3 at 2020 1:48 PM

2020-05-03T13:48:55-04:00

I'm surprised this question came up. As I understand it, anyone performing infantry duties in a combat zone who actively engages the enemy after being engaged by the enemy AND IS NOT an infantryman is eligible to receive CAB, but not a CIB. If the trooper receives the CAB prior to being assigned to an infantry unit as an infantryman, they are authorized to wear a CAB, but they cannot wear a CIB until they perform infantry duties as an infantryman in that unit while in a combat zone. As an artilleryman, I was allowed to go through the horror of Expert Infantryman's Badge qualification. But I was not authorized to receive or wear it because I was not an infantryman. Similar situation with the CIB. I served on multiple deployments with different infantry units, engaging in direct conflict with the enemy, and was not authorized the CIB because I was an artilleryman and not an infantryman. Every 11 series soldier involved with the engagements I was involved in received their CIB, however. I know that this is a lot to read, but I hope your question got answered.

Response by Cpl Douglas Johnson made May 3 at 2020 5:47 PM

2020-05-03T17:47:26-04:00

Why would he/she be entitle to the CIB? Did not meet the criteria for CIB.

Response by SPC Mark Stevens made May 4 at 2020 10:46 AM

2020-05-04T10:46:19-04:00

My understanding of any and all awards is they don't change. What you were awarded is what you wear.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2020 11:43 AM

2020-05-04T11:43:26-04:00

Per regulations, both the CAB and the CIB are Tier 1 awards. And with the requirements of each, if you change your M.O.S., as the question suggests, you are not authorized to change your award. SGT(P) Duncan is correct to a certain degree, and wrong as well. To earn the CIB, you must be an Infantry soldier, or SF, and assigned an Infantry position during combat. If you come under fire that falls within the guidelines of the CIB to be awarded to you, then you may wear the CIB. If you are an Infantry soldier, but not assigned to an Infantry position and come under fire, you are awarded the CAB. I speak from experience on this one.
My first tour in Iraq, '04 to '05, I was in an Infantry unit, doing an Infantry job, and came under fire almost daily. Therefore I was awarded the CIB. On my third tour to Iraq, I was a Team Leader for a Personal Security Detail during '09 to '10. We came under fire, and because I was not assigned an Infantry position, I was awarded the CAB. Because they are both Tier 1 awards, I am only authorized to wear either the CIB or the CAB. I cannot wear both at the same time. Needless to say, I chose to wear the CIB on my uniform.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 4 at 2020 12:45 PM

2020-05-04T12:45:31-04:00

I bet that you can answer this yourself.

Response by CW4 Jeffrey Sumners made May 4 at 2020 1:58 PM

2020-05-04T13:58:48-04:00

No.

Response by Cpl Brian Escobar made May 4 at 2020 3:10 PM

2020-05-04T15:10:52-04:00

In the Corps we joke around about Pog's too but all bullshit aside.... Our Drill Instructors at Perris Island and San Diego, and our Marine Combat Training Instructors, drilled into us that EVERY MARINE: Pilot, Cook, Avionics Tech, Tanker, Admin, Journalist, Raider, Truck Driver, etc.. etc... etc... is a Rifleman 1st. For the entire branch of service is calibrated to exists and support that 0311 Rifleman busting down that door on the ground...Any Marine Male or Female is trained, fit, ready and able to put aside any specialized vocation they do, pick up a rifle, and integrate immediately into combat patrol duty...This is why there are no special combat action badges and awards in the Corps (The EGA placed in our hand in boot camp was our special award)...Just the plain and modest C.A.R...denotes that a Marine has been down range...and even that was not considered a big deal...at least mine never was...A Purple Heart or Silver Star perhaps, Navy Cross CMH Definately.... but not a feakin CAR??!!

Response by MSG Tom Yuppa made May 4 at 2020 6:19 PM

2020-05-04T18:19:38-04:00

First, why are you so worried about what others wear or will wear? Obviously he’s not one of your soldiers so I safely assume the leadership knows what awards he’s entitled to and is wearing.
Third, you can have your opinion of that soldier as a POG and but best to keep it to yourself and keep yourself squared away.
And fourth, why ask such a stupid question......if it’s that important to you then search the regulations yourself to get the answer. That’s what a smart service Krier would do. But then again, is the pit calling the kettle black if you get my drift.

Response by SFC Gordon Lamb made May 4 at 2020 8:55 PM

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PFC, you have a lot to learn about the military if you think anyone "not infantry" is a POG. I was a 19D Cav Scout for 23 years, served as a combat advisor in Afghanistan and saw my fair share of combat was awarded a CAB for those actions. I never once considered myself a POG and neither did the infantry soldiers I served with.

In answer to your question, no, they would not be authorized to wear a CIB.

Response by PFC Joshua Crawford made May 5 at 2020 11:04 AM

2020-05-05T11:04:46-04:00

Yes... You said a Combat action badge, not a Combat infantry badge. Obviously you need to be in combat and in the infantry to get the CiB, but you earned your combat action badge which is different. POG or not..

Response by SFC Clifford Brewer made May 10 at 2020 8:18 AM

2020-05-10T08:18:02-04:00

I read what each had to say about the CIB or CAB, I am sure there is a regulation alone with orders
to wear any badge if he or she service in the Army. If he or she cross over to the Air Force that is a horse of another color..when I see a officer or General displaying all his or her medals and badges
I wonder how, when and where he or she get them. I think if you was awarded the badge you can wear it..be aware someone will question about your badge....

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made May 11 at 2020 2:52 AM

2020-05-11T02:52:06-04:00

NO...… A Big NO.... Have we tarnished the Combat Infantry Badge enough.... In Vietnam you needed 30 days in combat, not you need but a few hours.... Why not put them in Cracker Jacks boxes...?

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made May 14 at 2020 8:20 PM

2020-05-14T20:20:37-04:00

NO. Not awarded CIB.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2020 3:09 PM

2020-05-23T15:09:43-04:00

What’s a POG?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2020 1:28 PM

2020-06-03T13:28:53-04:00

Bwahahahahaha, No

Response by SPC David Stowe made Jun 4 at 2020 12:18 PM

2020-06-04T12:18:36-04:00

This might be one of the goofiest questions that I have seen on here. First off, you should probably save the "POG" stuff for jokes and all around just messing with one another in a friendly way. When you use it unironically it's not a good look. Second, since you appear to be a new troop I'll invite you to go look in the 670-1 and research the answer for yourself and come back us with what you find. It would be good practice for you as junior enlisted to know how to find answered for yourself and it will be good prep for any S.O.M. , promotion boards in the future.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2020 9:10 PM

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Frankly, if said individual were to care about badges, than focus on the EIB. CIB is an acknowledgement of chance circumstances. Right place, right time. Lots of us have them. But for the award on my chest a friend of mine or 4 didn't come home. EIB speaks more to the individuals capability and proficiency at individual 11B tasks. But that's just one Infantryman's opinion, I will say I am more proud of my eib than my cib.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 5 at 2020 7:47 AM

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No. You have to be an 11b in a infantry company engaged by the enemy.

Response by PO2 Courtney Roberts made Jun 5 at 2020 12:18 PM

2020-06-05T12:18:00-04:00

I think it would have to be specifically awarded but even if it was allowed there's no way I would do it. The whole unit is going to give you s*** and lose faith in your personal morality. Seems bad.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 6 at 2020 7:52 AM

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If it is on your ERB and your not wearing it, then you are considered out of uniform.

Response by SPC John Veenstra made Jun 6 at 2020 12:46 PM

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Okay, I'm curious really don't have an opinion. I have been out of the Army for 53 years, was a draftee but volunteered for Combat duty in Vietnam. Yeah, I know I was nuts but what the hey. Mos designations were a slippery deal when I was in and I would have to haul out my DD 214 to see what the last one was. I took basic in an Infantry Division that trained and shipped to Vietnam as a Division. 9th Infantry 1967 look it up if you think I'm wrong. So I was a rifleman, then in Ait I was supposed to be a truck driver but was immediately changed to Commo. Got transferred to a transportation outfit and was a truck driver again.
Okay first question what the Hell is a POG?
Second point when I was at a firebase I was tapped to stand parade for a CIB award. It was for a Major. As they announced it the Grunt next to me who had been boots on the ground, lip deep in the crud the mud and the blood said " SOB just flew over us" he don't deserve a CIB" He is just claiming it to get a promo. With that said I don't see it as a super impressive deal. Yes you went through the hell of battle, so did a lot of other guys who don't get to wear one. I have a ton more respect for anyone who wears a Bronze star, a Silver star, a DSC or a Congressional Medal of Honor. I have known several such men and I stand small in their shadow. I know it's a thing for promotion and important to lifers. So once again what the heck is a POG?

Response by MSgt Jonathan Stump made Jun 7 at 2020 10:10 AM

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Are people still posting on this non-sense? Wow. The 4 year old's are out in force.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 7 at 2020 12:30 PM

2020-06-07T12:30:16-04:00

No. But you can keep wearing your CAB till you get one!

Response by SPC Heath Hansen made Jun 8 at 2020 6:44 AM

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Fuck no. Get that POG shit outta here. He or she has orders for a Combat Action Badge, not a Combat Infantry Badge. #STAYWOKE

Response by SPC Kevin Moon made Jun 8 at 2020 7:50 AM

2020-06-08T07:50:44-04:00

No they would still wear the cab

Response by SPC Joshua Toney made Jun 8 at 2020 2:43 PM

2020-06-08T14:43:58-04:00

Absolutely not! You must be an Infantryman and awarded the CIB to wear it.

Response by CW5 Jack Gaudet made Jun 12 at 2020 8:31 AM

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Simply - No

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 15 at 2020 9:34 AM

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First POG stand for Piece Of Garbage not Personnel Other Than Grunt as you youngsters seem to think. Personnel Other Than Grunt would be POTG not POG. That said No he was awarded a Combat Action Badge for being in Combat while holding an MOS that was not Combat Arms. To get a CIB he would have to hold an Infantry or another Combat Arms MOS. The Badge is based on Your MOS not what unit you are attached to.

Response by SFC James Welch made Jun 15 at 2020 9:36 AM

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2020 8:08 PM

2020-06-29T20:08:07-04:00

No. It doesn’t. Still want to transfer to the infantry or nah?

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Jun 30 at 2020 9:40 PM

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No. The soldier has to be in CMF 11 or 18, in the unit and in combat with the unit in order to earn a CIB. While some might find the question foolish, it's better to be certain of one's understanding.

Response by GySgt Lap Yan made Jul 10 at 2020 4:07 PM

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Marines only issue a Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) for when you ave engaged in combat whether you are a POG or not. BUT then all Marines are riflemen/women.

Response by MSG Mark Stinson made Jul 11 at 2020 8:45 PM

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Even the CIB for a time was awarded to units sorta a blanket award. I served with soldiers that were in the 82nd in Granada that carried supplies from a landing craft to shore, because they set foot on shore they were awarded a CIB. In the Nam we were issued orders for a CIB if we meet certain criteria. In country for 30 days (unless you are hit on day 2 or prior to the 30 days it would be awarded), engaged with the enemy and exchanged fire, 11B or any SF MOS. After my first significant battle with the NVA I was told that it might not get approved because we were in a RON (Rest Over Night) defensive position, but it was awarded along with a Bronze Star with V, it started out as a Silver Star but because I wasn’t wounded and not an officer it was downgraded.
So IMHO, NO, because when you are close enough to hear shots fired is not the same as having them coming in your direction.

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Jul 12 at 2020 1:11 PM

2020-07-12T13:11:07-04:00

My platoon was it's own task force. We came from armor, engineers, infantry, artillery, & even medical units & deployed as combat MPs. The CAB had first come out. The deal was that we would all get the CAB. We all did the same job despite our individual MOS's. Just think if the CAB wasn't a thing. The 11Bs would get their CIB, Engineers maybe a sapper tab, medics a CMB. The rest of us would get nothing. The Army used to make fun of the USAF with all of their bling on their uniforms but now the Army has gone crazy. I agree with others here. The Navy & Marines get a Combat Action Ribbon. That's it. It does not matter what your MOS is. If you are doing battle with the enemy, your duty at that moment is that of a rifleman.

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Jul 21 at 2020 3:36 PM

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To the best of my recollection, to be awarded the CIB, the Soldier has to have been assigned to an Infantry position on the UMR (Unit Manning Report). Additionally, I was under the impression that the Soldier should be branched Infantry. I had a battalion Commander who was Armor but in an Infantry position ( Infantry Platón Leader). Things might have changed since the Vietnam War.

Response by SFC Donald Lockwood made Jul 21 at 2020 5:13 PM

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NO! EVEN if you had an 11B mos and was assigned to a non infantry MOS during combat action, after 9/11 or before 9/11, wouldn't happen. 3 AR requirements are needed for awards of CIB.

Response by SGT Reggie Gates (RETIRED ) made Jul 21 at 2020 6:46 PM

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All. Reference AR 600 -8-22 Military Awards for the specific criteria for a CAB and CIB.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 8:12 PM

2020-07-21T20:12:25-04:00

All you have to do is read the regs dealing with the qualifications for various badges and medals. Too easy, especially for those who are always attached to their phones.

