Is it appropriate to use the term "Battle" when referring to leaders?

2014-12-31T09:52:58-05:00

When did the term "battle" become a term to describe a fellow leader? What do you think of it? Is it professional or unprofessional?

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 9:51 AM

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I'm so sick of that stupid term. That and "warrior" can both get lost!!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 9:52 AM

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I first heard it here at Ft Jackson used by Drill Sergeants, but don't find it very useful.
When I first came into the Army the term was "Ranger Buddy" but we never shortened it to "Ranger" just either used the entire term or none at all.
Seems to me that Battle Buddy may be a way to go away from Ranger Buddy for some reason.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 9:55 AM

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It's better than being called "troop".

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 9:56 AM

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It's somewhat new to me, SFC Private RallyPoint Member. I don't think it's unprofessional, but I'm not "in the mix" any more, so I'm not 100% sure. I see it as a sort of term of endearment, something like Troop or Soldier, etc. It's just the new version of those terms, I guess. Am I right, Battle?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 10:00 AM

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Not a huge fan of the word.....but I don't see anything wrong with it's use.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 10:14 AM

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on another note...where did that image come from?

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Dec 31 at 2014 10:22 AM

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I used the term "Battle" frequently with my fellow Drill Sergeants and a few other NCOs; It was short for battle buddy. It was used as a show of respect between leaders. We were in the circle, training, fight, "battle", or whatever together. My battle had my back and I had his, we were essentially saying we count on each other. NEVER, would I call anybody a Battle I didn't respect and carry the upmost regard for

Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Dec 31 at 2014 10:29 AM

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I first heard the term in BCT at Ft. Leonard Wood back in '92, and the whole term "battle Buddy" makes sense in that environment. We were all dumb ad young and needed each other to make sure we survived.

After BCT, I don't think it is needed. By the time you graduate, and even more so if you deploy, you should already know we have to buddy up and take care of each other.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Dec 31 at 2014 10:32 AM

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I heard it among some of the drills at Ft Knox back in 2000, but never really anywhere else in the Army...unless someone was making a joke.

Response by SSG Daniel Rosploch made Dec 31 at 2014 11:15 AM

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Some idiot some where wanted to evoke a sense of team in the class he/she was overseeing, and decided to have everyone refer to each other as battle buddies, which got shortened to "battle" by a couple of grunts poking fun at the term and attempting to mock it, when out of nowhere, a POG caught wind of the shortened term and fell in love with it and had it tattooed across parts of the body that shall remain unmentioned and upon returning to their unit, made a speech about all the awesome things they did and learned in leadership class and made it a mandatory term in their unit to force team work and it spread like the nasty virus that it is. True, story, bro....

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 11:14 AM

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I'm guessing this is the Army's version of "shipmate." Nothing good ever followed that phrase.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 11:24 AM

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I don't use it, but I don't think it is unprofessional, I think it is a way to describe someone that it is more than your brother, somebody that will give his or her life for your

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 12:36 PM

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I primarily work with Air Force and Cadets and they rarely use the term. However, I think the Army's intent and usage came not only from Basic Trainings, where you are supposed to have a "buddy system," but also as a way of looking at Suicide Prevention. To me, it means someone who has your back - not out of obligation, job, rank, or duty, but out of genuine care or concern.

Thus, when I use the term (usually only with my NCOIC, or another leader I feel close to and fully trust) I'm saying, "I would go to war with you gladly" "You've got my back, and I've got yours"
So if someone found that insulting or unprofessional, then I guess they were no "Battle Buddy" of mine. :)

Here's a great article about it as well.
http://www.wood.army.mil/engrmag/PDFs%20for%20May-Aug%2010/Dunz.pdf

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 12:56 PM

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It's not an overused term in my small neck of the woods. "Battle" to me is a term of endearment. It is a term that someone called me or vice versa out of shear respect and admiration. You truly only have one "battle."

Any term can be unprofessional - based on how you say it. Professionalism is how you exude yourself; not always in the words you use to express your point.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 1:02 PM

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It's not unprofessional at all, it denotes camaraderie and good will between Senior NCOs. But in the big scheme of things does it really matter? We as Seniors have more important things to worry about.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Dec 31 at 2014 1:23 PM

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I couldn't stand someone calling me "battle", just sounded asinine...grew out of basic training units if I am not mistaken where new Soldiers had to go everywhere with there battle-buddy, and it spun out of control from there IMO.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Dec 31 at 2014 1:32 PM

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Agreed. Soldier, Troop, anything but that. Growing up they called me "!@#$$%" and my feelings didn't matter. I turned out just fine...lol

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 2:06 PM

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This is pop culture mixing with military culture. Instead of being a bestie you are a battle. When I first heard this I had to ask what they were talking about. I found it to be silly. It doesn't really sound professional at all. It is like calling someone "Bae" instead of "Baby" or calling your supervisor "Sup" instead of their correct title.

