National Concealed Weapon Firearm Permit?

2013-12-05T17:10:44-05:00

Should there be a federal firearms concealed carry permit? For example right now it goes state by state and then you need to look up the reciprocity for each state to see if they respect one another’s permits. Do you think that if you took required training that there should be a nationwide concealed carry permit and then you don’t need to worry about the reciprocity. I know there were talks of this but, I don’t think anything ever went through. What do you think?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2013 5:13 PM

2013-12-05T17:13:01-05:00

with a good back ground check? Yeah that would be great.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Dec 5 at 2013 6:05 PM

2013-12-05T18:05:11-05:00

Wouldn't this take away money from states?

Although the idea seems more of a 'common sense' issue, there are deeper roots that must be examined prior to a change, i.e. fiscal distribution, political bureaucracy, etc.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2013 6:12 PM

2013-12-05T18:12:24-05:00

I'm kinda torn. If I follow my constitutionalists side, no. We shouldn't need governments permission to exercise our rights. On the other hand I do prefer that people have training. If there was to be a national permit it would be hard to sync up the different standards throughout the states. Who would set the standards? I'm not sure I'd trust the chuckleheads in office right now to set it up right.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2013 11:00 PM

2013-12-05T23:00:53-05:00

I prefer national reciprocity like we have with our drivers license.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2013 11:07 PM

2013-12-05T23:07:45-05:00

Yes and No. Yes I think that all military should have the same firearm concealed carry as a federal agent such as in the fbi. Some type of federal concealed permit. No in that states should reserve the rights of its citizens to enforce as they see fit.

Response by SSG Jason Neumann made Dec 5 at 2013 11:15 PM

2013-12-05T23:15:41-05:00

I don't think there should be a National CCDW permit. I am for our troops being able to carry on/off post and in/out of uniform when they have gone through a CCDW course. I think it would be beneficial if there was a standard for these courses, but then again it is up to that states government to come up with their own regulation for such course. As of right now, I am in the middle of creating such a course for military installations, but it will take time and a lot of cutting through red tape. I like where your head is, but I think there would be some sneaky stuff if the government would get their hands on everyone that wants to carry. Just my opinion.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 24 at 2014 6:13 PM

2014-04-24T18:13:26-04:00

There should not be a Federal Firearms concealed carry permit...actually, there should not be a need for a State one if anyone was able to read, because the Consititution is actually pretty clear on the subject.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 6:25 PM

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Become a federal Marshall, problem solved! LOL

Response by MAJ Steve Sheridan made Apr 25 at 2014 11:58 AM

2014-04-25T11:58:41-04:00

That would be great. I would even like my state to pass open cary like some other states have.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2014 5:57 PM

2014-04-25T17:57:24-04:00

I do not support it for the most obvious reason: it is unconstitutional. In fact, I do not support the bulk of these "gun" laws on the books right now because they too are unconstitutional. Think about it.

The Constitution is the framework document that is the basis of the United States. It very specifically states and delineates the limited powers held by the federal government. The vast majority of powers are held at the state level and specifically the PEOPLE. The Constitution is the guarantee against ANY infringement of the people's rights by the government. The government cannot grant any rights. Rights are by definition naturally inherent to every human being. If the government has the capability to grant something then it also has the capability to take it away. This is not a RIGHT but a privilege. The Constitution also does not grant any rights but protects those rights from the meddling of the government. The people's unalienable natural rights come from God.

As I stated in the first paragraph, I want the bulk of gun laws eliminated. What must be in place are laws that punish the MISUSE of ANY object, regardless of what it is. If someone committs a rape, then they need to be harshly punished. If someone hits another with a bat, then they need to be harshly punished. If someone steals from another, then they need to be punished. If someone misuses a firearm against another, then they need to be severely punished. I could go on and on. Logic, science and facts are indisputable and undeniable although there are many who greedily and dishonestly deny them.

Response by SFC Stephen P. made Apr 26 at 2014 12:35 AM

2014-04-26T00:35:14-04:00

Permits and licenses allow you to do things normally prohibited by law.

The only federal laws about the carrying of weapons apply only on federal property, and near schools.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The federal government, who does not claim the authority to prohibit carrying arms, cannot license a person to carry arms outside of federal property (or near schools IAW state and local rules).

However, Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2014 5:11 PM

2014-04-26T17:11:50-04:00

We shouldn't need a permit to exercise our Constitutional rights.

Do you need a permit for the 4th Amendment? The 5th Amendment? No. So why would we need a permit for our 2nd Amendment?

The best thing about Arizona? You can conceal carry without a permit. I do it all the time when I'm home and it's yet to have any sort of negative consequence. It means I can protect myself and not have a firearm strapped to my belt which may make some people uncomfortable, while allowing me to protect myself and those around me wherever I go.