Regarding a PFC's use of the term "POG:"
1.) If you haven't deployed to an actual combat zone, you don't get to cast shade on others who have, possibly several times.
2.) Be careful who you insult.... (See the picture)

Response by CSM Bob Stanek made Jul 22 at 2020 9:19 AM

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No, the "POG" as you so reference (why the name calling? isn't a soldier just a soldier?), would have to earn the CIB as an infantry soldier outright. The CAB is a separate badge, plus he could not wear both at the same time.

Response by SGM Jeff Bullard made Jul 22 at 2020 6:09 PM

2020-07-22T18:09:50-04:00

Short answer: Hell No!

Response by CPT Jeff Wright made Jul 22 at 2020 9:14 PM

2020-07-22T21:14:03-04:00

20th sf group

Response by SFC Thomas Taylor made Jul 23 at 2020 1:22 PM

2020-07-23T13:22:39-04:00

No and when I was in we were all a TEAM.

Response by SFC Art Campbell made Jul 25 at 2020 11:09 AM

2020-07-25T11:09:34-04:00

If this individual did not engaged hostiles in combat with the infantry unit he is assigned to, then no!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2020 5:09 PM

2020-07-25T17:09:25-04:00

If only there was a book or regulation that could answer suck questions.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jul 26 at 2020 3:53 AM

2020-07-26T03:53:40-04:00

Of course NOT, You don't get a CIB unless You Yourself served in the combat zone as infantry. The fact You became Infantry after the fact doesn't change anything. Until You serve a War as infantry and are awarded a CIB don't even think of wearing one!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2020 5:57 PM

2020-07-26T17:57:52-04:00

Yes, when he earns it. You can't trade one for the other.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2020 8:21 PM

2020-07-26T20:21:37-04:00

Your awards don't change because you go to a new unit.
Would you wear a CAB if you had a CIB and went to another MOS?

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Jul 26 at 2020 9:26 PM

2020-07-26T21:26:29-04:00

What is a POG?

Response by LCpl Stephen Castaneda made Jul 26 at 2020 11:02 PM

2020-07-26T23:02:45-04:00

Once you are awarded the CAB you are entitled to wear it forever. You would have to be awarded the CIB to wear it. You may not wear it unless it has been awarded to you.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Jul 27 at 2020 7:19 AM

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Quick answer, no. When I was in-country, non-airborne qualified replacements were assigned to the 82nd and 101st Airborne. They wore the shoulder patch, but that didn't mean they were authorized to wear jump wings too.

Response by MSG Raymond Fauset made Jul 27 at 2020 8:35 AM

2020-07-27T08:35:29-04:00

I agree CSM Hayden!! Does he not even know what POG stands for??

Response by SGT William R Rawlings made Jul 29 at 2020 1:21 PM

2020-07-29T13:21:19-04:00

Sure after he is in Combat with an enemy force

Response by CW2 Kenneth Hudak made Jul 30 at 2020 10:29 AM

2020-07-30T10:29:21-04:00

I don’t know if I can take anymore of rallypoint.com.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 30 at 2020 6:43 PM

2020-07-30T18:43:17-04:00

No. You earn what you earn. Even as an 11B that soldier will still be allowed to wear the CAB until they earn a CIB and then I believe it’s up to them but you can only wear one type of combat badge at a time

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Jul 31 at 2020 12:09 PM

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Byron Skinner. Back in the day to qualify for a CIB besides being in the field and engaging in hostile fir you had to be an 11B MOS by completing Infantry AIT. EMs 11B’s through SStg. E-6 qualified and officers through and including 01,02 & 03’s In short you were to have engaged in Infantry Combat as a member of a rifle squad for EM’s or as a Platoon Leader or a Company Commander. At the end of the Vietnam war a lot of CIB’s were recalled as wee as a truck full of Bronze Stars for combat that the individual was never involved in as an Infantryman. The only qualifying MOS’s were 11B and 11C (Dismounted mortar) and in some instances 11H (recoilless rifle Dismounted) In may units this policy was not enforce and every Cook, Company Clerk and Mechanic sported a CIB. The CIB was established in early WW II to distinguish the Infantryman who had been engaged in Combat from other soldiers. I guess the popularity of the award is so high that the non Infantry are jealous, but we never saw these guys in a fire fight. I’m proud to be a second generation in out family to have qualified and was awarded the CIB. My late got his in western France January 1945 at the Comer Pocket in the Vogue Mountains, as a member of K Company 3/409 Infantry 103 Infantry Division.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Aug 27 at 2020 7:48 AM

2020-08-27T07:48:08-04:00

A POG with a CAB is no longer a POG.

Response by PVT Rocky Susshine made Sep 17 at 2020 7:15 PM

2020-09-17T19:15:26-04:00

POG? Sorry POG docent ring a bell.

Response by SFC James Himes made Sep 20 at 2020 12:05 PM

2020-09-20T12:05:23-04:00

So I have been out for 20 years....I knew of the EIB and CIB....what is a CAB?

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Sep 20 at 2020 10:40 PM

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Astonishing that people ask such questions easily answered by referring to the relevant regulations
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Proof that there actually are stupid questions. To win a CIB requires having an Infantry MOS assigned to an infantry unit, in an infantry MOS.The CAB is awarded to other than infantry soldiers to put recogn0<h0⁰

Response by SFC Dean Allen made Sep 21 at 2020 7:13 AM

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This question has a simple answer. If any soldier has orders awarding something, he wears it; if not he does not.
If he engages in combat, as an infantryman, in the future, he can earn a CIB. I got out before the CAB was created, so I do not know if a soldier earning both (at different times in his career) could wear both on his uniform. I am sure there is an AR that addresses that subject too.

Response by SSG Jeremy Howard made Sep 21 at 2020 8:55 AM

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AR 670-1 is required for the correct answer to this question. Yes the non combat MOS Soldier who arrives as a non Infantry Soldier can wear the CAB if earned, He or she would have a lot more respect in the Infantry unit, if said person was to earn the EIB they hold more prestige in the Infantry Units in my Eyes. Takes a little more effort to earn it than a CIB. CIB can be awarded for just showing up in Combat I have seen this personally.

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Sep 21 at 2020 11:15 AM

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Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Sep 25 at 2020 3:11 AM

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No a CIB can only be earned by an Infantry solder serving in a combat zone for a given amount of time. The COB does not transfer over to the CIB just because you transfer or join a Infantry Unit. Me myself I qualified for and earned and EIB, while on active duty. I would still have to wear the EIB until i served the time in a combat zone with an Infantry Unit doing an Infantryman's duties before I would qualify for a CIB.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2020 9:33 AM

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Isn't there an admin on this site that can add a "look in the regulation button"?
The questions I see on this site are ridiculous.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Sep 25 at 2020 9:45 AM

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Meanwhile in other breaking news at the Outhouse Legal Services LLC, PVT Snuffy wants to know how many Commanders coins does he need to cash in for an ARCOM? Answer after the 9:00 AM formation. Seriously, that will never happen. To wear Infantry stuff, you need to be one first, not after the fact.

Response by MSG John Duchesneau made Sep 26 at 2020 2:25 AM

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No. You can only get the CIB by serving in an Infantry unit in an Infantry MOS.

Response by LTC Scott Sossaman made Oct 7 at 2020 3:49 PM

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Why is it that a PFC calls someone with a CAB a POG? Combat Arms personnel are awarded the CAB because many of us fought as provisional Infantry. Ask that question again when you have been in the Army a while longer than AIT.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Oct 27 at 2020 5:55 AM

2020-10-27T05:55:48-04:00

Good Question . And i have No absolute answer . But like every one i have an opinion . No not till they have become infantry and met the requirements as an infantryman . But they can wear their CAB .

Response by 1SG Ernest Stull made Oct 27 at 2020 2:36 PM

2020-10-27T14:36:49-04:00

No .

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2020 6:33 PM

2020-10-27T18:33:29-04:00

No, you wear what awarded doesn't transfer to something else

Response by SGT Joseph Alanzo made Oct 27 at 2020 10:22 PM

2020-10-27T22:22:28-04:00

as long as he/or she have the right papers orders

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Oct 30 at 2020 7:03 AM

2020-10-30T07:03:54-04:00

I would hope not. Your awards represent a moment in time.

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Oct 30 at 2020 2:39 PM

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Response by SP5 Richard Welch made Oct 30 at 2020 5:24 PM

2020-10-30T17:24:39-04:00

What is a POG ?

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Oct 30 at 2020 5:32 PM

2020-10-30T17:32:42-04:00

Negative

Response by SGT Joseph Dutton made Oct 31 at 2020 8:17 PM

2020-10-31T20:17:54-04:00

The receiving command would either transfer the CAB to the CIB or not to transfer.

Response by SPC Frank Fasano made Nov 4 at 2020 3:43 PM

2020-11-04T15:43:52-05:00

PFC, Do you have too much free time? I think that you could answer this question all by your lonesome. Come on the answere is simple it starts with an N and ends with a O.. I am not speaking about Mount Nyiragongo. Have a great day Kid.

Response by SGT Duane Cohens made Nov 11 at 2020 7:21 AM

2020-11-11T07:21:30-05:00

Uh, that would be a big fat NO!!!

Response by MSG Chuck Pewsey made Nov 15 at 2020 3:10 AM

2020-11-15T03:10:19-05:00

Ya gets to weatr what they give ua

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Nov 18 at 2020 5:15 PM

2020-11-18T17:15:52-05:00

NO. They are two different badges and have different criteria for their being awarded. Another example would be the Infantry cord. Unless you are in an infantry unit with an 11 series MOS fiekld you cannot wear the infantry cord,

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Dec 15 at 2020 6:59 PM

2020-12-15T18:59:26-05:00

Please reread the names of the badges.

Response by SSG Roland Shelton made Dec 28 at 2020 12:40 AM

2020-12-28T00:40:25-05:00

No.

Response by COL Jeff Del Fuoco made Jan 1 at 2021 7:57 AM

2021-01-01T07:57:24-05:00

No, Private.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2021 10:50 AM

2021-01-14T10:50:39-05:00

Perhaps you could get your squad leader or next line NCO to walk you through the regs. You can do yourself and the rest of us by starting here: https://armypubs.army.mil/

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Response by SSG Thomas Monds made Jan 18 at 2021 9:47 PM

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Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Jan 18 at 2021 10:06 PM

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Not relevant to the question, but I DESPISE the term POG. I my day, it meant "piece of garbage." Any soldier (or other service member) who rates that term should be getting chaptered. Are you really referring to a REMF?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2021 11:04 PM

2021-01-19T23:04:30-05:00

Absolutely NOT!!

Response by SGT Roland Sharpe made Jan 20 at 2021 2:43 AM

2021-01-20T02:43:08-05:00

“POG” is a slang term and no. That’s a big “hell” no.

Response by LTC Charles Patchin made Jan 20 at 2021 8:25 PM

2021-01-20T20:25:22-05:00

NO. Read criteria for CIB

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2021 9:58 AM

2021-01-22T09:58:44-05:00

LOL. Nope.

Response by SSG Sidney Galloway made Jan 27 at 2021 8:04 PM

2021-01-27T20:04:32-05:00

A POG is a POG, until that 78 GT score "grunt" pours gasoline into a diesel generator. Until he runs his/her HMMWV without oil or gets a hot meal after a week of MREs. No. He can't.
Googling "How does me look up rules for Army awards" helps.

Response by SGT Harold Ball made Feb 3 at 2021 5:15 PM

2021-02-03T17:15:18-05:00

No.

Response by CPL Stephen Souther made Feb 20 at 2021 7:47 AM

2021-02-20T07:47:16-05:00

The term POG makes me warm and fuzzy inside. Y'all can talk about CIBs while the Sappers make the way safe for you to earn them shineys. Essayons.

Response by SPC Chris Ison made Feb 22 at 2021 12:25 PM

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No.

The term POG, is a Marine term, the Army may have tried to co-opt it, but it is a Marine term. It is used to distinguish the fact that even though every marine is a rifleman, not every marine is Infantry. The Navy and Marine Corps do not have the CIB, they have the combat action ribbon, which is NOT restricted by MOS.

The equivalent Army term is REMF, rear echelon motherfucker.

The CIB was never meant to be infantry specific, as the MOS and career field of infantry did not exist in the Army at the time of its creation. And tanks were infantry support units back in the day. It was more about the unit formation than MOS.

Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Mar 17 at 2021 11:47 AM

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Response by SP5 Craig Sultana made Mar 18 at 2021 2:13 AM

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N/A

Response by SP5 Craig Sultana made Mar 18 at 2021 2:14 AM

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N/A

Response by MSG Leamon Ratterree made Mar 18 at 2021 4:13 PM

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No. Read the criteria:
AR 600–8–22 • 5 March 2019
Page 105
Paragraph 8–6.
b. (1) (a) A Soldier must be an Army infantry or SF officer (CMF or AOC 11 or 18) in the grade of COL/O–6 or below, or an Army enlisted Soldier or warrant officer with an infantry or SF MOS who, subsequent to 6 December 1941, has satis-factorily performed duty while assigned or attached as a member of an infantry, ranger, or SF unit of either a brigade, regimental, or smaller size during any period such unit was engaged in active ground combat
(b) (2)
Be assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat.