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Dec 31 at 2014 2:07 PM

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I never heard the word "battle" used alone to refer to an individual.
Perhaps it stems from the term "battle buddy", which was used at the time I was in the Army.
Used alone, it sounds dumb to me.
Just my take on it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 2:13 PM

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If I were Sergeant Major of The Army for a day, I would abolish the words "Battle" (also the form "Battle Buddy"...lame), "Saarn't", "Sarge", and "Hooah". I think that there are sufficient nouns and adjectives in the English language to get by without bastardizing words, or misusing words for the sake of sounding "cool" or "trendy". The current usage of "battle" is grammatically incorrect and thereby makes the individual sound ignorant and unprofessional.

Response by SFC Josh Jackson made Dec 31 at 2014 2:24 PM

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I don't know; I think it's sometimes appropriate for peers. For me, it's a tell. If I like one of my peers (and circumstances are informal) I call you 'Battle'. If I don't like you, I call you by your rank.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 3:40 PM

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Call me anything you like, just don't say or spell my name wrong....

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 3:40 PM

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I have always thought it was silly, okay dumb of the Army using battle all the time.
I apologize now if I offened anyone or stepped on your toes just my cheap .02

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 3:41 PM

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I prefer 'BOOT' when appropriate, 'Leather' when seasoned, and 'Geezer' when you've been in way past your prime. Or should this be posted on the PC forum?

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 4:00 PM

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Battle buddy -- Battle for short is probably where there is coming from...I prefer 'BB', which could also mean Beer Buddy, Best Buddy, or Big Butt!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 4:17 PM

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It's General Odierno's fault! Here he is using the term... I knew it was a Star's fault.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNuOa5UtHzw

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 4:23 PM

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I don't see anything wrong with it. I look at it as a term of respect and to let you know, I got your back. I use it all the time with my peers.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 5:48 PM

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Honestly is all part of Army culture, it doesn't matter if you liked or not you just have to deal with it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 11:59 PM

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I selected “Dumb” in the poll. It’s annoying as hell.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 3:36 AM

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I hate the term "battle". I think it's retarded. I don't hear it used a lot by infantryman, I think it's a POG thing, and it's extremely dumb. People have names, lets use them.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 3:37 AM

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Army definition of "Battle"

Battle – A set of related engagements that lasts longer and involves larger forces than an
engagement. See also campaign; engagement; major operation. (FM 3-0)

Maybe I will start calling my CO "Cap" instead. That is about the same logic.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 4:00 AM

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Come on battle. Don't be like that.

It's a lot better than that proposed 'warrior companion'. Personally I don't use the term battle or battle buddy that often.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 5:35 AM

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I use it in conversation with my fellow SFCs. My OIC uses it all the time when talking to me or referring to me to others. I don't see an issue with it and it demonstrates to others that we have each other's back.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 7:34 AM

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To me, it is one of the highest forms of praise from a fellow SM. Although we should be able to trust all SMs out there to have our back, for someone to call you "battle" buddy, to me that means they trust you completely and know that you have their back when needed.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 2:40 PM

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I believe that an NCO can call another NCO "battle", or a lower enlisted can call another lower enlisted " battle". But for a lower enlisted to call an NCO "battle", shows disrespect or a NCO calling a lower enlisted "battle" shows weakness in their ability to lead.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 6:24 PM

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I think it's corny, but I don't have an issue with it. It's part of the Army vocabulary, so we have to get used to it

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 6:25 PM

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Battle Buddha. Might as well become girl scouts

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 6:30 PM

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And Warrior can gtfo

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 8:24 PM

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I'd rather be called an asshole.

