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I have been with my current unit for 12 months and we have not had a NCOPD, however our SGM and CSM have small group discussions. I like the small group "NCOPD" but I kind of feel like a real NCOPD should be held. Does anyone else have this issue? 
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CSM Stuart C. O'Black
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I totally understand where you are coming from. I feel like I should being doing more as the Senior NCO in the Brigade. I don't think I reach far enough to reach all the NCOs and believe we should have more NCOPDs.


However, like everyone has said I have benefited most from the small discussions not the big room/theater briefs. It seems to be more in a send mode and I receive less feedback from the broad briefs. I still think they are important for new policies and procedures but for professional developments I'll stick to small group discussions.


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SSG Kevin McCulley
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CSM, even the gesture means a lot. The NCO Corps from my perspective has lost cohesion. &nbsp;Many NCOs need reminders of their separateness from Jr. Enlisted and the mantle of leadership placed on us. NCOPDs not only provide an excellent forum for Jr. NCOs to interact with Sr. NCOs, it also provides fellowship and builds camaraderie. We have no NCO clubs anymore to provide a forum for this.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>There is little respect shown to the 'privileges of rank.' These privileges aren't just a perk of rank, they are intended to promote the prestige of the NCO Corps and remind NCOs they should constantly work to earn those privileges. &nbsp;For example: I've seen Privates be bunked with Sergeants in the barracks by FSBP which is a huge no go. When the issue was raised the 'privilege' suggested was moving all NCOs to their own building.... on the other side of the installation and a 30 minute drive from the BDE AOR (Ft. Bliss). I'm not joking when I say this was presented to us as a 'privilege' complete with requirements to pull staff duty in that building as well as our company level CQ obligations. Even in boarding aircraft to go on leave from Iraq the boarding order was officers by grade, warrants, senior NCOs and then everyone else.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I currently serve in a joint organization that is heavy in civilian representation. SSGs are treated like privates. GS employees who do not have supervisor anywhere in their position description walk around like we are beneath them. A GS 10 who was kicked out of the military for drug use is considered more capable than the brace of SFCs, GySgts, CPOs, and MSgts. I honestly think my organization came to this position because the NCOs put up with it. I do not. I've given very dramatic reality checks to GSs who tried to cross into my lane, but I digress.</div><div><br></div><div>NCODP is vital to building a well trained and cohesive corps of Non-Commissioned Officers. It strengthens ties and provides a forum for Sr. NCOs like yourself to not only pass nuggets of knowledge but also allows CSMs to directly address things like the disciplinary philosophy of an organization so everyone is on the same page and there is no question of if they are going to get backed up or not. The critical thing to remember is to not make them remotely like a SHARP or EO brief. Dialogue is necessary to keep the audience engaged and NCOs briefing must resist the time honored tradition of pontificating (kind of like this comment :). Time must be effectively used so the Jr's don't feel like their time is being wasted. The will tune out. NCODP should be part of the 'getting back to basics' we are supposedly going through ATM.</div>
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I see no difference between small group discussions and NCOPD. The intent and the end result are the same correct? Small group format is actually beneficial as it allows more individualized, less generic training, and promotes interactivity. It prevents it from just being a "I talk, you listen" format, which most people with just disregard two minutes after adjournment.
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SSG Infantryman
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SSG Hasbun, I defiantly like the small group because it really feels like they care and its not " I talk, you listen" but sometimes I believe that some things need to be addressed as a group. 
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"Big Army" put out a quarterly NCOPD plan that your unit should be following... I just got done with one yesterday on "Trust". If your unit is not doing this then they are wrong. Also, if you want an NCOPD then come up with a plan (you and a few of your battles) and present it to your PSG and 1SG. Take charge!!
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CSM Mike Maynard
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MSG Cunningham - sounds like SGT Girone is talking about the "Profession of Arms" Quarterly themes that was put out by CAPE.

 

We have been encouraged to include this in our NCODPs or as separate training/education.

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yes.. the profession of arms.. I belive it came out as a MILPER message.. MSG Cunningham do you still need the info??
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