Should Rank matter on RP?

Cadet PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 00:55:12 -0400

Earlier today I saw a discussion where a user who was an E5, I believe, basically told an O5 to leave them alone in a not so nice or respectful way. I'm still kind of new to RP so I don't know the whole situation. I'm not sure if either or both are retired. But I just wanted to get input from the general population here

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jun 20 at 2015 12:58 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 00:58:38 -0400

To me it does; I like to show respect those that have achieved much.

At the same time I also respect those that are serving and have served at all levels.

We all do our part.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 1:29 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:29:00 -0400

I personally have always shown respect and believe it is important. It's how I live my life still today. But there are many personalities, life philosophies and ideas on RP from serving members, retirees and veterans alike. Some may believe because they are not serving now everyone is equal. In the end we all put on our pants the same. And at times that respect may have to be earned. Especially if the respect is not going both ways. Hope that makes sense.

Response by MAJ Bryan Zeski made Jun 20 at 2015 1:32 AM

MAJ Bryan Zeski — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:32:32 -0400

Rank matters - not because anyone of higher or lower rank is any better or worse - or smarter or dumber - but because we signed up for this system that values a hierarchy of respect that goes both up AND down. When I comment back to someone higher ranking, I will usually use a "Sir" or "Ma'am" or address them by the rank and name - why? Because it's respectful, it's tradition, it's professional - they've earned the rank and respect that comes with it. Whether or not I respect them personally, or even professionally, is irrelevant. I respect the rank because I respect the values of the system that established that hierarchy.

Response by CW2 Joseph Evans made Jun 20 at 2015 1:38 AM

CW2 Joseph Evans — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:38:04 -0400

Respect is something earned. This forum is outside of normal channels and requires a degree of respect be shown regardless of rank achieved in uniform. Respect given is respect earned.
I have my life experiences as does everyone else. If my experiences were cavalierly disregarded because a fellow RP member felt his rank entitled him to an arbitrary point of view, I would have no obligation to be respectful back on that particular issue.

That being said, do what your career can handle. The public nature of this forum opens you up to critique regardless of rank. A particular concern of current service members as well as members holding sensitive jobs with a need to reflect well upon their employers.

Harassment through a series of threads is also grounds for expulsion from the board, and if documented, can affect employment. There have been incidences where people have gone through an individuals history with the intent of downvoting every post a person has made and being argumentative over rather petty issues... Were something like that to happen to me, I might not be especially forgiving or respectful on a specific thread in which we were interacting...

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 1:47 AM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 01:47:32 -0400

I matters to me, retired or active I give my respect to the person and the rank

Response by SPC Thomas Baldwin made Jun 20 at 2015 2:22 AM

SPC Thomas Baldwin — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 02:22:20 -0400

It influences the perspective of the member, but doesn't make them right. Nor do they have command over anyone in this forum.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jun 20 at 2015 4:32 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 04:32:44 -0400

First and foremost RP is a PEER Network.

Although much of our Military Identity was linked to our rank, and it is acknowledged on RP, we have to be able to communicate as equals. The PVT and the General are able to speak and disagree without fear of backlash from either side.

Yes, either side. I have seen senior officers worry that their comments were misconstrued. The written form does not convey "tone" or emotion as well as face to face communications, and leads to many more misunderstandings. Agreements and disagreements can be much more heated.

Now, rank itself is generally indicative of military experience, however since this site also have a very large veteran and retiree population, it is not indicative of OVERALL experience or knowledge. For many of us, our military experience, skills, and knowledge are a fraction of that total, therefore rank becomes so much less of an indicator.

But look at some of our mustangs (Enlisted who became Officers), and you'll see why rank in and of itself shouldn't matter. Just because someone is a Lt or a Capt doesn't mean they don't have a wealth of knowledge as an Enlisted for a dozen years before that. Folks like SGM Private RallyPoint Member who dual hatted SGM/CPT or CPT Private RallyPoint Member, among other countless examples.

Response by SPC Thomas Baldwin made Jun 20 at 2015 5:54 AM

SPC Thomas Baldwin — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 05:54:56 -0400

There will always be that person in any forum. I feel that Almost all peopleon RP show the normal Customs and curtisys out of general respect as well as many are still serving. This is after all a military community forum and a common ground we all have in this case is addressing people by their grade. I don't feel any requirement to do so other than, respect for those of us that served this nation. Even if I have issue with some one I will respect the rank not the person. I will never give a thumbs down unless its vulgar and abusive comments. Remembering our experiences give us our perspectives and for me. I can hate you and still respect you, and by that work and fight with you.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 20 at 2015 5:56 AM

PO1 John Miller — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 05:56:45 -0400

Yes, but respect works both up AND down. I also learned long ago to respect the rank but not necessarily the person. HOWEVER that does not mean that a junior can blatantly disrespect a superior.