Page 106
(a) A recipient must be personally present and under hostile fire while serving in an assigned infantry or SF primary duty, in a unit actively engaged in ground combat with the enemy. The unit in question must be a brigade, regiment, or smaller size. For example, personnel possessing an infantry MOS in a rifle squad of a cavalry platoon in a cavalry troop would be eligible for award of the CIB. Battle or CPC alone is not sufficient; the unit must have been in active ground combat with the enemy during the period.

Response by SGT Jacob Smith made Mar 18 at 2021 4:27 PM

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Nope. It is its own award. But if they were deployed as Infantry and were in combat they would then be awarded the CIB as well.

Response by SGT Jacob Smith made Mar 18 at 2021 4:28 PM

2021-03-18T16:28:38-04:00

Nope. It is its own award. But if they were deployed as Infantry and were in combat they would then be awarded the CIB as well.

Response by SFC Shawn Warren made Mar 18 at 2021 9:19 PM

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PFC Jomel-Michael Baysa II very good question. I appreciate your sense of duty and honor in the since that you are seeking to apply the understanding of applicable AR's concerning awards.
To the quick. No.
Because the criteria set for the CIB and the CAB are different. See AR 600-8-22, CH 8, Sec 2, CIB = 8-6, Pg. 96 a., (1)(2)(3)(4)(5)(a)(b) and so on.
CAB = 8-8 Pg. 101 a., b., c. (1)(2)(3)(4) and so on.
AR-670-1 will let you know how to wear any badge you rate on your uniform.
Finally SPC, you might be a Person Other Than A Grunt (POG) but all 11B's know "One Team One Fight!"
V/R
SFC Shawn Mark Warren, USA, RET.
Antrorsum Hostium and Semper Prorsum!
Front Toward The Enemy and Always Forward!

Response by Sgt Able Snider made Mar 19 at 2021 5:49 PM

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Nope

Response by GySgt Richard Harig made Mar 20 at 2021 1:54 PM

2021-03-20T13:54:47-04:00

That very situation happened when I went from a non-infantry MOS in the USMC to an 11B in the Army National Guard. I received a Navy Achievement Medal with "V" and Combat Action Recognition (CAR) for serving as a Machine Gunner in the unit's Provisional Rifle Company - 25 combat patrols up to 5-day duration and service in an action with NVA during Tet 1968. O went to Infantry (Mech) unit in Guard and found that the regulations for CIB included (1) 11B MOS and assignment to an infantry unit at the time of the action.

Response by SGT Robert Leandro made Mar 21 at 2021 1:38 PM

2021-03-21T13:38:03-04:00

Everyone so interedted in getting recognition, many for simply being there! I served 1 year in Iraq and the worse thing I saw was officers who never left the FOB wanting to put thmeselves in for bronz stars while denying troops that actually were involved in gunfire exchange the proper awards/metals...I personally find many of them meaningless when every Dick, Tom and Harry get one for just doing their regular job!
Seems to me the NEW military is more concerned with awards then they are with ethics, morals and commitment to real service! Many more concerned with making rank then thinking what it means to take on the higher rank! (To whom much is given, Much will be required!) Before worrying about when you get the next rank or award, be concerned about whether or not you have what it takes to SERIOUSLY take on the responsibilities that come with the title and rank!
That is why I wish the military would simply go back to have positions that allows someone to grow in proficiency and position in a field without necessarilly having to take on a leadership position to simply get more pay! Not everyone has the skills or desire to be in an leadership administrative position...some just like doing the hands on of whatever their MOS might be!
I believe it the miliutary learned to honor and respect people on their skills and allow them to grow and make a livable career in what they are most proficient, we would be able to have a far more proficient military that could afford to be more selective on who they enlist!

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Mar 22 at 2021 4:48 PM

2021-03-22T16:48:27-04:00

At first I wasn't going to respond to this but since I am now, If this POG has a CAB, this means he doesn't have an 11 series MOS. That being said, if the POG changes the MOS to an 11 series, that DOES NOT MEAN the POG gets to wear the CIB UNLESS, the POG is SERVING in a COMBAT THEATER WHILE IN said 11 SERIES MOS.

Response by PO2 Paul Dempsey made Mar 23 at 2021 10:46 AM

2021-03-23T10:46:36-04:00

If he/she earned it whats the issue. You should be proud of anything you've earned. As a soldier you should respect another soldier until proven not worthy not assumed not worthy.

Response by CPT Keith Celebrezze made Mar 23 at 2021 10:50 AM

2021-03-23T10:50:39-04:00

No. One of the requirements of the CIB is that the soldier is assigned to the infantry branch.

Good luck.

Response by SPC Dennis Kregel made Mar 24 at 2021 1:43 AM

2021-03-24T01:43:31-04:00

1st off I would comment of the term "POG" especially when it comes from a service member with an MOS that would him firmly in the middle of that group. However the answer to you question is NO. Look at it this way, let's a convoy is rolling out to a FOB. On the way it gets ambushed and a firefight breaks out. It gets intense and lasts 30 minutes. All 11 series Soldiers in the convoy would earn a CIB, any non 11 series would earn a CAB unless they were in the medical field where they would earn a CMB all for being in the same engagement.

Response by SGT Timothy Posemato made Mar 24 at 2021 8:53 AM

2021-03-24T08:53:49-04:00

I don't personally think it's a silly question, especially from a young PFC wheeled vehicle mechanic. He doesn't know infantry, or the award system of the army. Remember, there's no such thing as a stupid (or silly) question. I learned that in the Army

Response by SSG Douglas Espinosa made Mar 25 at 2021 8:53 AM

2021-03-25T08:53:10-04:00

No, you would continue wearing a CAB until you earned a CIB (then you get the choice on which to wear) You would also have to be assigned to an Infantry position performing Infantry duties to earn the CIB. Check AR 600-8-22. https://armypubs.army.mil/ProductMaps/PubForm/Details.aspx?PUB_ID=1003738

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Response by SGT Frank-John Limiero made Mar 28 at 2021 12:52 PM

2021-03-28T12:52:14-04:00

If he earned a CAB he should wear it. As for a CIB he must earn that before he could wear that.

Response by SSG Charles Neathery made Apr 15 at 2021 12:30 PM

2021-04-15T12:30:00-04:00

Funny,... Really ? OF COURSE NOT !

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2021 12:33 PM

2021-04-15T12:33:21-04:00

Nope. I have an infantry e5 in my platoon who was literally attached to some engineers on a deployment to Iraq and since he was attached to them (even though he was 11b), he got a CAB, not a CIB.

Response by SGT Jay Holland made Apr 16 at 2021 4:35 PM

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Response by COL Robert Gilbert made Apr 16 at 2021 11:34 PM

2021-04-16T23:34:18-04:00

I really dislike the term POG. It is very disrespectful to a soldier that is performing his or her assigned duty.

Response by SPC Brian Romine made Apr 17 at 2021 12:56 PM

2021-04-17T12:56:56-04:00

Slightly different topic but this raised a question in my head. The CAB didnt exist when I was in but let use this same soldier. Could said soldier wear an EIB and a CAB at the same time? I know back in the 90s if you had EIB & CIB you wore the CIB as it is the higher award. Just curious how that would work.

Response by SGM Csm Brazil made Apr 18 at 2021 9:23 PM

2021-04-18T21:23:05-04:00

according to the current army regs. he would not be eligible for the cib. that is awarded to the individual who is in the correct mos and serving in a line infantry unit
for example if a soldier was awarded the cab and was then xr to say a infantry unit and his mos was related to the infantry and he was involved in combat actions, then he would be eligible to wear the cib and the cab.

Response by CPL Matthew Cervantes made Apr 19 at 2021 10:33 AM

2021-04-19T10:33:27-04:00

The Combat Infantry Badge and the Combat Action Badge have similar, yet very distinct requirements. Just because you have qualified for one, it does not directly translate to the other.

The CIB has always been awarded to members of the infantry or Special Forces for active ground combat engagement.

As our military began to get a clue the that other areas have been actively engaged by hostile forces, the Combat Medic Badge was developed for the medical corps (outside of Special Forces medics who qualify for the CIB) after they realized there are times when medics are engaged by the enemy, or they must provide treatment while under fire.

The CAB is awarded to MOSs that are actively engaged by the enemy. Albeit, there have been some who should qualify for this award who have not, or never will receive it. This is due to the military being slow to realize that regardless of MOS, any service member has the potential of being "actively engaged with hostile forces in ground combat". Our military seems to still believe there is a front line, or our enemies differentiate between MOSs. What they should do is develop a generalized Badge for "active engagement against hostile forces" and stop creating a MOS caste system.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2021 11:28 AM

2021-04-19T11:28:31-04:00

HA NOOOOOOOPPPE

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Apr 19 at 2021 10:20 PM

2021-04-19T22:20:34-04:00

No..You see the difference in the wording. COMBAT INFANTRY BADGE is awarded to the infantry. Combat action badge is awarded to other mos's

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Apr 19 at 2021 10:26 PM

2021-04-19T22:26:34-04:00

And so you know this is not to disrespect others in combat situations. The infantry is trained to be out in front and take the fight to the enemy. The CIB is an honor shared by those on the front lines.

Response by Sgt Michael Swigert made Apr 21 at 2021 12:54 PM

2021-04-21T12:54:27-04:00

even though this is an army question, i think you should be ashamed for using the pejorative term POG. But since one is called a action badge, and the other infantryman, i would quess no.

Response by CSM Jim Corrin made Apr 21 at 2021 8:38 PM

2021-04-21T20:38:02-04:00

No. The soldier earned a Combat Action Badge NOT the Combat Infantryman's Badge.

Response by SSG Roy D. made Apr 22 at 2021 1:06 PM

2021-04-22T13:06:26-04:00

No, because they were not in an MOS authorized to be awarded the CIB at the time of the award.

Response by MSG Antwine Marshall made Apr 23 at 2021 3:21 AM

2021-04-23T03:21:22-04:00

I'm sure this didn't go the way that he hoped it would. Well, you just received your 15 minutes of fame. Just quit while you're behind.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2021 1:18 PM

2021-04-24T13:18:50-04:00

No Private. Go look up the AR on awards before asking questions like these.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2021 3:00 PM

2021-04-24T15:00:07-04:00

Ha, that's a great question. No. Please don't try to it or try to justify it either when you do go 11 series. Wear your CAB until you get a CIB.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2021 9:25 PM

2021-04-25T21:25:24-04:00

This is kinda like asking if you have airborne and then go from 82nd to 101st and asking if you change your wings without going to the other school.

Response by Sgt Rene Ortix made Apr 27 at 2021 3:16 PM

2021-04-27T15:16:11-04:00

No the POG, is only authorized to wear th CAB- CAR(Navy). POG will be authorized to wear the CIB when s/he meets the requirements and awarded- Ribbon/medal- to wear.

Response by SSG Richard Brue made Apr 28 at 2021 2:47 AM

2021-04-28T02:47:57-04:00

He keeps the one he earned.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2021 12:41 AM

2021-04-29T00:41:57-04:00

This question requires 3 brain cells you dont apparently have.....no it does not become a CIB

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2021 7:48 AM

2021-04-29T07:48:57-04:00

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made May 2 at 2021 9:08 PM

2021-05-02T21:08:22-04:00

The requirements are different. Don't get caught up in the CAB/CIB stuff! You'll just get in trouble!

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made May 2 at 2021 9:40 PM

2021-05-02T21:40:31-04:00

Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Jul 3 at 2021 2:20 AM

2021-07-03T02:20:58-04:00

No. Different awards for different things, young soldier. Someone I was involved in hiring was the first person I'd met with a CAB and when I said, "That's interesting and impressive" she basically denied doing anything more interesting than not getting shot when the Iraqis attacked her hardened and well guarded logistics operating site. Said something about sitting under her desk with M9 drawn...now, that sort of crack is pretty common among people who get those awards for a reason besides proximity and MOS. Knowing her as I do, I suspect so. But to receive a CIB requires being awarded it for operations in an Infantry MOS in an Infantry Unit during combat operations.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2021 5:53 AM

2021-07-03T05:53:49-04:00

First PFC, tell me where POG is defined.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2021 9:54 AM

2021-07-03T09:54:24-04:00

The question has been answered several times over so I'll respond with a question of my own...

Is the Soldier trying to do this or are you trying to make sure the Soldier can't do it as a way to further demean their previous MOS?

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 3 at 2021 1:10 PM

2021-07-03T13:10:01-04:00

The idea of a CIB being awarded to a POG is repulsive. I was working as a forward Observer in Vietnam and awarded the CIB twice. Both were cancelled because I had an Artillery MOS. No harm done, I have forgotten all about it

Response by SSG David Angell made Jul 3 at 2021 4:53 PM

2021-07-03T16:53:42-04:00

NO. You have to be 11B at the time of the award.