Response by SGT Anthony Gomez made Jan 1 at 2015 11:03 PM

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"Battle" is common Army jargon. In basic training soldiers are constantly told to have a battle buddy. Everywhere you go your buddy needs to be with you. This teaches soldiers one very important concept, you never want to be alone. Always have a battle buddy with you to watch your back in any situation it doesn't matter what or where. This term is part of Army life!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 11:21 PM

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Im just gonna say My opinion...... soft term for a slowly softening force

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 2 at 2015 12:59 AM

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To me the term battle is some one I trust with my life. He is the person standing next to me when we travel into combat. The term battle is short for battle buddy. He is the person that will have my back no matter what. I rarely use the term battle unless I have known the person a long time and have grown close to them or have been to a combat area with them

Response by SFC Karl Knight made Jan 3 at 2015 12:39 PM

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It's has become a term of professional endearment to those with whom you serve to signify your recognition of common bond to help one another at any given time. ONE TEAM! ONE FIGHT! "BATTLE"

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2015 2:27 PM

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I rather be call by my rank or name. Always making things more dificult that they need to be. KISS. keep it simple stupid.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Jan 3 at 2015 2:29 PM

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It's just one of those TRADOC things we forced down Privates throats so hard we accidentally made it a common, though obnoxious part of our culture...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2015 3:43 PM

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In basic training you will be assigned to a battle buddy. The two of you will do everything together, and most importantly be responsible for each other. Just like in combat you guys have to look out for one another. This battle buddy could be your best friend or your worst enemy depending on how you approach the relationship.

Another aspect of "Battle Buddy" is how it related to suicide. A "Battle" who is there today, could save you from doing the unspeakable.

Even when you are discharged from the military and Uncle Sam seems to have forgotten you, your battle buddies are still there. After leaving the military, many veterans try to find some sense of normalcy. But nothing can change what has happened to you. You have changed, and you will never be the same person again.Your battle buddies know that, and they are still there usually just a phone call, email or Facebook or here on RP.

I don't think everyone can be your 'Battle', just those select few you know that without a doubt, have your back no matter what. Blood is thicker than water and you don't have to be related to each other for that to apply.

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made Jan 3 at 2015 6:47 PM

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Forced to use it in IET for a movement drill, since then I refuse to use it. It has always sounded childish and ridiculous to me.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2015 6:46 PM

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This is what I have to say. It is professional in the envornment that we are in. Lower enlisted call the lower enlisted battle as so the no and senior NCOs call each other battles. What's not professional is when a junior enlisted is calling and nco or senior nco their battle. Last time I checked the Corps of NCOs is for NCOs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2015 8:30 PM

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This term may start out in basic as something meaningless, but when you have served during hard times with someone you care about, this word "battle" and the way in which it is used takes on a whole new meaning. Battle is a term of endearment to someone you would do anything for and you know would do anything for you. I actually only joined this website because I felt that this is a ridiculous question and the fact that it was actually asked leads me to believe that the person who asked it has never had "that type" of battle buddy that the word battle meant something between the both of you. It actually hurt my heart a little. My real battles know who they are and when I call them battle, it is a brief exchange that encompasses a great depth of meaning.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2015 8:53 PM

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I would rather be called by rank and name, but don't see anything damning about "battle". I've generally got bigger issues to deal with, no disrespect. Fairly used to hearing that term to demonstrate a point that we rely on one another. It's a term easily understood by Soldiers. Anyone that desires to be understood should speak to the audience in the way the audience understands. If battle gets the point across, so be it. I think "friend" would be less professional.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Jan 4 at 2015 12:27 AM

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I chose "who cares". Whinging about the stupidest shit ever. Let's face it -- there are a lot of terms that come and go in the military, and a lot of them are stupid.

I don't use the term now, and I never will. This is a term that apparently came into regular use after my time. We called each other "troop", "soldier", or rank-and-name if we didn't know the person. On a personal level, if I don't know you, you aren't my "battle". If you don't know me, don't call me your "battle". You can call me "Tim".

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Jan 4 at 2015 12:25 AM

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I'll stick with "brother" when referring to peers I deployed with. "Battle" isn't a Marine thing anyway, but we do have "Devil", which I've never used in a non-ironic way.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 12:40 AM

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Coming over from the Marine Corps, it seemed retarded. But then I became very close with some fellow soldiers and it started to make, at the very least, a little sense as a term of endearment. What I really can't stand is hearing Soldiers, whom have not deployed nor seen battle, being called warrior or killer when neither term has been earned nor deserved. Some of these Soldiers will never see battle yet they are being called "Killer."
After a while, it just became laughable and I stopped caring. It's still comical at times but I try to worry about more important stuff like upcoming deployments, finances, taking care of my family, etc.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 12:58 AM

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I came in the Army and they were using this term. However I use it when I see someone as my equal. If someone is in the Army just Soaking up a pay check then I got nothing for you.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 1:47 AM

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I hate it. I've always hated it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 5:38 AM

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I personally believe the term "battle" is a term used for someone who I am willing to go to war with and ensure that I have there 6 and they have mine as well. We don't have friends in this profession because we simply cannot trust everyone but when you trust someone enough to bring you back home and to use their weapons and professionaly carry out the mission that makes you my battle buddy!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 6:10 AM

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It is a term short for 'battle buddy'. As Army terms go, it is okay though a bit informal for my tastes.