Those who abuse firearms don't care about the laws. I can walk out my front door here in Colorado and conceal carry and I'm probably not going to get caught. Criminals know that too, but that certainly doesn't stop them. So why should I have to get a piece of paper to do something that a few hundred miles away is completely normal and legal?

In the end, the Constitution very specifically states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.". There is much discussion about what the "militia" is. Some people claim it's the "National Guard", but the National Guard didn't exist in it's current form until the National Defense Act of 1916.

When asked about who or what the militia was, George Mason, an author of the 2nd Amendment stated, "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." (Source: Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788).

Then the word regulation is meant to mean control, however regulation in the context of the passage of that amendment meant the ability to appoint officers that could recruit militiamen into their units (you used to be able to form your own militia unit and get supplies from the State government or Federal government to perform work for them pre-1916). It also meant that the States were supposed to provide them supplies and training, to ensure the common man who would volunteer for the militia had access to military training and military firearms.

I'm not sure there's really more that needs to be stated on this.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Sep 4 at 2014 1:27 PM

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The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons—the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer"—to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of state or local laws, with certain exceptions.

This act was amended to include "military police". The services are working on implementation (verification, credentials, etc.).

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2014 2:20 PM

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It's a 2-sided situation. On one hand, federal government has DELEGATED authority for individual states to allow or prohibit firearms carry. On the other hand, if you want such consensus, then all 50 states should be called on this issue practically together for such deal to happen.

I'm also pretty sure that California will be one of the last to agree to federalize its concealed carry laws being that it doesn't share reciprocity with any other state.

The most you can do is petition to INDIVIDUAL state governments to allow for greater reciprocity

Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Sep 5 at 2014 7:51 AM

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If there is, would NY, CA, Ill and a few other liberal stronholds still acknowledge it?

Response by SGT Donald Croswhite made Sep 5 at 2014 5:39 PM

2014-09-05T17:39:35-04:00

Their is already a national concealed carry permit. It's called the bill of rights.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 7 at 2014 1:40 AM

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1SG Private RallyPoint Member MSG Brad Sand MSG John Wirts Anytime I hear limits on freedom, I ask why? If there are not compelling reasons then I will take that into consideration. There is always a lot of Urban Legend stuff that gets knocked around, just like the police who shot at the Van full of children. There was much more to the story.

The thing I wonder about is you watch NCIS and see all that technology and wonder if they have all that and it is kind of like an assault on our privacy and it is real shame and a problem.

Response by SSG Pete Fleming made Sep 7 at 2014 2:17 AM

2014-09-07T02:17:04-04:00

The thing that amazes me about these type of debates are just how many people actually never read the Constitution or Declaration of Independence. For example the 2nd Amendment we all know 'the right to bear arms' and a 'well regulated militia'... but what about the part that says this right shall not be infringed upon... everyone forgets that part...

Our Constitution is relatively short, just over 8000 words. Anyone ever written a business plan? I have written a couple and they are longer...

It is been misquoted and misunderstood more than any other document and/or book to include the Bible and the Quran... (There are 773,692 words in the King James version of the Bible, and the Quran has roughly 78,000)

Why do we miss interpret this? Because people of different views want it to mean what they believe to be true... even if it clearly states otherwise... such as this right shall not be infringed...

Response by 1LT William Armstrong made Dec 16 at 2014 5:39 AM

2014-12-16T05:39:56-05:00

I believe that LEOSA , Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act, covers some Military as well as civilian . It is a Federal concealed law but is issued through the state and permits concealed carry in all states. I have had my LEOSA permit for several years and there are stipulations to it IE you must qualify at a range and in Ky. a certified range instructor must sign your recert. I do not have it memorized , so you will need to check it out.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 8:41 AM

2014-12-17T08:41:29-05:00

Absolutely! Thus far the LEOSA (Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act) is about the closest you will find to a national concealed carry and only applies to former and current law enforcement (which includes the DOD). Law enforcement MOS's, AFSC's, etc also fall under Act, but they are still working on the credential and vetting process.

Ideally, other states 'should' recognize a concealed carry permit issued in another state like a driver's license or a marriage license. Texas Govenor Rick Perry attempted to create a national concealed carry license through inter-state reciprocity agreements, but was ultimately unsuccessful. Texas currently has reciprocity with 36 other states.

As a concealed carry instructor for Texas, I'd be happy to teach any vets for free, provided you want to make the commute to Houston or Ft. Worth on my UTA weekends.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2014 10:08 PM

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"Shall not be infringed." This means legally there are no requirement to get permits to carry concealed or open. A permit infringes on that right. Permits are just a tax. You are being taxed to exercise a God given not Government Given right. The Bill of Rights was written to tell the Government not the people what rights they cannot, do not have the authority to take away. The point of conceal carry is no one not even the Government needs to know you are carrying.

Response by TSgt Michael Morris made Dec 18 at 2014 10:07 PM

2014-12-18T22:07:31-05:00

I think it would be a great idea