SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2305845 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have heard stories of people bringing personal ar15 uppers for use in Iraq and Afghanistan, but have seen no proof that this is allowed. Where could I find the answer or does anyone have an answer for this, its not technically a &quot;modification&quot; to the weapon itself. 2017-02-02T09:47:15-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2305845

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have heard stories of people bringing personal ar15 uppers for use in Iraq and Afghanistan, but have seen no proof that this is allowed. Where could I find the answer or does anyone have an answer for this, its not technically a &quot;modification&quot; to the weapon itself.

2017-02-02T09:47:15-05:00 2017-02-02T09:47:15-05:00 COL John McClellan 2305847

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Did not see the whole question at first - hmmm. Not something I ever saw... What would be the reason for this?

2017-02-02T09:47:48-05:00 2017-02-02T09:47:48-05:00 SPC Ronald Borders 2305862

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why would want too?

2017-02-02T09:50:27-05:00 2017-02-02T09:50:27-05:00 SGM Erik Marquez 2305863

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No,. not even a little bit allowed.<br />Done, sure Im sure it has been.<br /><br />I know of a SGT that took a side arm to a little conflict in Panama once...but authorized it was not...and having to ask your Regimental commander to hand carry it back as he was the only one that was not searched by customs was not a fun request to be made....it was later taken in stride and understood why, with no lasting negative ramifications,,,but that was luck of circumstances...said SGT very well could have been Court Marshaled, demoted and received a BCD instead of having a long and fulfilling service .

2017-02-02T09:50:31-05:00 2017-02-02T09:50:31-05:00 GySgt Bill Smith 2305877

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Is the upper a brand that the government contracts with already? Where are you going to secure your issued upper? Have you spoken to your PS or PL about it. Would it improve your mission capabilities? Or is this just an attempt to be an operator operating operationally?

2017-02-02T09:54:05-05:00 2017-02-02T09:54:05-05:00 LTC Stephen F. 2305882

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I thought that this discussion was about the AR-15 5.56mm rifle <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="1021044" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/1021044-14e-patriot-fire-control-enhanced-operator-maintainer">SGT Private RallyPoint Member</a><br />In times past certain units or individuals were given amphetamines for certain type of operations. <br />Of course individuals have illegally used amphetamines at times. This individual type of illegal use would never be &quot;allowed.&quot;

2017-02-02T09:55:14-05:00 2017-02-02T09:55:14-05:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 2305906

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As an additional question; if I have an ACOG (identical to the army issued one) but a unit only has the aimpoint cco available, am I able to use that instead? Seeing as all marksmanship principles lead to &quot;shooter&#39;s preference&quot;?

2017-02-02T10:01:10-05:00 2017-02-02T10:01:10-05:00 SGM Mikel Dawson 2305924

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What part of no isn&#39;t understood? You&#39;re issued a weapon, got a problem with it, you got an armor, you know that dud who knows the ins and outs of said weapon. Deal with it.

2017-02-02T10:07:19-05:00 2017-02-02T10:07:19-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 2306009

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If there is ANY piece of the weapon that is personally owned and not government issued, that is not authorized. I had a briefing on this when I deployed, but I can&#39;t remember the regulation or ALARACT, so I would contact your OPS NCO at your unit or at your BN. They can certainly clear this up and provide the document

2017-02-02T10:37:59-05:00 2017-02-02T10:37:59-05:00 SGT David T. 2306036

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It violates AR 750-10 &quot;No modification is authorized for an application unless it has an approved MWO number. Commanders will not allow their equipment to be modified unless there is an official MWO.&quot;. <br /><br />It does meet the definition under the regulation as a modification which is defined as &quot;Modification is any alteration, conversion, or modernization of an end item or a component of end item (COEI), which in any way changes or improves the original purpose or operational capacity in relation to effectiveness, efficiency, reliability, or safety of that item. This includes, but is not limited to: conversions; field fixes; retrofits; rebuilds; redesigns; upgrades; extended service programs; engineering changes; software revisions; system enhancement programs; service life extension programs; system improvement programs; product improvement programs; preplanned product improvements; modifications developed and applied by contractors as part of prime vendor support<br />or contractor logistics support (CLS) agreements; horizontal technology integration; continuous technology refreshments (CTRs); technology insertions; and all other terms used to describe modifications as defined above.&quot;<br /><br />At the ranges in which you are able to positively identify a legitimate target, the accuracy of the M16/M4 series is fine. So there isn&#39;t a need for greater accuracy for the average Soldier. A Designated Marksman is a different story, but they have different rifles for that role.

2017-02-02T10:46:06-05:00 2017-02-02T10:46:06-05:00 CPO Private RallyPoint Member 2306141

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t know how the Army does it but I know Marines and Navy have what is called a weapons card that you turn in every time you check weapons out. The Card states you will not do any modifications too your weapons with out the Armors or weapons officers permission. <br /><br />I will also say MISPEC is the big thing.