RP is a bit of a different beast though in that it is a civilian website not affiliated with the U.S. military. Still, we're all veterans or active duty (or Cadets in your case) and protocol should still be observed.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 6:13 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 06:13:51 -0400

Nice question and another reason I chucked deuces!

Response by SGT John Rauch made Jun 20 at 2015 8:29 AM

SGT John Rauch — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 08:29:04 -0400

this is an online forum, as far as UCMJ goes, it should be of no effect, as far as respect end integrity go, everyone will know what kind of person you are by what you post and how you respond to others, respect is earned, not given, once it is lost it is hard to regain. I will show respect to those higher and lower in rank than myself, and if they are disrespectful the rally point community will know.

Response by SSG Donald Mceuen made Jun 20 at 2015 8:38 AM

SSG Donald Mceuen — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 08:38:14 -0400

As long as they show respect

Response by CH (CPT) Heather Davis made Jun 20 at 2015 8:45 AM

CH (CPT) Heather Davis — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 08:45:36 -0400

Cadet PFC Roche:

You bring up an excellent topic, and to address if rank matters? Rally Point is a sacred place where all regardless of rank and service. we can add our experience to a topic.

Keep this in mind that many have served, are serving, and it is vital that we are all respectful in nature. My thoughts are what is driving the behavior, for those that are still in the service, we are governed by social media regulations.

http://www.arcent.army.mil/u-s-army-social-media-handbook

Yes, I would say that it is vital that we all are professional, and we should adhere to our military customs.

V/R

CH (CPT) Davis

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 8:45 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 08:45:41 -0400

People should be respectful in this forum regardless of rank.

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Jun 20 at 2015 8:51 AM

SGM Steve Wettstein — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 08:51:03 -0400

Experience and knowledge matters.

Response by CPT Richard Riley made Jun 20 at 2015 9:03 AM

CPT Richard Riley — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 09:03:16 -0400

Rank matters from the perspective that each person has earned and been awarded what is on their collar ..... that said, here on RP it has more to do with respect than rank. There are so many here that can discuss a position in an intelligent, respectful manner and that has absolutely nothing to do with rank.
On the other hand, there are those who, for what ever reason, decide to throw caution to the wind and respond (or spew in some cases) a key board soliloquy that is for the most part unacceptable. Personal pride and respect should trump personal feelings but it does not always happen.
It is worth taking a deep breath before one decides to respond to a charged question.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Jun 20 at 2015 9:29 AM

COL Mikel J. Burroughs — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 09:29:21 -0400

I have mentioned several times in other similar discussions that we need to respect our brothers and sisters in arms, no matter what their rank is. If we are truly the professionals that we all claim that we are and that I know we are then we need to be respectful in all of our dialogue on RP. I love the input and insight that I receive from the privates’ right up through the general officers. Let's have fun, enjoy the discussions, and be respectful at all times. I think that is a winning ingredient to a very successful RP

Response by Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA made Jun 20 at 2015 10:02 AM

Lt Col Timothy Parker, DBA — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 10:02:07 -0400

Well, yes and no. Although retired, I still appreciate the respect/courtesy shown by others for my rank. That said, all of us have opinions on a multitude of topics - and we all have different backgrounds and experiences that help us form those opinions. We should be respectful of those opinions and for those who offer them regardless of rank. I may disagree with a general officer on any number of topics, but will do so in a respectful way - not necessarily because of the rank, but due to his or her right to express that opinion. Just my humble opinion.

Response by CH (CPT) Heather Davis made Jun 20 at 2015 12:51 PM

CH (CPT) Heather Davis — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 12:51:10 -0400

"Commenting, posting or linking to material that violates the UCMJ or basic rules of Soldier conduct is prohibited," said Staff Sgt. Dale Sweetnam of the Online and Social Media Division, Office of the Chief of Public Affairs. "Talking negatively about supervisors or releasing sensitive information is punishable under the UCMJ. It's never appropriate to be disrespectful of superior officers or NCOs (noncommissioned officers), no matter if you're in the company area or posting to Facebook at your desk at home."