Response by Sgt Kelly Overmyer made Jan 4 at 2015 8:23 AM

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Never heard of it. But.....that was over 20yrs ago too

Response by MSG Jimmy Caldwell made Jan 4 at 2015 8:49 AM

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battle buddy

Response by SPC Earl Gold made Jan 4 at 2015 11:39 AM

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If I call you battle that cuz you are. If not I won't be calling you that.And could never see myself addressing a Superior or subordinate that way

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 12:46 PM

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You know, that term doesn't bother me. It is used between close relationships and peers. The one that I cannot stand is calling 1SG "Top". Once the Soldiers hear the seniors use it, they think it is fair game.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 2:00 PM

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i used to be against it. but why? why did it really matter. like people that say, "I SAY HOOAH" argh!!! it used to get me bad. but i had a great mentor tell me, if a soldier likes it, it doesnt hurt anyone, and it motivates them, who the f are you to take that away from them? you are being a toxic leader by robbing them of something motivational. bear down, Battle Buddy, it may piss you off, but it makes them happy. and that should be your primary focus.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2015 2:56 PM

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Here's an idea, stop whining over little crap that doesn't mean anything. Terms such as this have been around the Army for many years. Long before us and long after us. Get over it. Move on and do what we are all paid to do, which is train lead and mentor our subordinates to be better leaders than we are. I see this crap all the time and it is saddening that so many people care more about this than what's most important in our line of work. In case you don't know what it is I'll tell you. It is training our juniors the right way "regardless of terms used" to accomplish missions and tasks we are given and to prepare them for the future. Since when did the Army become so liberal and soft that little terms like this bother us. I mean seriously people. Soldier up!

Response by 1SG Kenny Molina made Jan 4 at 2015 2:55 PM

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When I was in this term was only used by fellow Drill Sergeants. The term is short for battle buddy.

Response by SPC David Cartwright made Jan 4 at 2015 10:26 PM

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It's a freaking term of endearment... Complain about serious issues and pull the stick outta your asses!

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Jan 4 at 2015 11:06 PM

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I think many changes have come and gone in all branches and remember when we used to use "battle Buddy" a lot. I never really minded that but if its gotten as bad as depicted here then it needs to change.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 7:43 AM

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I never use it.

Response by SPC Joel Kaufman made Jan 5 at 2015 10:54 AM

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I knew all 136 people I worked with by name and would refer to them by name (and rank when outranked), it was just a more personal touch. 'Battle' just seemed a little lazy and detached.

Response by SGT Clayton Ward made Jan 5 at 2015 11:06 AM

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"Battle" and the word "HOAH", are the two gayest words the Army has.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 12:07 PM

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Don't like it, use it to make a joke.
Is like the word Hooah yes, it could be for motivation purposes. But hate when you make a question and the answer is Hooah. I will be like what the hell you mean? Lets use big words.
I feel when troops use it is like little kids saying it.

Response by PFC Jason Shibley made Jan 5 at 2015 12:55 PM

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calling someone battle is a term of endearment between you and a friend it is a way to identify someone for yourself as a friend

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 3:02 PM

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We need to get back to the Basics, and stop the madness. Stop calling everyone "Battle Buddy" get to calling them Soldiers, and get back to calling them by their ranks and last name. Be Professionals, be Leaders do you jobs stop the whining about he/she called me "Private" or some other name. Get over it, once you finish Basic Training and Advance Training you are no longer and recruit you are a Soldier in the US Army whether it is Active Duty side or in the USAR side of the house. You are still a Soldier so act like it and be one a SOLDIER. just my 2 cents, SGM Kurt Miller, US Army, retired, 28 years, OIF/OEF

Response by SSG Jayne Reed made Jan 5 at 2015 3:03 PM

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It's cute. I never did cute. I also never called a 1SG "Top", a company commander the "Old Man", or an executive officer "XO" or "LT".

But I never wasted any time or energy getting bent out of shape about it.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 3:17 PM

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I have only heard this for the first time this year.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 3:57 PM

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I do not know when the term "battle" became a term to describe a fellow Soldier or leader, but when I first heard it I thought it was dumb (putting it lightly). If you want to be professional address them by their rank and/or last name. If you are friends with them, then address them by their first name. Also the term Warrior to describe every Soldier is very annoying. Why do Soldiers need another term to describe themselves other than just as Soldiers?