Response by Sgt Dan Baughman made Jul 3 at 2021 5:46 PM

2021-07-03T17:46:54-04:00

I dont know why you younger people are so worried about you this badge. When we came back from the Nam we were just glad to be alive. That ribbon didnt mean a hill of beans to me. We just wanted to make sure the newbes had their shit together. It wasnt something that you wore as a hey look at me. Im better than you newbe. Semper Fi to all my 0311 brothers. Rant over.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2021 3:48 PM

2021-07-04T15:48:52-04:00

Choke yourself.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Jul 4 at 2021 7:01 PM

2021-07-04T19:01:09-04:00

No. CIB is awarded based on MOS AND level/unit of assignment. An infantryman 11B who was assigned to Division staff who saw combat action would not be eligible for a CIB because eligibility requirements state he must be in an infantry assignment at brigade level or lower. Same with medics and the CMB. They must be in medical slots in a combat arms unit at brigade level and lower. So medics assigned to a CSH or division/corps level MSMC who get attacked also do not qualify for a CMB. Both examples would qualify for a CAB. And CABs cannot be traded in for a CIB or CMB.

Response by CSM Bob Stanek made Jul 4 at 2021 10:01 PM

2021-07-04T22:01:34-04:00

SPC Jomel-Michael Baysa II First off, the answer to your question is simply NO. You can not transfer a CAB for a CIB badge although they have the same classification. Plus if you earn the CIB after earning a CAB, you can only wear one, and most military and especially infantry soldiers will tell you that the CIB is a FAR MORE VALUBLE badge then the CAB even as they are classified the same. In the past, earning a CIB was considered one of the highest forms of recognition for combat experience. Still is to some extent today.

But the more pressing issue is the use of the term POG. Obviously, it generally references to people who work their primary military jobs "inside the security of the base perimeter" versus the infantry "grunt" who supposedly works in the field outside the base perimeter. The term has been around for decades with its originals supposedly developed during the Vietnam area and all the base camps that existed, similar to what we saw over the past twenty years in Iraq and Afghanistan.

My personal concern revolves around the issue of naming "people" based on where they serve and what they do, versus the value that said soldier brings to the "game". Let me list you just two simple examples which I'm familiar with: Military Police and Engineers. You have Combat Escort MPs who drive the roads protecting convoys and keep the routes clear of traffic, they work outside the fence and have the capabilities to earn CAB, where as a MP working base perimeter security or EPW/CI detention cell at a base, might never get the opportunity to earn the CAB given their position.
For Engineers, you have the combat engineer who works route clearance patrols and blows shit up inside and outside the perimeter, while the construction engineer builds the base (sometimes from scratch) usually has a perimeter to work inside of (most of the time). So are they POGs just because of what they do?

My recommendations is to lose the "terms' when describing military personnel as all military personnel deserve respect (OK, maybe the Navy is questionable at best, while the Air Force is nothing more than a cozy country club membership at the worse of times. Just kidding Sailors and Air Force personnel.) BUT THE MARINES AND COAST GUARD Rock ON. GO ARMY, BEAT NAVY & AIR FORCE! The Space Force gets a pass for the time being as they are still less than 100 strong and don't have their space legs under them as of yet. I'll give them two years to get up to speed before insults come forth.

Just some food for thought...
Respectfully
Bob S

Response by PO1 Michael Brouty made Jul 5 at 2021 5:48 PM

2021-07-05T17:48:32-04:00

Define "POG" ? I served on the ground in Iraq two tours. These Army types that throw the term POG around disparage fellow Iraq Iraq Vets from Camp Anaconda and Baghdad. They usually sound like idiots. The last Infantry Veteran I met who liked saying " POG" all the time, never set foot in Iraq, never even left Kuwait. STFU.

Response by SGT Mark Vandolah made Jul 5 at 2021 7:55 PM

2021-07-05T19:55:52-04:00

I have both CIB and a CAB. I wore my CIB with pride paired with my 2ID combat patch. When I reclassed to MP I was awarded a CAB with a 42MP brigade patch. I will tell you now that both times was a firefight and there was no difference between the two. If you decide to wear the CAB in a Infantry unit you may get alot of push back but dont let grunts discredit your experience. Very soon here we will be in peace time and those who are still in the Army will have those CABs/CIBs and will stand out

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2021 9:26 PM

2021-07-06T21:26:33-04:00

No.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 11:40 AM

2021-07-07T11:40:27-04:00

Rule #1, when in doubt read the regulation. AR 600-8-22 MILITARY AWARDS sets the criteria for awarding of awards. Each award is unique and they don't cross over.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 11:45 AM

2021-07-07T11:45:13-04:00

Rule #1 in the military, if you have a question then read the regulation. AR 600-8-22 is MILITARY AWARDS. Each award is unique and non-transferrable, you have to meet criteria.
8–8. Combat Action Badge
a. On 2 May 2005, the CSA approved the creation of the CAB to provide special recognition to Soldiers who personally engaged, or are engaged by, the enemy. The CAB is intended to serve as a companion to the CIB and CMB to recognize the greatly expanded role of non-infantry Soldiers in active, ground combat.
b. The requirements for award of the CAB are branch and MOS immaterial. Assignment to a combat arms unit or a unit organized to conduct close or offensive combat operations, or performing offensive combat operations, is not required to qualify for the CAB. However, the CAB is not intended to recognize Soldiers who simply serve in a combat zone or imminent danger area. Battle participation credit alone is not sufficient; the unit must have engaged or been engaged by the enemy

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 5:43 PM

2021-07-07T17:43:31-04:00

Are you said POG? Strange question.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2021 9:21 PM

2021-07-07T21:21:45-04:00

Hell no! Anyone asking this question is also a POG because they would know if they were Infantry. You MUST be 11-series and engaged in combat. No other MOS, except maybe 18's are even allowed to wear it. Read a manual on the wear and use of military combat awards.

Response by CPL Joseph Elinger made Jul 8 at 2021 12:36 PM

2021-07-08T12:36:01-04:00

There are NO POGs. All Soldiers & Civilian support personnel are vital, in their given rolls, to success of our country & Armed Forces. My first enlistment was 13B10 - Cannon Crewman - Field Artillery. My unit assigned me to our Supply Platoon, another was assigned to Motor Pool - Parts (TAMS Clerk), & a third as our Battery Commander's Driver. We were all 13B10s.

Response by SGT Patrick Montone made Jul 9 at 2021 8:01 PM

2021-07-09T20:01:22-04:00

Fuck NO. Outta here with that bullshit

Response by SPC Christopher Trafnik made Jul 9 at 2021 9:37 PM

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Response by SPC Chris Ison made Jul 9 at 2021 10:57 PM

2021-07-09T22:57:00-04:00

No.

In order to qualify for the CIB you need three things:

You need to be school trained as infantry.
You must be in an infantry unit, doing an infantry mission.
And you must be satisfactorily performing said duties.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Jul 10 at 2021 12:30 AM

2021-07-10T00:30:40-04:00

What is a POG?

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Jul 10 at 2021 12:31 AM

2021-07-10T00:31:11-04:00

What is a POG?

Response by CSM Jim Rogers made Aug 20 at 2021 7:39 PM

2021-08-20T19:39:26-04:00

No retired CSM

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Sep 17 at 2021 8:25 PM

2021-09-17T20:25:40-04:00

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 19 at 2021 9:56 PM

2021-09-19T21:56:38-04:00

No. For a CIB you only qualify if you are an Infantryman in combat serving as Infantry. CAB is for everyone else. Its just that simple. Now if you reclass and go to combat then yes, you could wear the CIB

Response by SGT James Bradley made Sep 19 at 2021 10:40 PM

2021-09-19T22:40:59-04:00

NO WAY JOSE!!!!!

Response by PO2 Greg Donahoe made Sep 20 at 2021 8:26 AM

2021-09-20T08:26:10-04:00

No, the CIB has to be earned while in combat action as an Infantry Man. They'd still be authorized to wear their CAB. This was a question better not asked though. Even the term POG just betrays your lack of maturity.

Response by SPC Anthony Martin made Sep 20 at 2021 5:49 PM

2021-09-20T17:49:04-04:00

No, he or she would not be authorized to wear the CIB. You may have noticed I included females. That’s because the military lifted the ban on females in combat arms positions….

Response by SPC Will Thorson made Sep 21 at 2021 3:30 PM

2021-09-21T15:30:07-04:00

Only dumb question is the one nit askek but you are pushing that. Haha. You EARN CABs and CIBs. They are not interchangeable. If you go to an infantry company and your mos is 11b you can't just put on a CIB. You can wear your CAB. You earned that. No one can put on their uniform anything that isn't earned.

Response by PO2 Stephen Brownell made Sep 22 at 2021 6:22 PM

2021-09-22T18:22:11-04:00

I dont see why not if he is transferred to the infantry

Response by SFC Jeff Duncan made Sep 22 at 2021 8:52 PM

2021-09-22T20:52:41-04:00

I remember 2003 Iraq seeing females in the torrent on humvee Manning the the 240 or 50 cal and engaging the enemy. In 2003 females were supposed to not be in combat hence they could not earn CIB or CAB. My team got hit in a bad ambush outside Mosul and a nearby convoy came to give fire support, in your mind they are POGS in mine they saved our ass!!!

Response by SGT Bill Christian made Sep 23 at 2021 12:30 AM

2021-09-23T00:30:48-04:00

Let me guess "asking for a friend" lol.
I've got 2 points for you. 1) yes all awards and qualification badges transfer with you throughout your career. 2) they only ones who use the term pog and that is in reference to any one that isnt them...lol

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 23 at 2021 2:37 AM

2021-09-23T02:37:09-04:00

No. The cib/cmb can only be awarded to those that are Mosq @ the time of the incident. The cib, cab, cmb have the exact same point value for promotion. Other than being different design they all mean the same. That you were engaged, engaged, or recieved idf from enemy action. Anyone that says that any has more value than the other is a joke & full of themselves.

Response by SGT John Bower made Sep 23 at 2021 5:54 PM

2021-09-23T17:54:26-04:00

Haha! I laughed out load.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 24 at 2021 12:06 AM

2021-09-24T00:06:12-04:00

I have a CAB. I got it as a Supply Sergeant on a MiTT Team in Iraq. If I had been later transferred to an Infantry unit - however unlikely that would have ever happened - to get a CIB I would have to engage the enemy as an Infantry Soldier. Quite frankly, I’m happy to have just returned home alive.

Response by Cpl Ross Curtis made Sep 26 at 2021 1:51 AM

2021-09-26T01:51:25-04:00

No. But I think the CAB would be far more interesting to have than the CIB, because infantry is expected to be engaged, POGs are not. Thus a Driver who saw combat or a cook who saw combat AND DID NOT HIDE NOR RUN is FAR cooler than an infantryman who saw combat and fought back (with the large exception of combat valor awards: ie MOH, Gold Star, etc)

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Sep 26 at 2021 4:58 PM

2021-09-26T16:58:55-04:00

One has nothing to do with the other. The CIB is not supposed to be awarded by default unless you are an officer

Response by SPC Lyle Montgomery made Sep 26 at 2021 9:38 PM

2021-09-26T21:38:02-04:00

A cib is awarded for actually being in combat. The eib has nothing to do with combat. what a stupid question

Response by SPC Paul Stevenson made Oct 26 at 2021 9:29 PM

2021-10-26T21:29:34-04:00

am I authorized to wear an infantry badge if I only OJT into the MOS 11B?

Response by SFC Carlos Cruz made Oct 27 at 2021 3:27 PM

2021-10-27T15:27:33-04:00

No because 1 you must be infantry qualified and 2 you must serve in combat as a infantry.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Oct 27 at 2021 5:21 PM

2021-10-27T17:21:54-04:00

bro, I'm not even 11B and know this answer... ah hell no! there's a reason why you wear the CIB, just as not all infantry wear it... just cause they were deployed and in a combat area, doesn't mean they get to wear infantry awarded shiiet. come on man

Response by CPT Brad Wilson made Oct 27 at 2021 5:30 PM

2021-10-27T17:30:40-04:00

No you have to be Infantry to get the CIB you can’t trade another award in for it

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2021 8:44 AM

2021-10-28T08:44:30-04:00

All badges are awarded you just don’t put them on just like you don’t just become airborne because your assigned to an airborne unit

Response by SFC Frederick Dalton made Oct 28 at 2021 8:53 AM

2021-10-28T08:53:07-04:00

No. Two separate awards with different criteria.

Response by MSG GregoryT Majewski made Oct 28 at 2021 12:26 PM

2021-10-28T12:26:15-04:00

Metal earned, metal worn.

Response by MSG GregoryT Majewski made Oct 28 at 2021 12:26 PM

2021-10-28T12:26:48-04:00

Metal earned, metal worn

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Nov 21 at 2021 1:45 PM

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Response by 1SG Michael Farrell made Nov 24 at 2021 2:48 AM

2021-11-24T02:48:23-05:00

Different awards, different criteria, different people. You would still be required to wear the CAB if you went to a promotion board for example or a soldier of the month or year board. You have to have an Infantry MOS and serve in an Infantry Role normally for a certain period of time in Combat, although that is probably waiverable. Be proud of who you are young soldier, because that enables to have the future that you can create. Same for the EIB and the EFMB and if they actually got the ESB going -- no idea just haven't seen it in AUSA, you have to have the MOS and be assigned in the position.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 26 at 2021 7:44 PM

2021-11-26T19:44:22-05:00

Seems like a question that could be easily answered by simply looking at the regulations. But common sense should also tell you that you can't.

