Shiite Militia creates rift in the Iraqi Defense Force. Why is it so hard for them to come together to end a mutual enemy?

2015-05-27T14:09:31-04:00

The Shiite militia created a rift w/ the Sunni militia by naming the counter-offensive against Ramadi "Labaik Ya Hussein", which translates to "we are at your service, Hussein." This is a reference to the grandson of Mohammed, the lineage that the Shias follow.

Shiite Militia's Name for Ramadi Counter-Offensive Splits Iraq Force

The operational name given by a Shiite militia to the counter-offensive against Ramadi went against U.S. efforts to promote Sunni-Shia unity in Iraq, the Pentagon said Tuesday.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2015 2:22 PM

2015-05-27T14:22:41-04:00

Allah hates his own followers as much as he hates freedom?

/s

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made May 27 at 2015 2:26 PM

2015-05-27T14:26:59-04:00

Iraq is a very tribal country. They rather fight each other before fighting a common enemy.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made May 27 at 2015 2:32 PM

2015-05-27T14:32:29-04:00

I think this is another example of the problem with Political Correctness. The Iraqi Defense Force is neither a force or doing much defending of anything. If there is a militia willing and able to fight, support the militias, tribes, and people who are actually fighting these monsters and stop worrying abut the feeling of the cowards and sheeple.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2015 2:38 PM

2015-05-27T14:38:51-04:00

That choice of names was no accident.
It was a declaration of righteous war by the Shia Militias. To assert dominance in the name of Hussein is to attempt to subjugate the area to Shia.
They knew exactly what they were doing. And it puts Sunni members of the IA units operating in conjuction with the militias in a very difficult position.

Response by SPC David S. made May 27 at 2015 2:38 PM

2015-05-27T14:38:41-04:00

These guys have been starting a rift since 632 AD. Why stop now their on a role.

Reminds me of Reservoir Dogs - 'Why do I got to be Mr. Pink?"

Response by CH (MAJ) William Beaver made May 27 at 2015 2:42 PM

2015-05-27T14:42:36-04:00

Holy Shiite

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 27 at 2015 3:15 PM

2015-05-27T15:15:21-04:00

No one has ever taught them the meaning of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Response by CPT Jack Durish made May 27 at 2015 3:28 PM

2015-05-27T15:28:21-04:00

Don't you just love the hubris of some people? They draw arbitrary lines on a map and declare that everyone inside of each section are now citizens of a sovereign nation and should share common interests. Idiots. Not the people inside the lines. The ones who drew them. The only possible "fix" for that region of the world is to allow the various groups to sort themselves out (allow birds of a feather to flock together) and then allow their borders to draw themselves. Also, recognize that this will be a very painful process (especially since we set them up in artificial nations that bore no relation to reality and now muddy the water...

Response by SPC George Adkins made May 27 at 2015 8:27 PM

2015-05-27T20:27:42-04:00

The reason they can't pull together is because they value their versions of their religion over a country arbitrarily drawn on a map by people that share neither. Well, there's that and then it's also the fact that they live in the 1200's.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2015 8:27 PM

2015-05-27T20:27:36-04:00

because once again the west is not looking at it from the only ppl that matter in the fake states of iraq and Syria. the local people.

Sunnis arabs want their own nation in both fake nations. period. they don't want to live in a Shia majorty control Iraq. they damn sure don't want to live under a Shia minority in Syria. the sunni arab milita hate the Iraqi (Shia) govt, and Shia militia.

the worst thing we can do is allow iranian back groups to fight in Iraq. it just pushes ppl into Daesh camp.

Response by COL Ted Mc made May 28 at 2015 3:33 AM

2015-05-28T03:33:39-04:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again (even though it is incredibly unpopular to say it).

The only Iraqi leader who had the slightest chance of preventing the al-Qa'eda/Taliban/ISIS problem in Iraq was Saddam Hussein.

The progressive Iraqis had developed means of coping with his rule and were prepared to kill of whichever one of his sons survived when Saddam Hussein died (from whatever cause).

Like them or not, at least the Ba'athists knew that there was a whole lot more money to be made from graft and corruption in a (reasonably) peaceful country with a functioning national government that the majority of the people were prepared not to revolt against.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made May 28 at 2015 7:08 AM

2015-05-28T07:08:13-04:00

As Americans we have great difficulty understanding tribal culture. We talk about it a lot and act like we're educated on the subject but then we act so surprised when we see tribal nepotism and we see tribes aligned along sectarian lines put the health of their tribe above the health of their nation. This is simple---they're fighting for their tribes; the sheik calls the side and the boys line up. There's a reason many AQ members called Bin Laden the Sheik.