Five articles in the UCMJ deal specifically different aspects of inappropriate behavior in public. They are Articles 88, 89, 91, 133 and 134.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Jun 20 at 2015 1:53 PM

Capt Richard I P. — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 13:53:01 -0400

1. Customs and courtesies are mandatory for all subject to UCMJ at all times and in all methods of communication.
2. Professionalism and politeness is mandatory at all times by RP TOS.
3. Courtesy never hurts your cause or messaging.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jun 20 at 2015 2:12 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:12:45 -0400

Rank must matter for you ative duty members. When you start serving in the trenches, you will be blown away with the amount of time you will be online during your career. Get used to it, brother. Us retired old farts are old school and 99.5% of us still act like we are still in and there is never an expiration date on common courtesy and respect. I have a hard time referring to retired COL's as anything other than COL, but some of my best contacts are from COL's who call me Mark and have me address them by first name. But that respect is always there, from day one Private to 27-Star General. No one ever gets put on blast for always being respectful, but I've seen many careers end when "gloves came off."

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 20 at 2015 2:23 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 14:23:20 -0400

Respect should be a two way street.

Response by SPC Larry Boutwell made Jun 20 at 2015 6:38 PM

SPC Larry Boutwell — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 18:38:19 -0400

....im confused as hell about your rank.... Is that an officer rank before you get commissioned to LT?????

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jun 20 at 2015 7:24 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:24:40 -0400

We should all respect rank on RP because it's in our nature to do so but more importantly we should respect each other and each other's points of view. What makes this site great is the ability for Os and Es of all walks of life to converse on equal ground.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 20 at 2015 7:31 PM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 19:31:08 -0400

To me rank doesn't matter... I know, I know, people will tell me thats only because I made E-3, so of course I'm going to say that. While this site is 99.5% military we are no longer in the military, well a lot of us are not. I left the military 12 yrs ago and even at that pt i was about 10 yrs older then the average E-3 as I joined a bit later then most. My rank hardly reflects my life experience and frankly i would of had a chance to do better had I not had botched surgery.

Response by PV2 Abbott Shaull made Jun 20 at 2015 9:01 PM

PV2 Abbott Shaull — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:01:11 -0400

Rank matter, but it gets water down when you get serving members and retired and veterans all in the mixed. What lot of the retired and veterans need to remember is all it takes is few strokes of pen to make one SM again after ORDERS are created with your SSN# and SN# if you were in when they had them. Since I wasn't there it could of been a time when O-5 was trying to pull rank here with E-5 which is looked down upon, but happens on here, when it can easily happen off here just as easily with phone call, email, IM to between the O-5 to E-5 current command element. Yet, you have to respect the rank, you don't have to respect the person wearing it.

Response by Cpl Kristoffer Mischel made Jun 20 at 2015 9:50 PM

Cpl Kristoffer Mischel — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:50:37 -0400

I voted yes on this one, but with a caveat. If an officer or senior enlisted person is harassing or making statements not becoming of an officer or senior enlisted person, then a lower ranking individual should be able to call them on it. Overall, I believe that a person should be respectful to everyone. A person is a person whether they went to college or not. If everyone showed some tact and professionalism to everyone else, this poll wouldn't be needed.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 20 at 2015 9:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 21:51:41 -0400

I agree that rank should be respected, and responses should be constructed in a professional, military manner; however, someone should not have to hold back discussion because they are worried about repercussions from higher ranks. I think many senior leaders want to hear the "beat on the street." This is an excellent forum to garner those insights.

Response by MSgt Gary Koble made Jun 20 at 2015 11:40 PM

MSgt Gary Koble — Sat, 20 Jun 2015 23:40:29 -0400

A person who gains rank in the armed forces has that rank wherever they go, whenever they go there. That rank should never be ignored and all due respect should be afforded at all times.

However, with that said, in order for a public discussion to truly be productive and open, everyone needs to respect EVERYONE, regardless of the rank or position they hold. Nobody should pull rank on anyone else (nor should they have to) and nobody should put down another.