Response by SGT Andrew Anderson made Dec 4 at 2021 5:54 PM

2021-12-04T17:54:55-05:00

The CIB is not a uniform decoration for someone just because they an infantry unit. There are very specific criteria that need to be met prior to being authorized to wear the CIB! Those requirements include being assigned to an infantry unit during such time as the unit is engaged in active ground combat and actively
participate in said combat

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jan 5 at 2022 2:23 PM

2022-01-05T14:23:39-05:00

Was I a POG?

Response by SSG Ken Potts made Jan 6 at 2022 2:36 AM

2022-01-06T02:36:11-05:00

Yes.

Response by SSG Edward Schenk made Jan 6 at 2022 9:51 AM

2022-01-06T09:51:07-05:00

No. Plus the CAB is dumbest thing ever come up with.

Response by 1SG Dave Carello made Jan 6 at 2022 5:13 PM

2022-01-06T17:13:28-05:00

Response by MSG Gary George made Jan 6 at 2022 7:21 PM

2022-01-06T19:21:35-05:00

You wear what you were awarded. Does one lose the right to wear a CIB if they reclasss to a non combat MOS? Ask yourself some questions.
Now to awards. One man's CIB is not another's. One man's CMB is not another's. One man's Bronze Star is not another's. At the Battle of the Bulge the German's didn't ask if you were Infantry or a cook when they shot at you and they were being shot at by both.

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Jan 7 at 2022 9:34 PM

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No, next question please

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Jan 8 at 2022 12:50 AM

2022-01-08T00:50:19-05:00

I'm retired Air Force. What's a POG?

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2022 10:35 AM

2022-01-09T10:35:33-05:00

You can be an infantryman attached to a POG unit and you'll receive a CAB instead of a CIB if you were in combat!... Why the hell would a POG be able to wear a CIB just because he transfered to infantry? This is one of the most annoying questions I've ever seen. Your answer, HELL NO!!! And I'm an infantryman with neither one.

Response by SPC Darren Coffenberry made Jan 9 at 2022 3:01 PM

2022-01-09T15:01:44-05:00

AR-670-1 Answers all of your military wear and appearance questions. When in doubt read the Reg.

Response by LTC Dan McDonald made Jan 9 at 2022 4:37 PM

2022-01-09T16:37:39-05:00

You don.t thousands of folks to help you with that one. Think about it and the commen sense answer will come.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2022 10:47 AM

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2022 11:50 AM

2022-01-10T11:50:02-05:00

Apples and oranges man. These two are different which would require two sepatate actions for each. Can't double dip.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jan 10 at 2022 5:59 PM

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Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2022 2:23 PM

2022-01-11T14:23:55-05:00

Sounds like that POG got.more action than most grunts

Response by SPC Patrick Miller made Jan 11 at 2022 11:46 PM

2022-01-11T23:46:03-05:00

No. You must deploy to a combat zone as an infantryman—hence the name.

Response by SGT James Sedlacek made Jan 14 at 2022 8:23 AM

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Definitely not!

Response by SGT James Sedlacek made Jan 14 at 2022 8:23 AM

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Definitely not!

Response by SSG James N. made Jan 14 at 2022 8:33 AM

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No. MOS matters. You must be infantry to have your little badgie badge.

Marines have a ribbon, Marines in the wing do Air Assault shit all the time per MOS but you do not see Marines crying for an Air Assault badge. Funny, never saw an 03 series with that Army badge unless they were Army before or after

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made Jan 14 at 2022 6:21 PM

2022-01-14T18:21:18-05:00

Umm... only if he deploys with the infantry unit as an infantryman and returns fire in combat as part of his duties... otherwise this is a dumb question. That's like asking if you get a combat medical badge just for going to a medical unit.

Response by PV2 Harry Sutcliffe made Jan 15 at 2022 2:23 PM

2022-01-15T14:23:59-05:00

combat INFANTER BADGE

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2022 9:37 PM

2022-01-17T21:37:45-05:00

The answer is not NO, but HELL NO. Let me ask you this, chronologically speaking, Was he an 11B when he got the CAB? What is your answer???......OK, then you just answer your own question too. ......Next question......

Response by SGT Thomas Salemme made Feb 10 at 2022 10:21 AM

2022-02-10T10:21:16-05:00

I was going to say that i know many soldiers, including myself, who saw more "combat" as "POGs", than people assigned to an infantry unit, and were "GIVEN" cib's....But your low-IQ Infantry question pretty much made my point for me.

Response by 1LT Charles Jasper made Feb 10 at 2022 3:43 PM

2022-02-10T15:43:17-05:00

No.

Response by PO1 Todd B. made Feb 14 at 2022 5:18 PM

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If a person is legit awarded a medal or ribbon, then they are entitled to wear it, regardless. Does not matter if they swabbed decks for years, if something happened that warranted an award that might not normally be had in that career path, they would still be entitled to wear it. Again, legit awarded is the primary thing here. IF they were truly given that, then yes they can wear it.

Response by SGT Bill Braniff made Feb 18 at 2022 7:38 AM

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It never ceases to amaze me some of the questions and comments on this site. Now I certainly come from a different time and era, but I am amazed. Carry on.

Response by 1SG Marc Jensen made Feb 19 at 2022 9:17 AM

2022-02-19T09:17:20-05:00

No, separate awards, with different criteria.

Response by SGT Ivory Brown made Feb 20 at 2022 7:09 AM

2022-02-20T07:09:49-05:00

Of course not it would not transfer.The warrior would have to earn the CIB in a combat arms Mos

Response by SFC Craig Titzkowski made Feb 22 at 2022 3:27 PM

2022-02-22T15:27:55-05:00

No you can transfer any award to another it takes away from the award. I was in two services and earned awards in both. The Army Achievement Medal is the same as the Navy Achievement Medal for promotion points. Same with the Army Commendation Medal VS the Navy Commendation Medal each service has their own medals at that level or below MSM and BSM is the same across the services. Bottom line is each Rate in the Navy is been giving a expertise badge to deserving individuals that meet the requirements and the army in the resent past is doing the same by bringing in the CAB for none infantry Soldiers. The CAB started as an Engineer badge at concept then grew to be anyone who engaged the enemy. I personally have earned many of these honor's from both services. I am proud to have had the opportunity to earn them just remember they don't make you who you are they are military flare be proud wear them when appropriate. I choose not to wear them and just display them in my private office at home only for close friends to see. This is a free country and you all have earned them wear them with respect to all who earned them with you. God Bless you all

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 25 at 2022 9:29 AM

2022-02-25T09:29:08-05:00

No!

Response by SPC Gary Symons made Mar 2 at 2022 12:05 PM

2022-03-02T12:05:05-05:00

I served in combat as a medic with the 501st Infantry, 101st Airborne in Vietnam for 63 days. We exchanged gun fire with our M16’s and we got chased by rounds from AK47’s. All the guys in my platoon got Combat Infantry Badges but since no one in my platoon was injured, I didn’t qualify for any badge. Every medic I served with got shot or skilled.

I checked with the Army one time but they sent me a letter saying no cigar and said I should be ashamed for asking.

Actually I was the Battalion reporter before leaving Ft Campbell, KY on 12/13/1967 and they never changed my MOS to medic. I have letters showing I was a medic in Company C and clearing villages, etc.
but at this stage in my life I say
I DON’T NEED NO STINKING BADGE!

Response by SGT Kenneth Czyz made Apr 2 at 2022 8:47 PM

2022-04-02T20:47:03-04:00

CIB earned never given. OIF II veteran 11c

Response by SSG Patrick Green made Apr 4 at 2022 6:15 AM

2022-04-04T06:15:16-04:00

Lmao this dude is 91b that’s what it says I think he’s referring to himself as the pog I’m being serious because That’s my assumption

Response by SFC Jeff Orlowski made Apr 4 at 2022 9:41 AM

2022-04-04T09:41:11-04:00

You are kidding me, right? What percentage of Americans serve in the military? I was an infantryman and never fully understood why someone who has a low GT score has the ability to criticize someone because of a MOS they chose. It is not their fault your GT score was so low you could not have a choice of a MOS. Maybe you need the look into a mirror next time you use the term POG (is that even the correct spelling).

Response by SGT Kenneth Potts made Apr 5 at 2022 8:14 PM

2022-04-05T20:14:39-04:00

You should do some research and answer your own question.

Response by CSM Tony Blair made Apr 6 at 2022 7:17 PM

2022-04-06T19:17:10-04:00

No,
Awards can be retroactive but not crossed by M.O.S.
The only M.O.S that can be awarded the CIB are the 11 series

Response by SSG William Lovins made Apr 6 at 2022 10:24 PM

2022-04-06T22:24:49-04:00

Simply no by regs. I spent 8 years as a 63B but got busted down and had the opportunity to reclass to 11B. Even though I got ragged on I wore my CAB because I knew what I did and where I got it. Switching to a CIB, for the same award, if I could would just be fronting.

Response by SSG Robert Smith made Apr 7 at 2022 3:45 PM

2022-04-07T15:45:54-04:00

Actually no, because if the person isn't infantry then they don't get the Combat Infantry Badge. The person will still have the Combat Action Badge though.

Response by MSgt George Maynard made Apr 29 at 2022 6:16 PM

2022-04-29T18:16:02-04:00

Combat Infantryman Badge CIB.
Q2: Are prior service Marines coming into the U.S. Army who earned the Combat Action Ribbon (CAR) able to wear the US Army Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB)?

A2: No. Former Marines or Sailors who received the CAR during their service with the Marine Corps and Navy cannot "convert" their CARs into CIBs. The CAR is not equivalent to the CIB. It is similar to the Combat Action Badge (CAB). The CAR, like the CAB, is awarded to any Marines/Sailors who have actively participated in ground or surface combat. Personnel assigned to areas subjected to sustained mortar, missile, and artillery attacks actively participate in retaliatory or offensive actions are eligible for the CAR. The CIB, unlike the CAR, is only authorized to be awarded to Infantry and Special Forces Soldiers who are engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires, while assigned to an Army Infantry or Special Forces unit.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Combat%20Infantryman%20Badge%20CIB

HRC Homepage

Response by MSgt George Maynard made Apr 29 at 2022 6:18 PM

2022-04-29T18:18:23-04:00

Combat Infantryman Badge CIB.
Q2: Are prior service Marines coming into the U.S. Army who earned the Combat Action Ribbon (CAR)
able to wear the US Army Combat Infantryman Badge (CIB)?

A2: No. Former Marines or Sailors who received the CAR during their service with the Marine Corps and Navy cannot "convert" their CARs into CIBs. The CAR is not equivalent to the CIB. It is similar to the Combat Action Badge (CAB). The CAR, like the CAB, is awarded to any Marines/Sailors who have actively participated in ground or surface combat. Personnel assigned to areas subjected to sustained mortar, missile, and artillery attacks actively participate in retaliatory or offensive actions are eligible for the CAR. The CIB, unlike the CAR, is only authorized to be awarded to Infantry and Special Forces Soldiers who are engaged in active ground combat, to close with and destroy the enemy with direct fires, while assigned to an Army Infantry or Special Forces unit.
https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Combat%20Infantryman%20Badge%20CIB

HRC Homepage

Response by LTC Ray Buenteo made Apr 29 at 2022 6:46 PM

2022-04-29T18:46:33-04:00

Take pride of your accomplishments as a member of a team not the trinkets they bring.

Response by SSG David Angell made May 1 at 2022 9:14 PM

2022-05-01T21:14:22-04:00

NO! You have to be in an Infantry unit, as well as having a 11b MOS. I served 3 tours in Iraq.
First tour, I received CIB, as our Infantry unit was assigned FOB duties, as well as going outside the wire.
One of our missions caused us to come in contact with the enemy. Thus we/our unit was awarded the CIB.
The next tour, I was attached to a Combat Engineer Unit. I wore my CIB badge proudly, as I had earned it. During my rotation, with the Combat Engineer Unit, we were awarded the CAB badge. With that being said, I had the option of wearing either one, as I had been awarded them. I could not wear both of them at the same time, per Army Regulation.
My third and last rotation (before retirement), I was back with my Infantry Unit.
Because I had already received a CIB, I couldn't get a second award, as I was still fighting the same war..Iraq. Had I been in Afghanistan! Different war, different CIB (second award).

Response by SGT Wayne Grindstaff made May 16 at 2022 7:00 PM

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Here is an example of why I always thought it wrong that the men on the mechanics track that was always with the Bn. didn't get any badge. Yes they were manning the perimeter as we where and yes they also fought when we had night attacks or were ambushed on the road. But in no way went though what we did as 11Bravos. So in the current Army they would have gotten the CAB, which is right, yet not the same as my CIB. As an aside my Dad was a WWII Navy signalman and was part of the Armed Guard for the whole war. He was wounded at Anzio and spent 13 days in a life boat after a U boat got his Merchant ship in the Indian Ocean. He passed in 1991 but I sent the Navy Department some records 5 years ago, he didn't get the PH as it was a Merchant Capt. that put him in for it. But he was awarded a CAR and that made me very happy, wish he was a alive to see it. Goggle Navy Armed Guard and read about them.

Response by SP5 John Burleson made May 17 at 2022 11:23 AM

2022-05-17T11:23:33-04:00

If the Army giveth...the Army cannot taketh away. Wear your CIB with pride. You earned it. If somebody disagrees, feel free to quote me. I have a rep to respect.