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 4:58 PM

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To me its usually short for battle buddy, i used the word alot in basic training

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 5:29 PM

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Don't we have more pressing issues?

Response by SPC John Decker made Jan 5 at 2015 5:54 PM

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I got out long before it came into existence. If everybody uses it in the same context, then I say "go ahead". If it's being used under varied circumstances, it becomes one more way to separate people.

Response by SGT Javier Silva made Jan 5 at 2015 7:36 PM

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First, as an NCO I do not believe in calling my peers 'battle'. You will never hear me call a lower or senior enlisted member such either, and even officers. Yes, 'battle' is short for 'battle buddy'. If that term were to disappear, I wouldn't miss it.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 8:39 PM

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This is the same BS as people who complain about being called a private Instead of private first class or staff sergeant instead of Sergeant Are you that easily offened that the word battle bothers you? Find better things to do then worry about this and if this bothers you that much you should not Re-enlist when that time comes.
That is all carry on

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 5 at 2015 11:28 PM

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This is a term used by DS if you don't care then you don't know

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 5:49 AM

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I thin it isn't necessarily a "bad/unprofessional" term.....but I do however really hate that everyone is to some degree mandated in almost any forum to refer to other Soldiers as "Battle" or Warrior". The term or name "Warrior" is dumb!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 6:09 AM

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I think the army should be more focused on fixing "leadership".

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 7:42 AM

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I'm pretty sure everyone has heard of "Battle Buddy", yea? It's just a short version of that; usually only used between friends within the military.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 10:24 AM

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Personally, I only use it to refer to the one and only person that I honestly trust with my life. But the fact that it is used so often that it's now "slang" is pretty dumb. I think that "Battle" and "Warrior" are terms that shouldn't be used in a professional setting. Any other time, go for it.

Response by SGT Anthony Troost made Jan 6 at 2015 11:18 AM

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The only people that should be calling me anything like that should be people I've actually fought with... I'm sorry but if a Fobbit or some body who has never deployed called me that I would get seriously pissed.

Response by SGT Matthew Dierking made Jan 6 at 2015 11:33 AM

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I don't like the term Battle that is used generally or derogatory. I have one "true" Battle and even though I've been out for three years and him a couple now, we still call each other Battle and will until we die. This is the only appropriate time to call someone Battle. Someone who really has been and is your Battle Buddy from a tough time and deployment.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 11:30 AM

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Who cares? If you don't like it don't use it...simple right?

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 12:18 PM

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I'm still new to the military but I don't think any of the name calling is very professional. As an E4 I get called "Soldier" E4 and below Reference around my station. It annoys me, we're all soldiers from E1 all the way up the chain officers and warrants alike. We all fight for the same country. We're all battle buddies. I don't care if I know who you are or not if your wearing our flag I'll have your back in any situation we end up in throught our careers. If you try and discriminate who your battles are or not I don't want to fight by your side cause I don't know maybe your just as well of shooting me in the back as you are our enemy. We all have names and rank for a reason USE IT!!!

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 12:29 PM

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From my understanding the slang is between individuals who'd be considered "peers" and thus be expected to be directly looking out for you and having your back in a personal sense. Your junior enlisted guys (Hi. Over here.) will look out for you, but we're not your buddy. So your fellow leadership in your peer group could very well be your "battles" if you have that kind of close relationship.

Personally I think most of the shit you Army guys say is kinda weird, so I don't see how this is different. :P

Response by SPC Holly Reynolds made Jan 6 at 2015 1:13 PM

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I never liked that term, either. I grew up around the Army, but I'd have to say I came into the "new" Army.

I agree that it sounds unprofessional.

I understood the term when being used by leadership to designate "This is a task for two soldiers, don't leave your buddy in this situation"...but, not as a title.

There was one "nickname" that I DID appreciate when I was Active. As a medic, being called "Doc" gave me great pride. It meant that the troops I was in charge of caring for trusted me.

Other than that, I preferred simply being called by my last name or by my rank.