2017-02-02T11:21:45-05:00 2017-02-02T11:21:45-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 2306211

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am not familiar with the exact regulation on this subject, however, I would not recommend bringing and using such items during a deployment. <br /><br />But, as a gun-guy myself, I do completely understand the desire to do so. As a leader, my biggest concern would be that opening such a door would lead to every Joe Snuffy bringing in wild modifications that could possibly be unsafe or unreliable. I am sure that most everyone here knows enough about basic rifle functions where this wouldn&#39;t be a problem, but there is always that one guy who would ruin it for everyone.<br /><br />I recall an issue in Iraq where one of our Soldiers tried to replace the pistol grip to his rifle, not realizing that the safety selector spring and detent were held in place by it. Luckily our armorer was able to fix his modification for him.

2017-02-02T11:45:21-05:00 2017-02-02T11:45:21-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 2306316

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My dd214, she keeps me so happy. Oh...wait... i re upped... MOTHER FUDGE!?! WHAT THE BLUE BLAZES WAS I THINKING FUUUUDGE

2017-02-02T12:10:06-05:00 2017-02-02T12:10:06-05:00 1SG Al Brown 2306688

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Like everyone and the regs are saying, no is the answer. Soldiers who are not well supervised do it, and there is no upside when it goes wrong. I&#39;ve seen 100 rd circular drum magazines in M4&#39;s that were full of dirt from a lack of cleaning. My head exploded so violently that there were chunks of Soldier ass parts strewn everywhere. The weapon(s) looked cool, but were going to fail miserably when they really, really needed it to work. We all know what happens next.

2017-02-02T13:30:14-05:00 2017-02-02T13:30:14-05:00 SPC Casey Ashfield 2306888

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely not. Something about ice cubes and hell comes to mind. Even personal accessories are of a limited variety. Nothing could change the internals, the hand guards, or the primary/backup sights. I have seen conventional soldiers get away with personal pistol grips, buttstocks, slings, forward grips, and flashlights. But no special firing pins, uppers, sights, triggers etc.

2017-02-02T14:21:48-05:00 2017-02-02T14:21:48-05:00 SSG Tom Pike 2306907

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Stories are just stories. <br /><br /> Only one I know personally was a friend of mine who&#39;s son was sent to Afghanistan fairly early on in our efforts there as a civil affairs soldier stationed at a forward base with lots of SF folks. He was issued an M4 with no optics. Dad was a former Marine Corps Force Recon officer and sent him over a very nice optic. He had the optics on his rifle for a few months until things calmed down enough for the brass to start showing up. He was told to remove the optics because it made him look like a sniper. He packed it up and sent it home.<br /><br />Anything you aren&#39;t issued isn&#39;t allowed on your weapon. Or it is allowed until you get caught.

2017-02-02T14:26:06-05:00 2017-02-02T14:26:06-05:00 SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 2309521

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Being an armorer this was one of the questions we brought up in class. There are certain things we are allowed to improve on and make modifications. We cant mess with receivers, firing pins, bolts as a whole really. All the modifications are at the Units Commanders call but those ones are the big ones. We can play around with optics, foregrips, heatshields and buttstocks (mainly anything external but nothing that affects the actual functioning of the rifles). Even still were supposed to put MWO in to show record that it was altered at some point. I definitely don&#39;t recommend trying to do anything crazy. <br /><br />If wrong I&#39;m hoping someone would correct me but that&#39;s the last I heard of anything on that subject.

2017-02-03T11:53:14-05:00 2017-02-03T11:53:14-05:00 CSM Richard StCyr 2310109

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This was specifically addressed as a &quot;NO GO&quot; by policy letter prior to our deployment rotation in 05-07

2017-02-03T15:27:49-05:00 2017-02-03T15:27:49-05:00 CSM Private RallyPoint Member 2310127

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Under that modification argument if anyone ever used tape to secure the straps on their ruck instead of the rubber bungee keepers that it comes with is guilty of violating this. I think it&#39;s important to keep common sense in play. I&#39;ve seen numerous &#39;modifications&#39; to rifles over the course of my deployments. This seems one of those don&#39;t ask don&#39;t tell kind of things and is on a case by case basis. I wouldn&#39;t let one of my special cases change anything.<br /><br />As long as one isn&#39;t dead set on bringing the upper home (as it&#39;s not technically a firearm so who knows what customs will do) then the worst case is you lose a few hundred bucks. That being said, I&#39;d not advise changing things drastically as yours and your teammates lives could depend on that rifle. <br /><br />That being all said also, if anyone ever handed me a 20&quot; M16 that I had to carry for a 15+ month deployment, I&#39;d be quite tempted to swap that upper for a 14.5&quot; one.

2017-02-03T15:34:57-05:00 2017-02-03T15:34:57-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 2311352

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Sounds like an easy way to get arrested.....does not sound smart to me. The Army provides you a weapon use that one.

2017-02-03T23:54:14-05:00 2017-02-03T23:54:14-05:00 MSgt Cayle Harris 2328104

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would rather use and wear-out the government&#39;s equipment than stuff I spent my hard earned pay check on.

2017-02-09T23:20:25-05:00 2017-02-09T23:20:25-05:00 CW5 Jack Cardwell 3280705

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is an unauthorised modification. Any changes to the serial number item is an modification. If it came to my shop for repair you would receive it came in original issue configuration minus any unauthorised part.

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