Response by SPC Daniel Dresen made May 18 at 2022 8:30 PM

2022-05-18T20:30:57-04:00

Wow... this made my eyes bleed. Just because you go to an infantry unit... your MOS didn't retroactively change at the time you saw combat. Now if you were an infantryman in an HR unit and just happened to engage the enemy... you got a cab by mistake and need sworn statements and SIRs to confirm that you, in fact, meet the award criteria of being an infantryman actively engaging enemy forces. If that didn't happen... even an infantryman can get a CAB if they were not directly engaging enemy forces. No returning fire, no CIB.

Response by SGM Willie Sanderson made May 19 at 2022 3:45 PM

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You were the badges and awards you have been awarded by orders of your service. They are not interchangeable.

Response by CPO William Bell made May 19 at 2022 4:11 PM

2022-05-19T16:11:20-04:00

WHAT?? OF COURSE - HE EARNED IT.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 19 at 2022 4:52 PM

2022-05-19T16:52:09-04:00

CAB and CIB have different criteria, so no.. no you would not. Wear your CAB with pride, I’m 11B and there’s nothing wrong with being anything else, so why would you want to take off your CAB? The only MOS I’d be ashamed to be is 31B

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made May 20 at 2022 10:23 AM

2022-05-20T10:23:01-04:00

I was awarded a Navy and Marine Corps combat action ribbon for my service in Vietnam. When I went into the Army National Guard I didn't wear a Combat Infantryman's Badge---BECAUSE I DIDN'T EARN IT---If you didn't earn an award---don't disrespect those who did. Don't make a jackass of yourself by wearing decorations you didn't earn.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made May 20 at 2022 11:07 AM

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If you earn a CAB while serving in any MOS other than INFANTRY or Special Forces, you wear a CAB. Unless you are an 11 series MOS or 18 series MOS, your Combat Badge will be a CAB, even if you are serving with an Infantry or ODA element, your Combat badge is dictated by your MOS.
As per AR 670-1 Soldiers Actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy, and performing satisfactorily in accordance with prescribed rules of engagement after September 18, 2001.
Eligibility: All soldiers NOT Infantry or Special Forces MOS.

Response by SFC Patrick M. made May 20 at 2022 1:22 PM

2022-05-20T13:22:55-04:00

NO. He was awarded a CAB not a CIB, you where what you have been awarded.

Response by SGM Pat Cunningham made May 21 at 2022 10:39 PM

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YES.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made May 23 at 2022 4:20 PM

2022-05-23T16:20:16-04:00

What does POG. Stand for. I know what REMF means. I am guessing it’s close to what REMF means. Probably just a generation thing

Response by CPT Ian Stewart made Jun 10 at 2022 9:55 AM

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This is a bit off subject, but during Vietnam, a lot of non-11Bs were assigned to Infantry units to make up personnel shortages. Most of these guys were from other combat arms (Armor, Artillery, etc.), but others weren't. Nevertheless, they served as Infantrymen, beating the bush, getting into firefights and doing other fun Grunt stuff. They were awarded CIBs by their units and wore them proudly......until some AG-type decided that the AR had to be enforced.
I remember we had two tank commanders in our company who were ordered to stop wearing their CIBs solely because they were tankers. The total unfairness of the policy was shameful. I wonder if similar situations are still happening today.

Response by CPT George Hupp made Jun 20 at 2022 7:54 PM

2022-06-20T19:54:42-04:00

Absolutely not.

Response by MSgt George Fillgrove made Jun 21 at 2022 9:31 AM

2022-06-21T09:31:08-04:00

Transferring to the Infantry wouldn't cut it. Don't you think you have to earn the CIB, first? It would mean more. They are, after all, two different badges for two different types of combat involvement.

Response by CPL Thaddeus Humiston made Jun 24 at 2022 1:31 AM

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Douche baggyness, nobody cares about the fruit salad on your jacket. I barely give a shit about the brass on your cover. I do care that you served, and are doing okay.

Response by SFC Zohn Tennyson made Jun 24 at 2022 9:28 AM

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Nope. Has to be earned while holding the M.O.S. I held the EIB and was awarded the CAB on last deployment as a 13F. Because I held the 11B MOS also, was asked if they wanted to put in for the CIB and I said no. That damn EIB was a lot harder to get than the CiB, lol.

Response by SGT Stephen Arrowsmith made Jun 24 at 2022 8:38 PM

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No. POGS can’t wear the CIB until they are engaged by the enemy and engage the enemy in return. An Infantry reclass with a CIB isn’t authorized to wear the CAB until they are engaged by the enemy in their POG MOS. The same as neither would be able to reclass to medic and slap in. CMB until they fulfill the requirements to earn that badge

Response by SGT Stephen Arrowsmith made Jun 24 at 2022 8:44 PM

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Also, don’t become one the “look at me, I’m enlightened” turnips crying about the term POG. They suck at life. Be awesome and keep using the term. It’s not that serious. Finance is an important job….doesn’t mean they still aren’t POGS.

Response by SPC Michelle Goodhart made Jul 4 at 2022 9:22 AM

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Yes. They could wear it and continue wearing it even if they were awarded the CIB. AR 600-8-22 does not disallow it nor does it require it to be removed from the record or disallow it’s wear even if they are later awarded the CIB.

Response by SPC Julio R. made Jul 6 at 2022 8:07 PM

2022-07-06T20:07:54-04:00

BLUE FALCON...
LOW SPEED HIGH DRAG....
Shoulda asked this question without doggin other brothers and sisters in Arms.... your that guy.

Response by SPC Arthur Lowder made Jul 10 at 2022 8:02 AM

2022-07-10T08:02:22-04:00

ONLY IF HE OR SHE BECOME PART OF THAT UNIT COMBAT INF.

Response by 1LT Neal Schwartz made Jul 25 at 2022 10:45 AM

2022-07-25T10:45:30-04:00

Would non-Infantry personnel that fought in Vietnam appreciate getting the CAB? I wrote about it and it was rejected. It was retroactive for others but not for Vietnam Veterans (I think they were concerned about the cost). My Medic only received a Purple Heart after getting killed in action in the Ashau Valley during Operation Apache Snow, Hill 937 (Hamburger Hill), with 17 others medevacked out, not including those that were injured and stayed to fight. A sore spot with me, took stitches in the field, recently found shrapnel in an x-ray in my hand, rejected for belated PH.

Response by SFC James Reeder made Jul 26 at 2022 4:26 PM

2022-07-26T16:26:27-04:00

Is the force really this stupid? Glad to be retired.

Response by Cpl Joel Nicholson made Jul 26 at 2022 9:58 PM

2022-07-26T21:58:07-04:00

No!

Response by MSgt Robert E. M. made Jul 27 at 2022 1:29 PM

2022-07-27T13:29:37-04:00

Check with your Top Sgt. and we hope/pray your award was entered!

Response by SGM Ronald Cheatom made Jul 27 at 2022 8:09 PM

2022-07-27T20:09:38-04:00

No. Period.

Response by SSG Michael Schneider made Jul 27 at 2022 8:30 PM

2022-07-27T20:30:30-04:00

Hell No! There are very specific regulations and those that pertain to the CAB and the CIB are quite different.

Response by SGT David Tennien made Jul 28 at 2022 5:45 PM

2022-07-28T17:45:03-04:00

No two different badges

Response by COL Bill Gross made Jul 31 at 2022 9:21 PM

2022-07-31T21:21:19-04:00

Check the regulations. Each award requirements are spelled out. I haven't seen them. I be willing to place a hefty wager that the answer would be no.

Response by SSgt Michael Bowen made Aug 18 at 2022 3:10 PM

2022-08-18T15:10:51-04:00

I would think Not . They got it for what they were not what they would become . They would have to go into combat as Infantry to earn it just like anyone else . BTW i was 13F but they had limited need so i lead patrols outside the wire mostly at night We were doing the same job as infantry with the same risk and mission . Not all non infantry are POG's . Oh to avoid confusion i served in both Marines and army when in Iraq i was Army .

Response by CPO Michael Burns made Sep 2 at 2022 10:47 PM

2022-09-02T22:47:44-04:00

Is that still an acceptable label? Soldiers and perhaps Marines use it as a derogatory term. Like you are better than one. Ironic, considering that many infantrymen are such, only because they aren’t quite smart enough for any other MOS.

Response by PV2 Troy Lindstrand made Sep 2 at 2022 11:30 PM

2022-09-02T23:30:12-04:00

I know someone who was 11B but since he was not with an Infantry unit in Iraq he is only awarded a CAB. Nice try POG.

Response by SGT Philip Adam made Sep 3 at 2022 8:24 PM

2022-09-03T20:24:22-04:00

The correct answer is you are allowed to wear awards you earned. Nothing else. There is no same as. No substitutions.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2022 8:18 PM

2022-09-04T20:18:09-04:00

Why POG? You immediately lost my respect.

Response by SPC Russell Nixon made Sep 5 at 2022 12:27 AM

2022-09-05T00:27:02-04:00

Lol.

Response by SPC Russell Nixon made Sep 5 at 2022 12:27 AM

2022-09-05T00:27:20-04:00

Oh, you're serious.

Response by SGT Teddy Holtry made Sep 6 at 2022 7:54 AM

2022-09-06T07:54:28-04:00

It's his badge, He was awarded it for a reason, Infantry isn't the only MOS that gets shot at

Response by SGT Teddy Holtry made Sep 6 at 2022 7:59 AM

2022-09-06T07:59:13-04:00

You get the combat Infantry badge if you earn the blue rope in Infantry school , if he wants a CIB afterwords, he is in fact entitled to wear both, because it's a different award, the CAB was created for the non infantry who get engaged including transportation, MP, Artillery etc

Response by SSG Chris Gursky made Sep 9 at 2022 9:05 PM

2022-09-09T21:05:24-04:00

Nope

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2022 8:51 PM

2022-10-21T20:51:12-04:00

No.

Response by SFC Mario Rodriquez made Oct 26 at 2022 4:47 PM

2022-10-26T16:47:38-04:00

Does it bother you if they were awarded the CIB? I would think there is more important things for you to worry about.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Oct 29 at 2022 9:13 AM

2022-10-29T09:13:23-04:00

Hahaha, NO.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2022 5:03 PM

2022-10-29T17:03:55-04:00

Spc. Baysa II, you are making things to complicated! In todays "new" Army simply self-identify as a CIBer and wear whatever you want!

Response by SGT George Edward Brown made Oct 30 at 2022 10:30 PM

2022-10-30T22:30:12-04:00

YES, when he/she EARNS IT!

Response by SMSgt Michael Gleason made Nov 1 at 2022 5:43 PM

2022-11-01T17:43:15-04:00

What's a "POG"?

Response by SGT Paul Russo made Dec 12 at 2022 12:11 PM

2022-12-12T12:11:38-05:00

The main requirements are (1) you are assigned to a Infantry / SF Unit ( 2) You have them lil Metal Bee's whizzing past you , On a side note it's preferable that you do not attempt to catch any of them lil metal bee's .

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2022 12:02 PM

2022-12-15T12:02:54-05:00

No.

Response by SPC William Karlsson made Dec 18 at 2022 6:39 PM

2022-12-18T18:39:16-05:00

No, he would still wear the CAB until such a time he gets awarded the CIB (or EIB), only one badge would be allowed at the time. As far as I recall.

Response by SPC William Karlsson made Dec 18 at 2022 6:41 PM

2022-12-18T18:41:42-05:00

No, only the CAB would be allowed unless the service member is awarded CIB/EIB while in the new role.
Only one of those badges can be worn at the time though, as far as I recall.

Response by CW5 Mark Smith made Dec 18 at 2022 9:33 PM

2022-12-18T21:33:08-05:00

Thousands of "POGs" have tombstones marked with KIA. Likewise, other thousands have Purple Hearts. I despise us of the term.

Response by SSG Michael Doolittle made Feb 6 at 2023 1:56 AM

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Response by SFC R. Lee Linebarger made Feb 6 at 2023 6:27 AM

2023-02-06T06:27:20-05:00

If you mean a member from a sister service who engaged and closed with the enemy in combat, no. You take POG and stick it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2023 10:09 AM

2023-02-06T10:09:28-05:00

Do you want to get your ass kicked? Because that's how you get your ass kicked!

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Feb 6 at 2023 5:43 PM

2023-02-06T17:43:15-05:00

The bottom line is is that if an award is not annotated in your personnel file you're not allowed to wear it. For many years I wasn't authorized to wear a foreign award I legitimately won because it wasn't in my official file, I finally got someone in S-1 to place it in the files after I provided the substantiating paperwork.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Feb 7 at 2023 1:20 PM

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2023 7:03 PM

2023-02-08T19:03:29-05:00

You should re-title your post

"If a Soldier, who had earned a CAB, were to transfer to the Infantry, would that Soldier be authorized to wear a CIB?"

And the answer would be negative. In order to be awarded a CIB a Soldier would have to have a primary MOS of 11 or 18 series when performing the conditions required for award.

Response by SGT Frank Hewes made Feb 9 at 2023 7:51 PM

2023-02-09T19:51:47-05:00

I don't believe the CIB could be worn, but the CAB could be worn unless there is a regulatory prohibition on the use of a CAB by infantry.