I have been out for 6 years next month. I socialize on a regular basis with my old PA (and later CO) and several of my previous 1st Sergeants. They get irritated at me all the time for referring to them as "Sir" or "1st Sgt". I just can't seem to do it. It feels wrong.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 1:56 PM

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I'm in the Air Force, so I'm not really familiar with the "battle" term. Usually, we use "wing man".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 2:04 PM

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As my old CSM once said if your not in combat its "Peace Partner" Dummy

Response by SFC Leonel Hernandez made Jan 6 at 2015 3:01 PM

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Battle is a word you use when someone has your back and you have someone's back, through thick and thin this is a brotherhood word DEAL WITH IT!!!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 3:10 PM

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It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. It sounds unprofessional and gimmicky, very tired of hearing it used. Rarely do I hear it in combat arms though.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2015 6:31 PM

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To me its a term of a endearment to a close fellow soldier

Response by SPC Stewart Smith made Jan 6 at 2015 9:06 PM

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Haha. Glad to see this is still going on.
About a decade ago, I feel so old, my fellow privates and myself started calling each other 'battle' because our drill sergeants always made us have a 'battle buddy'. This leaked into my AIT because a lot of us went to the same AIT. And then whe nI got to my first duty station I was nervous, obviously. Later on I saw a guy I was in AIT with and yelled 'battttlleee' and it sort of took off. Started saying it to my fellow soldiers. It was all in good fun.

Now I know we didn't stat it because I heard a couple drills saying it before, but I can say it swept my unit. Everyone seemed to enjoy it. Why can't you?

Response by SPC Paul Davis made Jan 6 at 2015 10:08 PM

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That was a term the di used in basic. I never used it while I was in (88-96).we used nick names. Personally I wouldn't use it. The brotherhood is much deeper than words. Use what keeps you clicking together as a team.

Response by PFC Jose Sanchez made Jan 7 at 2015 1:56 AM

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Never seem to grow attached to the term "battle" I guess because a soldier from basic with a high pitch voice constantly used the word like it was going out of style.

Response by MSG Chad Smith made Jan 7 at 2015 9:19 AM

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It's your Army too. Call Joe what you are comfortable with as long as you are professional and within Army historically correct terms.
Airborne!

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2015 12:04 PM

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It depends on who says it. I do not use the term. However, the only time i would find it acceptable to use is between immediate team mates.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2015 3:58 PM

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I understand the premise of it but all together believe that the use has become more akin to "hoohah" than its actual meaning.
Soldiers will bond the way that fits that specific group. I personally do not hold "battle" in any regard. I much prefer to use brother or sister because it brings an inherent sense of family with it.
In my opinion, Battle Buddy is just a term created by an individual in the Army looking for a bullet. I have nothing to back that up with tho.

Response by PO2 Christopher Morehouse made Jan 7 at 2015 7:32 PM

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I was never in the Army, so I am unfamiliar with this specific term. However, I assume it is similar to the use of "shipmate" in the Navy, and "devil dog" in the Marines. To be honest, I didn't mind devil dog so much as I minded shipmate. But, I believe it is mostly due to the usage. I heard shipmate thrown around primarily by senior enlisted as a PC alternative to "Hey, you!" in an attempt to get a sailor's attention just before a scolding/dumb question/being voluntold for something. It was also used by those diggits who loved to emulate their favorite khaki. So, I naturally came to dislike its usage. "Devil dog," however, was used with much more balance across the ranks. It was used as a term of endearment just as often as "Hey, shit for brains!" As such, I never really minded it. Plus, the story behind devil dog is infinitely cooler than shipmate, and for that matter, battle.

In the end, I'm sure it boils down to similar personal experiences for people as to if they like or dislike the term.

Response by PFC Jerrentaj Watson made Jan 7 at 2015 8:09 PM

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The term "battle" I've never personally used I've just recently heard it used in the past but never had a reason to use it . I don't really like it to be honest but I don't mind it's use even directed towards me the terms I'm more familiar with and fond of are "killer" "high speed" and the many nicknames we personally give each other through out training and deployments. But let's no forget the good ol basic training favorite "dick" maybe not all drill sgts used this term but mine sure did. But hey it's nothing to sweat, being called a battle we all know what is meant and why so even if not liked still shouldnt bother someone. It's a brother in arms wether you served with or not get mad if a civi calls you battle not an actual fucking battle. That is all

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2015 9:58 AM

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I only have one battle and we came through the trenches together. We were placed in a team as privates and now that I am an NCO we address each other by tank and last name around the troops as military bearing dictates. But outside of normal working hours or in a relaxed state he is still my battle! *Guy saved my as on more than one occasion*

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2015 12:08 PM

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If I refer to anyone as 'battle' or 'battle buddy', it is because they have earned that right to be called such. A battle buddy is Soldier, or service member, that you can rely on and trust to cover your back in all situations. I really am concerned when the respect of a term like 'battle' is getting lost. Earning my friend's and Soldier's confidence that they may call me 'battle' is the assurance that I'm doing my job.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Jan 8 at 2015 12:25 PM

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Truth be told this must have come out more after I ETS'd in 2004.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 8 at 2015 2:16 PM

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Last time I can recall hearing it, it was only used between myself and a very small group of my immediate peers while deployed.