I took college classes with Colonels and airmen alike and I like the idea of "academic freedom." Everyone must show respect but everyone is free to express their thoughts in the class openly. Also, what is shared in the classroom must stay in the classroom.... so we need to abide by similar rules here, right?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jun 21 at 2015 12:29 AM

SFC Mark Merino — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 00:29:18 -0400

You were right not to mention their names. Both are actually retired, and have been drawn to each other like beetles to a dung heap in mental mortal combat. Some people can not let anything go, have to get in the last word to be right, and run to admins 10 times a day with boo boos to their hurt feelings in need of reassurance. It's like middle school for old people. The best class I ever took was 'critical thinking (logic 101)' Learn to separate truth from fiction/emotion. It should be mandatory for service members, future spouses, and anyone opposed to the 2nd ammendment.

Response by SSG Keven Lahde made Jun 21 at 2015 2:08 AM

SSG Keven Lahde — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 02:08:50 -0400

Rank shouldn't matter on here, unless its for advise. But rank should be respected on here, but it shouldn't go as far as someone disrespecting others. Rank I feel is often thrown around too much to gain respect instead of earned.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 2:51 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 02:51:13 -0400

Military rank and bearing are always applicable. You can argue a point or disagree respectfully. Rank plays a roll, but this is still a "social" networking site so I wouldnt think the relaxed standard here is inappropriate

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jun 21 at 2015 2:54 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 02:54:10 -0400

Cadet PFC Private RallyPoint Member, Here will be your first of many lessons before becoming an officer. If you want my professional opinion on something, I am not going to base it from half, part and very little information. That is not how I come to conclusions. Do you have a link or a screen print of the original dialog. Now remember, just because you have an opinion, it does not make it the standard or some new written regulation. What you think is unprofessional might be the norm for me.

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Jun 21 at 2015 4:36 AM

PO1 Rick Serviss — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 04:36:46 -0400

You can tell a person's status if they completed their profile on here. Next to their name will be either SM, V or R for current Service Member, Veteran or Retired. Everybody should return the same amount of respect they receive. Some disagreements on here have gotten heated and I have seen a lot of seniors report a subordinate to the member's Chain of Command. You can call RP a civilian-ran site or whatever, but it is still for the military community. Exercise good judgement especially when you are a SM.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 7:40 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:40:08 -0400

First of all, this site is labeled 'Professional network'. Not to say we don't have fun, but have it in a mature, 'mandatory fun' manner if you know what I mean. Especially when junior service members are interacting with seniors.

Remember, there are some sites that require certain etiquette. For everything else, there's Facebook.

Response by SFC Rollie Hubbard made Jun 21 at 2015 7:40 AM

SFC Rollie Hubbard — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:40:59 -0400

Though we are by and large retired and or veterans, respect the rank that we worked so hard to reach.

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jun 21 at 2015 7:42 AM

SFC Kenneth Hunnell — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 07:42:33 -0400

Rank and respect are independent of each other. Rank usually shows a level of responsibility or amount of time served which would include amount of experience in the Military.
Where respect should be given no matter how much time served in the Military.
Respect is somewhat like rank, you can loose it as quickly as you got it.
Everyone deserves to be respected

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 9:04 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 09:04:25 -0400

I have had a similar experience but the point is not necessarily the rank but that we are all equals here. I no more wear my rank in the room (it can get in the way of discussion) than I expect others to wear theirs. If we respect one another as members of the brotherhood of arms, then rank shouldn't matter.

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Jun 21 at 2015 10:24 AM

CW5 Sam R. Baker — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 10:24:28 -0400

Well it really doesn't matter without actual military sponsorship of the site where we are to remain disciplined in our communication and daily life, however, much like the private sector as well as the military you should treat others regardless of rank, position or age with respect. It is not a military thing, but a humanity one. Treat others as you wish to be treated comes to mind and I can assume that done just wish to be treated poorly.

One must consider that with PTSD issues, years in civilian sector or possibly a cut short career for involuntary separation can provide a wide variety of color and opinion here.

RP doesn't discriminate against you based on how your served to allow you participate. I would only offer up that folks treat others with respect. I address Soldiers, sailors, Marines and Airmen the same regardless of rank. I even try not to treat treat general officers any different than anyone else due to the fact so many people fake respect to them and kiss their rear end. We are all servants of our great nation through raising the right hand. As we all place the combat uniform on one leg at a time, no one ascends from the heavens above to float into their britches.

I can only hope that everyone can respect others based upon participation positive or negative here as ones point of view while not being taken personal.