Response by SPC James Seigars made Mar 6 at 2023 3:54 PM

2023-03-06T15:54:42-05:00

I agree with CSM Hayden. It would seem to be common sense that if you receive a CIB it is because you have been in Combat as an actual Infantry person, not as someone in another MOS who is attached to an Infantry unit. You definitely can’t “trade in” a CAB for a CIB just because you changed jobs, so to speak. So, yes, it is a silly question (source: I was in an Infantry unit with the 101st as a Supply soldier in 2003 & earned my EIB before that, but still couldn’t wear it either since I wasn’t listed as an actual Infantry soldier).

Response by SSG Robert Pratt made Mar 12 at 2023 2:05 PM

2023-03-12T14:05:51-04:00

Two different awards so the answer is No!

Response by 1stSgt Frank Dow made Mar 13 at 2023 10:12 PM

2023-03-13T22:12:55-04:00

Oh hell fuck no

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2023 1:42 AM

2023-03-14T01:42:33-04:00

Tell us you refused to read a regulation without telling us you refused to read a regulation.
I kid, I kid...

Response by 1SG James Calamare0 made Mar 15 at 2023 9:27 AM

2023-03-15T09:27:59-04:00

No way.

Response by SFC Craig Titzkowski made Mar 15 at 2023 8:18 PM

2023-03-15T20:18:29-04:00

Two different awards

Response by PO2 Dan Sherman made Mar 16 at 2023 7:16 PM

2023-03-16T19:16:00-04:00

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2023 7:37 PM

2023-03-16T19:37:17-04:00

Here's a better question. If comments on the forum where used to defend you position to higher ranking members of your chain of command, would they be considered valid? ( Hint: the answer is NO). Asking where to find appropriate regulations could be considered an intelligent course of action. Seeking regulatory guidance by crowd sourcing is just setting yourself up for catastrophic failure and humiliation.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Mar 16 at 2023 9:06 PM

2023-03-16T21:06:26-04:00

Sorry CIB is only awarded to those in the infantry.

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Mar 16 at 2023 9:10 PM

2023-03-16T21:10:55-04:00

Regardless, my fellow soldiers, you should be proud of the award you earned. Not looking for someone else award

Response by PVT Mark Whitcomb made Mar 16 at 2023 9:14 PM

2023-03-16T21:14:43-04:00

One last thought... Are you ashamed of what you were awarded?? Wear it with pride...

Response by SFC Eddy Weezar made Mar 19 at 2023 8:42 AM

2023-03-19T08:42:46-04:00

HELL NO!

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Mar 19 at 2023 11:41 AM

2023-03-19T11:41:50-04:00

NO! The POG was NOT INFANTRY or in an infantry MOS when awarded the CAB and that is why the Combat Infantryman Badge was not awarded.

Response by TSgt Chuck Mankin made Mar 19 at 2023 12:18 PM

2023-03-19T12:18:53-04:00

Combat INFANTRYMAN badge means that you were an INFANTRYMAN when you were in combat.

Response by SFC Maurice Taylor made Mar 19 at 2023 6:12 PM

2023-03-19T18:12:09-04:00

Nope.

Response by SGT Jeff Everhart made Mar 21 at 2023 12:12 PM

2023-03-21T12:12:53-04:00

Question, what is a POG?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2023 2:53 PM

2023-03-23T14:53:13-04:00

The easy answer would be “Hell the Fk” No!

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Mar 31 at 2023 11:25 AM

2023-03-31T11:25:37-04:00

Why wouldn't you?

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Apr 11 at 2023 7:37 PM

2023-04-11T19:37:26-04:00

No. You were not infantry when the event occurred. My unit deployed to Iraq with each of our platoons being it's own task force. We were tossed together with multiple units. We all got our CABs. We did our combat while assigned to the Marines. We had people question if we qualified for the Marine Combat Action Ribbon. No. Our 11Bs did not qualify for CIBs since they were in a non-infantry role. Our medics were also doing a combat MP role too. They did some outstanding medical stuff under fire. Did not qualify for a CMB either. The regs are a bit heartless but that's what we all signed up for.

Response by LCDR Mike Scott Singh made Apr 17 at 2023 2:22 PM

2023-04-17T14:22:00-04:00

No not without being trained and served in a combat infantry unit and in combat fighting.

Response by CSM David Porterfield made May 25 at 2023 1:25 PM

2023-05-25T13:25:26-04:00

NO - Two different awards.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made May 27 at 2023 3:07 AM

2023-05-27T03:07:53-04:00

Short answer: No, the Soldier would not.

Long answer: The CAB and CIB are two different Badges with two different criteria. The Soldier did not meet the CIB requirements while in a POG MOS. The most important requirement being a holder of the MOS 11 (The Infantry MOS Branch) during a combat engagement. If the transferred Soldier wants to wear a CIB instead of the CAB, that Soldier would have to go through a combat engagement that his command determines meets the requirements, as an Infantryman.

Response by PVT Tony Notimportant made May 27 at 2023 12:58 PM

2023-05-27T12:58:30-04:00

There is a reason why it's called the Combat INFANTRY Badge. So, that's a hard "NO".

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2023 11:26 PM

2023-05-29T23:26:42-04:00

Fuuuuckkk no.

Response by CSM Welthie Sanders made Jun 29 at 2023 7:43 PM

2023-06-29T19:43:16-04:00

What is a Combat Action Badge? I would think not, it would be like allowing a combat medic with a Combat Medical Badge wear a CIB. Two different requirements to receive the badges.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2023 9:23 AM

2023-06-30T09:23:50-04:00

No.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2023 4:07 PM

2023-06-30T16:07:44-04:00

if the soldier meets all of the requirements and earns his CIB or is able to pin on if in combat. Then yes otherwise.. No. because the CAB is not equivalent to a CIB. It only shows that a non-combat branch and non infantry soldier was in combat. But in no way to be considered equal to the CIB. That's like saying someone who is non-combat arms is as much of a killing machine as someone who is of 11 bang bang material and has been through the intensive training and discipline and expectations.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Leake made Jul 1 at 2023 1:31 PM

2023-07-01T13:31:44-04:00

This hurt my brain. Why don't people research things before they post? Maybe this will help answer this query:
(8) Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea (November 23, 1984).
(9) Panama (December 20, 1989 to January 31, 1990).
(10) Southwest Asia Conflict (January 17 to April 11, 1991).
(11) Somalia (June 5, 1992 to March 31, 1994).
(12) Afghanistan (Operation ENDURING FREEDOM, December 5, 2001 to a date to be determined).
(13) Iraq (Operation IRAQI FREEDOM, March 19, 2003 to a date to be determined).
(d) The special provisions authorized for the Vietnam Conflict, Laos, and Korea on the DMZ are outlined in paragraphs (d)(1) through (5) of this section.
(1) During the Vietnam Conflict, any officer whose branch is other than infantry who, under appropriate orders, has commanded a line infantry (other than a headquarters unit) unit of brigade, regimental, or smaller size for at least 30 consecutive days is deemed to have been detailed in infantry and is eligible for award of the CIB notwithstanding absence of a written directive detailing that Soldier in the infantry, provided all other requirements for the award have been met. Orders directing the officer to assume command will be confirmed in writing at the earliest practicable date.
(i) In addition, any officer, warrant officer, or enlisted Soldier whose branch is other than infantry, who under appropriate orders was assigned to advise a unit listed in paragraphs (d)(2) and (3) of this section or was assigned as a member of a White Star Mobile Training Team or a member of MAAG-Laos as indicated in paragraphs (d)(4)(i) and (ii) of this section will be eligible for award of the CIB provided all other requirements have been met.
(ii) After December 1, 1967 for service in the Republic of Vietnam, noncommissioned officers serving as Command Sergeants Major of infantry battalions and brigades for periods of at least 30 consecutive days in a combat zone are eligible for award of the CIB provided all other requirements have been met.
(2) Subsequent to March 1, 1961, a Soldier must have been—
(i) Assigned as advisor to an infantry unit, ranger unit, infantry-type unit of the civil guard of regimental or smaller size, and/or infantry-type unit of the self-defense corps unit of regimental or smaller size of the Vietnamese government during any period such unit was engaged in actual ground combat.
(ii) Assigned as advisor of an irregular force comparable to the above infantry units under similar conditions.
(iii) Personally present and under fire while serving in an assigned primary duty as a member of a tactical advisory team while the unit participated in ground combat.
(3) Subsequent to May 24, 1965, to qualify for the CIB, personnel serving in U.S. units must meet the requirements of paragraph (b)(1) of this section. Individuals who performed liaison duties with the Royal Thai Army of the Army of the Republic of Korea combat units in Vietnam are eligible for award of the badge provided they meet all other requirements.
(4) In Laos from April 19, 1961 to October 6, 1962, a Soldier must have been—
(i) Assigned as member of a White Star Mobile Training Team while the team was attached to or working with a unit of regimental (groupment mobile) or smaller size of Forces Armee du Royaume (FAR), or with irregular type forces of regimental or smaller size.
(ii) A member of MAAG-Laos assigned as an advisor to a region or zone of FAR, or while serving with irregular type forces of regimental or smaller size.
(iii) Personally under hostile fire while assigned as specified in paragraphs (d)(4)(i) and (ii) of this section.
(5) In Korea on the DMZ. The special requirements for award of the CIB for service in the Republic of Korea are rescinded. Army veterans and service members who served in Korea on or after July 28, 1953 and meet the criteria for award of the CIB outlined in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section, may submit an application (to include supporting documentation) for award of the CIB to the Commander, USA HRC, (see § 578.3(c) for address). Retroactive awards under these criteria are not authorized for service prior to July 29, 1953.
(e) Subsequent awards. To date, a separate award of the CIB has been authorized for qualified soldiers in any of the following four qualifying periods:
(1) World War II (December 7, 1941 to September 3, 1945).
(2) The Korean Conflict (June 27, 1950 to July 27, 1953).
(3) The Vietnam Conflict. Service in the Republic of Vietnam conflict (after March 1, 1961) combined with qualifying service in Laos (April 19, 1961 to October 6, 1962); the Dominican Republic (April 28, 1965 to September 1, 1966); Korea on the DMZ (after January 4, 1969); El Salvador (January 1, 1981 to February 1, 1992); Grenada (October 23 to November 21, 1983); Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea (November 23, 1984); Panama (December 20, 1989 to January 31, 1990); Southwest Asia (January 17 to April 11, 1991); and Somalia (June 5, 1992 to March 31, 1994) is recognized by one award only regardless of whether a soldier has served one or multiple tours in any or all of these areas.
(4) Global War on Terrorism. Operation ENDURING FREEDOM (November 20, 2001 to date to be determined) and Operation IRAQI FREEDOM (March 19, 2003 to a date to be determined).
(f) If a Soldier has been awarded the CIB in one of the qualifying periods outlined in paragraph (c) of this section, that Soldier is not eligible to earn the CMB in the same period.
(g) Who may award—(1) Current awards. Current awards of the CIB may be awarded by the Commanding General, USA HRC and any commander delegated authority by the Secretary of the Army during wartime.
(2) Retroactive awards. Retroactive awards of the Combat Infantryman Badge and the Combat Medical Badge may be awarded by the Commanding General, USA HRC to active duty Soldiers and Reserve Component Soldiers. Applications for retroactive award of the CIB and CMB will be forwarded through command channels to the Commander, USA HRC, (see § 578.3(c) for address). Retirees and veterans should address their application to the NPRC, (see § 578.16(a)(3) for address). Retroactive award of the CIB and CMB are authorized for time periods specified above to fully qualified individuals. Such awards will not be made except where evidence of injustice is presented.
(h) Description. A silver and enamel badge 1 inch in height and 3 inches in width, consisting of an infantry musket on a light blue bar with a silver border, on and over an elliptical oak wreath. Stars are added at the top of the wreath to indicate subsequent awards; one star for the second award, two stars for the third award and three stars for the fourth award.

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 2 at 2023 1:17 PM

2023-07-02T13:17:04-04:00

Has everything to do with actually serving in a combat arms unit …

Response by CPL Larry Frias Jr made Jul 2 at 2023 1:17 PM

2023-07-02T13:17:57-04:00

Try serving in a Combat Arms Unit …

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2023 6:16 PM

2023-07-02T18:16:54-04:00

No.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2023 3:22 PM

2023-07-03T15:22:27-04:00

If a POG, awarded with a CAB (combat action badge), were to transfer to Infantry, would the soldier be authorized to wear the CIB? Yes, but only if the CAB (combat action badge) was earned during a BMA (big mac attack).

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 9 at 2023 4:05 AM

2023-07-09T04:05:26-04:00

I had a former Marine in my platoon. He had a CAB. Was a tank mech in the Corps so how he engaged anything is beyond me. Anyway, it stayed a CAB.

Response by SGT Doug Blanchard made Jul 24 at 2023 7:17 PM

2023-07-24T19:17:50-04:00

A friend of mine that is a retired Navy corpsman, actually a P.A. in country in Vietnam. He was embedded with an Army SOG unit for a period of time. He was awarded a CIB due to being with an Army infantry SOG group while in country. He said it was one of his most prized possession, even though the Navy would not allow him to wear it on his Navy uniform. He even produced the commendation paper work they gave him when he received it.

