Should an NCO or Officer be held to a higher standard when it comes to Army Values neglection?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:30:42 -0500

Basically if a Army value is neglected and a SEASONED Soldier (not a new soldier),NCO, or Officer is found to be in neglect of an Army value should they be held to the standard and receive the same corrective training/punishment or should the action be tailored to the rank and responsibility or should and equal action be taken across the board? Please include any leader action you would take

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2014 5:32 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:32:13 -0500

I absolutely think they should be held to a higher if not at least the same standard. Senior leaders know their service branches and are fully aware of the repercussions of their acts that violate our service's value systems. Naturally the more rank and service they have the more they have to lose but ultimately just like any other service member you violate the UCMJ you should be held justly accountable as the lowest ranking service member.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2014 5:36 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:36:14 -0500

Lack of Values will be annotated on NCOERs and OERs. Those lacking values should definitely not be in Leadership positions. Your question is difficult to answer because you can "neglect" values without violating the UCMJ. But in any case, NCOs and Officers will (should) seem more affected because it should be reflected on their Evaluation Reports.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2014 5:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:44:46 -0500

There is only one standard and punishment for failure to maintain that standard should be equal across the board. We are all professionals.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 20 at 2014 8:21 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:21:29 -0500

I believe in one standard across the board. I don't care if the offender is a private or a general. Here's the caveat, the standard includes the "reasonable person test." As in, would a reasonable person of the same background, experience, education, circumstance, etc have acted in the same way as the accused?

That is what would trip up senior leaders: By this test, they should honestly know better and thus their guilt is worse than that of someone who is just 18 months past slamming Natty Lights in Jethro's dad's den on Thursday nights.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 15 at 2015 1:08 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 01:08:32 -0500

A young Soldiers is still adapting and learning what is accepted or tolerated. We all come from different backgrounds and it can take time for your values to reflect the Army values, so yes the higher you go the less tolerant I am of you making error in the values department