HOOAH and have an Air Assault father's day.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Jun 21 at 2015 12:50 PM

Maj Mike Sciales — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 12:50:08 -0400

Intelligent ideas have no rank. Neither do thoughtful, polite discussions. This is a great forum for new (or old) ideas to come to light and be discussed. This can be a valuable tool for active leaders to look at (they can remain in the background) to get a real-time grip on what are matters of concern to the active force. A good leader wants to know the bad news up front and as one of my favorite leaders told me "Bad news don't get better with age." Bad leaders want green arrows, sunshine & lollipops and a great OER to send them to the next assignment they started working the day they arrived at their present assignment.

I would tell any person to contribute - this is a great chance to share your voice and perhaps, have some new, up and coming leader reads your considered words and execute your vision to make things better - and that is a leadership challenge for everybody E-1 on up.

Response by SSG John Erny made Jun 21 at 2015 1:46 PM

SSG John Erny — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 13:46:38 -0400

We need to keep are Military Bearing no matter if we still serve, or are veteran / retired. It is a part of our culture. It is what sets us appart from civilians. Most of us are forever changed once we put the uniform on and graduate from basic and AIT. This change should make us all better people and for the most part it is true IMHOP.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 2:27 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:27:42 -0400

Among those still serving, rank always matters - on duty and off - but I think the bigger issue is respect. People of all ranks should show respect to others, regardless of rank, on RallyPoint. An E-5 being "not so nice" to an O-5 is wrong, and - at least in my humble opinion - so is the reverse.

Part of the beauty of RallyPoint is that we can all interact with others of various ranks. And, especially among the still serving force, that is not always true in the "real world." That's a very good thing.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 21 at 2015 2:39 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:39:48 -0400

Respect for another is simply common courtesy. I am proud of what I accomplished in the Army and would expect that others are equally proud. Respect is mutual..a two way street.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jun 21 at 2015 2:48 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 14:48:53 -0400

I answered "No" but there is a caveat. It shouldn't matter in theory... yet the reality is that a lot of disrespect has been shown from mostly junior enlisted toward SNCO's and Officers. Somewhere along the line these folks missed out on etiquette class, and their leaders never followed up.

You should feel free to discuss anything with anybody -- BUT! in a professional manner. IF this is to be a professional military forum, you should still follow the military etiquettes. That's just my opinion. Not everybody shares that opinion.

We have a RP Admin that doesn't think he needs to follow military etiquette, but he's an Air Force Senior Airman, and it's been my observation that those in the USAF appear to have the most trouble observing military etiquette -- especially their junior enlisted, who also seem to take offense to the word "junior". If that rubs you and you feel so inclined to downvote me, have at it. Your downvote will not change their behavior, or my opinion. It is what it is. If you don't like it, feel free to correct them.

Response by SFC Gary Comstock made Jun 21 at 2015 3:27 PM

SFC Gary Comstock — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:27:32 -0400

Should rank matter no. Should you still show respect for the rank yes. We all should be able to discuss topics and have different view points no matter the rank. Just because you don't like what someone else states doesn't give you the right to be disrespectful and demean the other person.

Response by HN Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 3:38 PM

HN Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:38:13 -0400

To a degree. I don't think you should go around being disrespectful to officers. At the same time, you should be able to say things freely. I respect my superiors on RP as I would if they were right in front of me. This website is really good about giving juniors a voice. Juniors can say what they mean and feel and it gives officers a chance to get a better perspective and see how the junior population feels. You can speak freely and openly just don't go around disrespecting your superiors. They earned their rank and you should give them the respect they deserve.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 21 at 2015 3:49 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 15:49:53 -0400

Everyone should treat each other with dignity and respect, but some fail to understand the concept.

Response by PO1 John Meyer, CPC made Jun 21 at 2015 4:20 PM

PO1 John Meyer, CPC — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:20:20 -0400

This is supposed to be a professional forum much like LinkedIn. As such, there should be at least some sort of professional decorum in the way we post to each other. Does it always happen? Not really, but if an individual isn't being professional in their language here, then they might want to make a check on their language outside of this Web sute.

Just sayin......

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 4:43 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:43:36 -0400

Rank should be respected no matter what, and above that, people should be respected. A senior enlisted or officer may not be addressed as they should be all the time, but never should they be outright disrespected in any way. In other words, I may not refer to a Senior Chief as Senior Chief, but I ain't gonna tell him to shut the hell up either.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 4:58 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 16:58:25 -0400

I'm with Capt Jeff S., only I would add that throwing rank at veterans isn't a good thing either. For the most part, I've only seen the rank being thrown by political ideologues who disagree with a position.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 21 at 2015 5:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 17:30:18 -0400

Yes it is a part of our military identity it is a large part of who we are as soldiers and it helps others see an idea of where we are in the military it is not everything but it is important.

