Is the Anti-Confederacy crowd the equivalent of the American ISIS?

2015-06-24T20:36:25-04:00

The answer is "Obviously not."

Think about this though: The Anti-Confederacy crowd is calling for the removal of historic artifacts and memorabilia from public places because it is offensive to some people. This started with the Confederate Battle flag (more or less like a Bn Guidon) and has quickly spread to statues, memorials, and even the cleansing of place names associated with Confederate soldiers. In the ISIS camp they are calling for the destruction and cleansing of historic places, artifacts, and memorabilia because it upsets them and their view of how things should be.

How are those things different? Is it because we're civilized and they're savages? Because we're "debating" it and they not? I use the quotation marks there because it really isn't a debate, but a set of demands repeated often and loudly enough to stifle any response other than capitulation.

In both cases you have groups of people who aren't interested in debate - it's their way or no way, their way or you're a racist. Believe me, neither group will stop when they've gotten what they want. Like spoiled children who got the candy after crying loudly enough, the Anti-Confederacy crowd will use the same tactic to gain more cessions.

What say you? Are we headed down the same path of historic cleansing in our country? Eradicating any trace of a history that bothers some people?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2015 8:38 PM

2015-06-24T20:38:06-04:00

In the State Capitol Building in St Paul, MN, there is stored a Confederate Flag once owned by the 22d Virginia Regt seized by the 1st Minnesota Volunteers at Little Round Top during the Battle of Gettysburg. The 1st Minnesota was devastated by repeated charges, but managed to hold the line even when they had run out of ammunition by TAKING THE WEAPONS AND AMMO OF FALLEN CONFEDERATES AFTER CLUBBING THEM TO DEATH.
Every couple of years Virginia tries to get Minnesota's governor to return it to them.
I think Jesse Ventura had the best response so far. He told them (not an exact quote) "Next time you guys throw a Civil War, we will bring it with and see if you can take it back from us".

I couldn't stand Ventura, but that was money.

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Jun 24 at 2015 8:39 PM

2015-06-24T20:39:36-04:00

We the people need to get educated. The ignorance of the facts and the history is getting too much for me to stand. I begin to fear for the USA.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2015 9:08 PM

2015-06-24T21:08:37-04:00

Great post Sfc Lyden. I believe the fault lies with the liberal media's stranglehold grip on information. They are pushing an agenda of hatred and division on the entire country. They openly attack or attempt to discredit any news agency that attempts to provide actual news to the people. I don't know what the end game is but critical thinking tells me something unpleasant is on the horizon.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 24 at 2015 10:03 PM

2015-06-24T22:03:29-04:00

I can't believe you posted the question that way.. seirously? do you see anti confederacy crowd beheading people? throwing people off of buildings? If anything it'd be closer to the pro confederacy crowd since the confederacy was all about slavery and misogyny and oppression of people.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 24 at 2015 10:06 PM

2015-06-24T22:06:12-04:00

What would it mean to be pro confederacy?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 25 at 2015 12:50 AM

2015-06-25T00:50:42-04:00

Confederate flag as a commemorative symbol has unfortunately acquired more negative associations than positive since it was adopted by modern hate groups and home grown terrorists. Swastikas may never recover their former positive meanings after being the symbol of Nazi Germany either.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 25 at 2015 2:45 AM

2015-06-25T02:45:59-04:00

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana

Response by SPC Jeff Leonard made Jun 25 at 2015 2:23 PM

2015-06-25T14:23:05-04:00

I ,for one, think it should be kept, just not flown on government property. We dont fly any other nations flag. It is part of our history, it is a part of what made us what we are today. Show the scars that we as a country have endured.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 9:08 AM

2015-06-26T09:08:30-04:00

The "anti-confederacy" was called the Union, and it won. 150 years ago. This confederate crap has gotten out of hand way before the past few days. The war has been over, the South needs to get over it. As it has been said, taking down the flag doesn't say you can't honor your fallen, or honor those who stood for your cause. Just that You shouldn't be flying a flag that is 100% against the United States of America. Of course we need to remember the battles, legendary generals, and cause of the war (which was so much more than slavery). Do you see a hammer and scicle flying over the Kremlin? a swastika flying over Berlin? No, because it is an anti-government, national, everything that country stands for flag. Why is the Confederate Battle Flag (it's not the stars and bars, or the flag of the confederacy, as someone said earlier - its a battle flag, like a guidon) allowed to be flown and so carelessy used within the country.
I don't consider it a symbol of hate, racism, or intolerance. It is a symbol of anti-American thinking, of wanting to secede, and of a failed nation. Too many people these days want that flag to be something it's not.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Jun 26 at 2015 10:01 AM

2015-06-26T10:01:13-04:00

ISIS-lilke? No. McCarthy-esque? You bet.

Response by MSgt Steve Sweeney made Mar 19 at 2019 8:09 AM

2019-03-19T08:09:42-04:00

What is there to debate? The debate happened over a hundred years ago and the Confederacy lost. We should not have, nor do we need monuments to the enemies of the United States. It is not a matter of "historic cleansing". We do not have monuments to Hitler and Tojo, but we can see their works in museums and history books.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2019 7:53 PM

2019-03-19T19:53:45-04:00

No comparison to ISIS. Any such comparison would be nonsensical, and meanest to demonize those who oppose the purpose of the statues.
Consider this speech:
"The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the South—When “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States—Praise God."
Anglo Saxon race. Clearly a reference to caucasians, not Confederate Soldiers. Four years succeeding the war. What was he referring to? He was referring to the Klan protecting white southerner Americans from African Americans by lynchings. In fact, he admitted, "One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head."
He gave his speech at the unveiling of "Silent Sam."
Certainly, if you avoid, turn a blind eye to, or dismiss the timing of the erection of these "war memorials," and the rhetoric of those who raised them, while also ignoring the backdrop of racists terrorizing, lynching and murdering innocent Americans during the relevant period, sure they are just "innocent" historical statues. It you consider them in context, they are symbols of white supremacy, and the descendants of those who suffered, were murdered and terrorized under Jim Crow, aren't seeking the removal of deliberately placed splinters to their souls, yes, they are just like ISIS.