Is there a regulation covering "Frocking"?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 02:27:02 -0500

So a few soldiers have been talking about Frocking to 1SG. I don't know anything about this since i have never seen it at my last unit.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2020 4:01 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 04:01:47 -0500

Are these Soldiers E7s or E8s......

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Nov 30 at 2020 4:40 AM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 04:40:19 -0500

Interesting, folks don’t get frock to 1SG. They are selected and assigned to the position of Company 1SG. If the Soldier is MSG then He/She wears the Diamond, simple.

Now, frocking is authorized under AR 614-200, para 7 (4) for USASMC Graduates.

Also, AR 600-8-19, para 7 (10), authorizes froking for NG Senior Enlisted under some circumstances.

Besides that, I’m unaware of other enlisted frocking instances. But I could wrong.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2020 7:35 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 07:35:40 -0500

A new memo recently came out authorizing a temp frock to 1sg or csm for those serving in the role of such. Previously the soldier would keep their rank, perform above their pay grade, get a nice ncoer bullet. This new memo states that the soldier will get frocked and will receive pay of the frocked grade. This is super new, as in last week new, so idk if its been activated or only talked about. Sounds like an S1 or HRC question.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Nov 30 at 2020 9:01 AM

LTC Jason Mackay — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 09:01:13 -0500

AR 600-8-19

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Nov 30 at 2020 10:44 AM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:44:49 -0500

SFC (P) can can get frocked to 1SG. This usually happens in Combat Arms because they need to get MOSQd. So the BCT CSM usually take newly promotable/promoted to be 1SGs. Others, like mine (31B) have new MSGs be Operations Sergeants in BN HQs. I was lucky and was given the HHC BCT 1SG position and didn't have to do Operations time before my leadership time.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Nov 30 at 2020 5:36 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 17:36:54 -0500

Frocking is like being promotable with a sequence number that wont be reached for several months- command can "frock you" You fill the position and wear the new rank, but your pay does not go up. !sg are seldom frocked- they are assigned to the position.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 30 at 2020 7:25 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 30 Nov 2020 19:25:31 -0500

I know for the officers one can only Frock to a Field Grade (MAJ-COL), they have to be in the position of Frock and they have to be (P). So it all seems moot to send all that up a chain for a CG approval.

Response by SPC Donn Sinclair made Dec 2 at 2020 7:56 AM

SPC Donn Sinclair — Wed, 02 Dec 2020 07:56:00 -0500

Guess this term wasn't invented when I was in. We had "Acting Jacks." Sp4 DI's who wore buck sgt stripes, but who still got E4 pay. Seemed like a suck deal, but nobody asked me.