Response by SPC David C. made Jul 25 at 2023 7:01 PM

2023-07-25T19:01:37-04:00

No. If someone wants to wear what grunts wear, they should have been a grunt instead of a POG. That's pretty fucking weak to want the cush POG job but wear the awards of a hard charger.

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Aug 17 at 2023 3:50 PM

2023-08-17T15:50:38-04:00

Combat Infantryman Badge! Pretty simple to me must have been Infantry while in Combat! I get more than Infantry can get caught up in action! The difference is the amount of it and level of intensity of it. Infantry tends to be very up close and personal.
I do believe medics also deserve an equivalent and hold a special place in grunts hearts followed by every other MOS that plays a part in saving our bacon! Medivac pilots, A10 pilots, Attack helicopters pilots, artillery, tankers etc. I would even include the people responsible for resupplying.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2023 1:55 PM

2023-08-20T13:55:55-04:00

No. You were not awarded a CIB, therefore you would not be authorized to wear the CIB.

Response by SSG Jeremiah Cuevas made Aug 21 at 2023 9:13 AM

2023-08-21T09:13:31-04:00

Why even ask the question? The CAB was awarded for that specific deployment. If you want a CIB go on another deployment with your new infantry unit. A real soldier should never have to pretend they're something they're not, or they did something they didn't. Be proud of your service whether you're a cook, or special forces.

Response by SFC Andre Davis made Aug 21 at 2023 7:44 PM

2023-08-21T19:44:02-04:00

this is a civilian asking this question. the answer is no, you only get a cib when you go into combat as a grunt. and that pog bullshit is just that bs, just because someone is not a grunt does not mean they ain't been in the shit and came out on top.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Aug 23 at 2023 11:55 PM

2023-08-23T23:55:18-04:00

This... coming from an infantry moron who's never been in combat and probably never will. You can thank trump for keeping us out of war...FJB

Response by SPC Thomas Bourland made Aug 24 at 2023 1:00 PM

2023-08-24T13:00:47-04:00

NOPE... an 11 series mos assigned to an infantry unit but i suspect the soldier knew that in the first place.

Response by TSgt George Gray made Aug 25 at 2023 12:25 AM

2023-08-25T00:25:11-04:00

Far as I know anyone awarded a badge is authorized to wear it. Which is why so many officers wear badges they're shit at

Response by TSgt George Gray made Aug 25 at 2023 12:32 AM

2023-08-25T00:32:36-04:00

Most importantly wear what you have earned. Recall my father as a SNCO getting dhit from a lt in the 80's. Basically because my father had wings, 5 rows of ribbons and combat awards from Vietnam. The lt had one ribbon but felt superior as an O. Honestly fuck ''em. Wear what you earned and you'll always be right.

Response by CWO4 Carter Owens made Aug 26 at 2023 12:12 PM

2023-08-26T12:12:15-04:00

I never served in a Combat Zone however I suspect General Mandated Training (GMT) would likely clear up any further on issues with the CIB.

Response by 1SG Marcus Whitfield made Aug 26 at 2023 1:25 PM

2023-08-26T13:25:11-04:00

Do you really think they just hand these awards out ? It’s got to be earned.

Response by CPL T.A. Nelson made Aug 26 at 2023 8:56 PM

2023-08-26T20:56:16-04:00

You need to establish which POG MOS you are talking about. A forward support MOS could and have been awarded the CIB, but they usually are also Spec Ops, JSOC or infantry unit. Speaking as someone who has been informed that I should have been wearing my CIB - I didn't wear it as a sign of respect to those who were in combat MOSs...

Response by Cpl Ernest Thomas made Aug 27 at 2023 7:20 AM

2023-08-27T07:20:16-04:00

Your question clearly shows what kind of shitbird you are! Shut the fuck up and go back to suckling your mommas tit!

Response by SSG John Smith made Oct 13 at 2023 4:39 PM

2023-10-13T16:39:57-04:00

NO...Your award was not for the CIB. Look at General Milley. He was special forces qualified and was awarded the CAB.

Response by SSG John Smith made Oct 13 at 2023 4:43 PM

2023-10-13T16:43:35-04:00

I have asked you 7 times to change my rant to SSG instead of SP6. I was an 11B4H,55D4H. What do I have to do to get you guys to change this.

Response by CSM Vern Pratt made Oct 16 at 2023 3:36 PM

2023-10-16T15:36:10-04:00

Listen closely, if you consider any non-combat arms service or service-members "POGs" then you young Soldier are a problem, the type of problem Sergeant's Major love to correct.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2023 1:31 PM

2023-10-18T13:31:22-04:00

No, in order for you to get a CIB you have to hold the MOS or be MOSQ (kinda the same thing) while under hostile fire in a hostile area and return fire. we had a few 19K in our rotation 22-23 who was awarded CAB while in an infantry unit.

Response by SFC Allen Murphy made Oct 25 at 2023 4:46 PM

2023-10-25T16:46:52-04:00

No.

Response by SGT Christopher Sigafoos made Nov 5 at 2023 2:24 PM

2023-11-05T14:24:48-05:00

No, the CAB is NOT a CIB. They are different awards with different requirements. AR600-8-22 will have all the details. Remember, the requirements must be met at the time the award is presented.

Response by CPT Barry Naum made Nov 14 at 2023 2:42 PM

2023-11-14T14:42:21-05:00

I'm so glad to see everyone piling on the stupid nickname. Here's a hint: if they have a CAB, they aren't a POG. And since everyone is eligible for it, there are no POGs.

Response by SSG Mark Brown made Nov 14 at 2023 8:41 PM

2023-11-14T20:41:30-05:00

Who ever asked this question is a pog… ABSOLUTELY NOT

Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Nov 16 at 2023 11:52 PM

2023-11-16T23:52:53-05:00

My unit in Iraq was a conglomeration of people from different units & MOSs. We were combat arms converted to combat MPs. Many of our people were infantry, tankers, & even medics. We all got CABs. We were not in an infantry role. Our medics did medical work under fire. No CMB for them. Our grunts got no CIBs. Unless regs have changed, the duty MOS determines what badge one gets.

Response by SSG Carmelo Rodriguez made Nov 18 at 2023 10:10 AM

2023-11-18T10:10:26-05:00

No! CAB is nothing like a CIB, smelling the shyt and being in the shyt is two different things

Response by COL Andrew Burns made Nov 18 at 2023 1:17 PM

2023-11-18T13:17:27-05:00

The SM has to be assigned to an Infantry position. We had a RACO unit from Arizona with which we RIP/TOA'd with in Iraq 2004 on LSA Anaconda. They were Infantry guys but in non-infantry slots. They went to UR (of the Caldians(sp) for you historians) and they stated that they took and returned fire as Infantrymen....thus awarding themselves the CIB. When they returned to the States, they were stripped of them and were the Theater laughing-stocks.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2023 7:40 AM

2023-11-19T07:40:15-05:00

No, they are two entirely different awards.
Awards don't convert to a different award, even if they serve a similar "title".
The CAB can be worn when the servicemember reclassifies to 11B, but I'd suggest not saying your CAB is the same thing as a CIB while in the Infantry community, it's a topic that the 11B is passionate about due to the historics of why the CAB award was created.

YMMV

Chris sends

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 19 at 2023 10:47 AM

2023-11-19T10:47:54-05:00

Absolutely not

Response by Cpl George Matousek made Jan 1 at 2024 12:34 PM

2024-01-01T12:34:56-05:00

Why not if you earned it wear it. Semper Fi

Response by SPC Michael Tierney made Jan 14 at 2024 4:54 PM

2024-01-14T16:54:23-05:00

What the hell is a CAB? Like a participation trophy for little league?

Response by SGT Nathan Michelson made Jan 16 at 2024 12:43 AM

2024-01-16T00:43:23-05:00

Why embarrass yourself by asking such a silly and disrespectful question on a public website? When you could have simply asked your NCO. Probably because you knew you would be doing push-ups till kingdom come if your NCO had any worth. "POG's" are the ones that feed you. Get you the supplies needed for you to fight. Drag your injured or dead body off the battle field. Fly the helicopters to drop you into the battle, or to bring you back to save your life.
Or in my case for the majority of my career, fix your vehicles and recover them when they are broke down or blown up. And in case you haven't thought it through, as you seem to have a habit of, the enemy knows the vehicles will be recovered. I will let you finish this thought on your own. I completed four deployments, my first being the invasion of Iraq. I don't see a V next to your name, so I imagine you as more of a "POG" then I am. As I am someone who has been mortared more times than I can count; been fired at by bullets that were not blanks and returned fire; and by God's grace with as many recovery missions as I completed, only had my vehicle blown up under me once.
Now would be a good time to learn some respect for the majority of the army. First by eliminating the term POG from your vocabulary.
To answer your question, no, we do not wear the CIB unless our MOS is infantry. Someone wiser than you decided that we should receive an award in recognition of our service and sacrifice's. Your Infantry brother's deserve their award, we deserve ours.

Response by SFC Will Hallstead made Jan 16 at 2024 4:29 PM

2024-01-16T16:29:52-05:00

First of all a POG is a derogatory disgraceful thing to call a fellow Soldier!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2024 10:42 AM

2024-01-17T10:42:44-05:00

No. While in Iraq my convoy was fired at and everyone jn my CET got a CAB except 1 guy who had an Infantry MOS he was awarded the CIB.

Response by CSM Thomas McGarry made Jan 20 at 2024 12:15 PM

2024-01-20T12:15:41-05:00

I think most soldiers realize that if an award isn't annotated in your IPERMS file you are not eligible to display it. For years I had a foreign award that wasn't in my files so thus did not wear it until this was corrected.

Response by COL Carl Jensen made Feb 4 at 2024 1:38 PM

2024-02-04T13:38:54-05:00

A medal earned is a medal worn. When joined the ARNG in the late 60's, an inspecting Major asked what were the medals for. A GCM and NDM????? If it was today, I would have told him, I got them for failing to beat the draft.

Response by MSgt Craig Gauger made Mar 3 at 2024 11:53 PM

2024-03-03T23:53:01-05:00

I was AF, but as far as I understand, all badges are earned. No trades involved. How did this soldier get promoted to Spec 4? Why wouldn't he ask his Sgt., if he didn't know?

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2024 11:43 AM

2024-03-12T11:43:05-04:00

No the CIB is based on your MOS at the date and time the citation was awarded. You would be a new infantry soldier with a CAB.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2024 10:43 AM

2024-03-22T10:43:43-04:00

No.

Awards are not transferable across job descriptions.

Sometimes I don’t understand these forms, because as available as all of the uniform, standards and award standards are online, yet I guess it’s just easier to come on here and ask.

Yes, I am an older generation that didn’t have access to the regulations at the tips of my fingers.

Do you think an infantryman awarded an CIB/EIB would be eligible to where the CAB if he transferred to non combat arms?

I know you’re thinking, “why would he?” But as a tactical intelligence op who proved his worth on the battlefield more than a few times, it’s this kind of crap that gets under my skin.

Maybe I’m reading the disrespect into the question and if so, my apologies.

In my line of work, I had opportunities to support special operations forces, joint forces to include fast mover coordination, asymmetrical warfare and basically all the special types who want to know where enemy radios are and what they are saying.

I can’t say I’ve never encountered it, but most of the special folks were highly appreciate of of the support people around them.

There were a few Rah-rah douche bags, but they were the exception rather than the rule.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2024 11:27 AM

2024-03-22T11:27:46-04:00

I am still in awe of the work our logisticians and transporters did in Iraq. Those same individuals you refer to as POGs, eventually attend SFAS. They bring their skills beyond Small Unit Tactics and they make the Regiment even better than before.

Response by SPC Robert Eberle made Mar 22 at 2024 9:12 PM

2024-03-22T21:12:35-04:00

Absolutely -

Response by SP5 Ronald Clark made Mar 26 at 2024 2:27 PM

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Response by BG Jim Drago made May 16 at 2024 1:50 AM

2024-05-16T01:50:38-04:00

The problem with Super Privates is they think they know what has, and is going on with the Army. Using OIF2 for example, the Division I was in had to task organize the , FA and AR Bdes into trucks and they were kicking doors and running Infantry missions along with cross attached Infantry and vice a versa in the other Bdes. Bigger picture,the HETT units were doing 90 day rotations, 90 days apart. Then getting shot to shit dragging armor from one end of Iraq to the other. Convoy Escort units, which could be ANY type of unit up to an including Air Force or Navy, ran up and down these Hundreds of Kms long Kill Zones called roads, fighting to survive constantly. As the rules are written, only Infantry assigned to Bde or lower can get the CIB(This includes Infantry POGs sitting at Bde level that never left the wire their entire tour). So in light of this, the CAB was developed to recognize the fact that EVERYONE was getting their arse shot at in the original decades years of the GWOT. Only clowns that call Poland or Kuwait a deployment would make fun of it or the person wearing it. Also SPC, I truly hope you and all the other service personnel of our great country NEVER get a chance to earn either. Instead, you prevent conflicts through strength.Edit 2) Yes they would because they are a non 11 series such as a cook, armor etc. Now if they managed to become Inf certified, deployed to a conflict, thenI suspect they would change over to the CIB