In keeping with professional standards, it has it's time and place.

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jan 9 at 2015 12:29 AM

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When I was a Senior Drill Sergeant/Drill Sergeant it was custom because of the tight network duty. No matter where you go as a Drill Sergeant or Rank " We are known as BATTLE" We are known to work in 2-4 Soldier group per platoon.

Short for Battle Buddy. A term used in the US Army to describe a good friend, someone you would trust with your life, and team mate in a military unit

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jan 11 at 2015 10:37 PM

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I don't take it as insult. I have been called "Battle" a few times.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2015 4:21 PM

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Battle is pretty much the only title of address used on the trail as a Drill Sergeant. I'm not sure how it escaped the confines of TRADOC.... At any rate, if I'm working with a peer, someone who knows me, Battle is an acceptable title of address. If it's someone I don't know from Bob on the street, you better not call me Battle.

I guess it comes down to who it is you're talking to. It's very similar to how the Field Artillery (and other branches) use "Top" as a respectful title of address for a First Sergeant that we actually respect. If you're in a FA unit, and you're called First Sergeant, it's usually cause you've pissed off you guys, or you flat out told them not to call you Top. And don't get me started on Gunny, Chief, or Smoke....

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 5 at 2015 8:49 AM

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Good idea, could use a much better name though

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2015 4:11 AM

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It is another Army "ism" that really, REALLY, doesn't matter. It is people complaining for the sake of complaining. If you don't like it... TELL THE OTHER PERSON YOU DON'T LIKE IT. It is that simple.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2015 6:03 AM

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I think it's immature and stupid. When I hear someone say "my battle," I actually think that the person is or was engaged in combat.

When I hear "Battle Buddy" I think of this stupid doll for boys that was introduced in the 80s (the era of the sensitive man)

Response by SSG Steven Borders made Mar 26 at 2015 1:56 PM

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The only time I use it is when I am talking to my close friends. Other than that it does not get used. It is better than saying battle buddy in my opinion.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 3:51 PM

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Although I am no longer in the service, I still use that term with those that I have served along side. I have said it to a couple of Senior NCO's since I have been out, they just laugh. But seriously if something this miniscule bothers you, then I seriously feel sorry for you. It's not that big of a deal anyways.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 3:53 PM

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This term, Warrior, and just about every other turn phrase adopted in the last 7-10 years are just plain dumb. More the half the people I hear use the term battle couldn't be trusted to hold their end with TIC...
Calling someone a warrior, or whatever, doesn't make it so. You can't make a Athenian a Spartan with a name. You have to put them through the Spartan training, make them live the culture, and try them by the same trials every other Spartan had to go through to get the name.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 5:02 PM

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Term of endearment. Nothing to see here, if you don't like it, politely ask not to be referred to by this monicker. Charlie Mike.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 5:33 PM

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I've never liked the term.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2015 5:38 PM

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I relate it to bud, brother, or any other term to signify friendship in this profession of arms. It is gender neutral and appropriate if I know the person.

Response by SFC Charles W. Robinson made Mar 26 at 2015 6:27 PM

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It is no different than the term "Top" for 1SG.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2015 12:41 PM

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Its a term of enderment, if you don't like it say so.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Mar 29 at 2015 3:06 AM

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No idea... I never used battle or battle buddy... That is not what I considered my 1SG, CSMs etc... That is your partner in BCT or OST.

Response by SGT Matthew Robinson made Apr 1 at 2015 2:23 PM

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I agree with some that it's just a term signifiying a connection between professionals. I certainly don't think that it's a negative phrase.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 9:43 PM

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The term should only be used among PVTs in basic training.

Response by SGT Hector Rojas, AIGA, SHA made Apr 4 at 2015 11:00 PM

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If General Odierno can call the SMA his "battle", then that is all the approval and "professional thumbs up" I can ask for to use it myself with my own "battles".

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 9:47 AM

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I think it is an acceptable familiar term between peers.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 11:31 AM

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I see nothing wrong with it among peers. If you go around throwing it out at Soldiers you don't know, then you'll likely run into issues.

Response by SFC Jeff L. made Apr 10 at 2015 11:33 AM

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You encourage what you allow. Don't like it? Ask to be referred to by your rank/name. Don't want to speak up for risk of offending or sounding petty? Then be quiet and drive on Battle.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 20 at 2015 12:47 AM

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I've always hated the term 'battle buddy.' There's no better way to make me feel less like a soldier than refer to me or my team in that way.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Oct 13 at 2015 9:38 AM

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I get that it is short for "Battle Buddy" but I don't like it. Call me by my rank or rank and name. It is like walking around calling people by there position. Hey Platoon Leader, Hey Team Leader. Just doesn't fit to me.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2015 12:15 PM

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Just call me "Bro".

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Oct 13 at 2015 12:18 PM

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I have seen and heard it used, but to me, it just seems unprofessional, impersonal, and lazy. I can see where it would be used in a familiar circumstance, but it does not set a positive example for the jr. enlisted.

Response by SGT Martin Mundo made Oct 13 at 2015 2:00 PM

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When I went through basic training in 1999 and SIT, we always had to have a "battle buddy"! We were told is was to protect trainees and drill sergeants from doing the wrong thing or getting into a bad situation. I remember a few people call others battle, I thought it was short for battle buddy.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2015 5:58 PM

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Well if your talking to a peer I think it is just fine. Better to say battle then hey dude or her man in front of soldiers

Response by SGT Alicia Brenneis made Dec 28 at 2015 5:49 PM

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The only time I used the term(as far as I remember ) was when asking "where/who is your battle / battle buddy?" . Usually when the soldier was supposed to have someone with them, like AIT or basic training soldiers. I've heard the term used widely but it never bothered me.

Response by SSG Rob Kumpf made Dec 28 at 2015 6:58 PM

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It's pretty stupid, and we sound stupid using it... Almost as stupid as we sound complaining about it.

Response by SPC George Adkins made Dec 28 at 2015 7:21 PM

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"Battle" is to the Army as "Synergy" is to the civilian world. An overused term that most cringe when they hear.

Response by SPC Stacey Lowell made Dec 28 at 2015 7:40 PM

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Whatever happened to referring to Senior NCOs by their rank and last name, eh? Battle Buddy sounds like something the Red Army would have done back during the Cold War with the term "Comrade"

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 28 at 2015 9:51 PM

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I thought it was stupid 10 years ago and I still think it's stupid now.

Response by CSM James Winslow made Dec 29 at 2015 7:36 AM

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A "Warrior" is a gang member of a fictional New York gang, made famous in a movie made in the '70s. A "Battle" is, well "IDK" as the on-line generation says. We called each other "Buddy", Pizo", "Man" or A$$h*le, depending on how long we had been drinking. We had a "Crew", a "Section" or a "Track" and several "running buddies"- never "Battles". Oh, and new guys were called "-croots". Loved the VOLAR Army!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 11:25 AM

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I can see both sides where some may think it's respectful and others will view it as disrespectful. I don't believe hat anyone would intentionally use the word to cause disrespect to another Soldier. But if the person on the receiving side feels disrespected then say something or carry on. I have had numerous people call me "battle". Some of which I didn't know well and others whom I had close relationships with. I, personally, refuse to lose my cool or let my blood pressure rise over someone calling me battle. However, don't expect me to reciprocate the gesture unless we are close and you truly fit the definition of what it means to be my battle.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 6 at 2016 12:47 PM

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Honestly, I think you may actually be a bit too sensitive on this one, SFC. "Battle" is a term that we are taught from IET to describe a peer (our BATTLE buddy). If it is a peer that is calling you this, then it's not really wrong (if it bugs you, then just ask them to stop; it's all you really can do). If it is a subordinate, then you can demand that they stop, as they are not your equal. Does this make sense?

Response by SSG Randall P. made Jan 7 at 2016 10:41 AM

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Not going to lie. I use it in a clearly unprofessional manner. With my "Battle." This guy has been around and at the same duty station for the last 6 years. We went to basic together and later ended up at the same station and have since then, somehow, always ended up in the same place. It's a term of endearment and silliness.

When I went through basic in 07 (yeah, yeah, I'm young) Battle Buddy was the what they taught. I think they still do. So it was engraved into my brain by the blood, sweat, tears and saliva of my DS. With something like that in the changing of civilian and soldier that has changed who I am as a human being it's only natural that it leaves my mouth.

But I am trying to figure out why this is such a big deal. With "Smoke" "Top" "LT" "Warrior" all being other equally dumb things that the army has just adopted somewhere.

I voted "Who Cares", no disrespect.

Response by 1SG Christopher Turk made Jul 15 at 2018 8:06 PM

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I personally don't like being called battle or top. I don't like either of those two terms. But I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Its just not for me. When called TOP, ask if I look like a freaking toy! I know where the term comes from, I just don't want to be called it. I want o be called First Sergeant! I earned it. Would you call a CSM top? I think not. In all actuality he is the top NCO in the unit.