Response by SFC Lisa Hirst made Jun 21 at 2015 6:09 PM

SFC Lisa Hirst — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:09:14 -0400

Regardless if your retired or active you should always maintain your military bering. There are many times that people of higher and lower ranks rub us the wrong way I would like to think that just ignoring the person or what they said or did is the best option as long as it doesn't disrespect them

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jun 21 at 2015 6:45 PM

SN Greg Wright — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:45:19 -0400

I think in this venue, RESPECT matters more than rank. Both directions.

However, I do cringe when I see active members say something like 'I really hate xxxx president'...because it's against the regs to do so publicly, isn't it? But my cringe is for their sake, not for the president.

Response by SCPO Lee Pradia made Jun 21 at 2015 6:54 PM

SCPO Lee Pradia — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 18:54:58 -0400

In my opinion there's no privilege of rank here, but mutual respect for each other , each members opinions and advice. We should not behave like the general populace that's on Facebook. We are professionals and should communicate as such. Discretion is the better part of valor.

Response by SSG Stephen Arnold made Jun 21 at 2015 7:28 PM

SSG Stephen Arnold — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:28:51 -0400

I have seen absurd posts from folks of all ranks. I have seen brilliant posts from folks of all ranks.

Respect matters.

"...and that's all I got to say about that."

Response by CPL Jay Strickland made Jun 21 at 2015 7:52 PM

CPL Jay Strickland — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 19:52:23 -0400

No because many of us have done so much more since getting out of the service.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jun 21 at 2015 8:16 PM

Cpl Christopher Bishop — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:16:59 -0400

I believe that within the active duty military, the issue of rank is about respect, and those with rank earning the respect of their subordinates to the point they never have to "pull rank".

I also believe that if rank is ever going to be used as any sort of "measure of the value of a person and thus their words" that it should also be relevant how many years of service they have put in. I am not talking about the simple measure of TIS Seniority. What Im saying is that I might give a veteran more credit for volunteered EAS as an E4 with the promotion points for E5 who simply chose to go home, than I might give the same guy who has been sitting on E5-E6 for the next 14 years and just cant seem to find his E7.

I have a hard time grasping those who cannot make E4 (whether E4s in their branch are also NCOs or not) in a single 4 year enlistment. Likewise, it probably shouldn't take 19 years to make E7.

I am not picking on anyone here. Just offering some perspective. There are many Honorably Discharged Veterans here chose to get out and go home because they were not afraid to do so, and didn't need the rigid structure of military life provided to them indefinitely. That said, I'm not necessarily suggesting that all those who chose to make it a career all had their self-serving needs...but there are always those few.

I believe one's general character and performance is of far more value than they rank they wear, and that this rank is supposed to be reflective upon that character. And if/when that isn't the case, then it becomes the primary MO of the newly promoted to work towards being more worthy of that new rank such that nobody would ever question it. Those who do not are inviting others to call them out...or at least smirk when they get "Up or Out"ed, and are sent home with 16-19 TIS, and not a single benefit over what what single-enlistees gained.

I noticed 59% of the Vote here said Yes. I'm guessing there may be more active duty folks here than there are veterans...who may to some extent still be programmed to be less free-thinkers and more bowing down to rank. If that were not the case...then we wouldn't have had prior discussions about some folks here on RP "pulling rank"...meaning they pull rank because they believe that works, or that it should work. I say Earn My Respect, and never need to Pull Rank.

I also suggest that I do not believe anyone should feel fear of rank in speaking about whatever non-classified material on RP...as this pretty much undermines the purpose of RP. Veterans before your service years earned your freedoms and rights for you, just as you are earning the same for those who come after you.

One could also look at it inversely...I could say No one on RP has ever Pulled Rank on me, because I haven't done anything to warrant it. It all boils down to various levels of Respect.

Response by SGT Joe Sabedra made Jun 21 at 2015 8:49 PM

SGT Joe Sabedra — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:49:16 -0400

Both sides regardless of rand should be respectful.
No one side regardless of rand should talk down to another.

It's a discussion not company policy.
Even if it is about a policy none of us can change it.

Response by MSgt Robert Slagle made Jun 21 at 2015 8:54 PM

MSgt Robert Slagle — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:54:52 -0400

While I'm proud of all I achieved over my career I can tell you, in the real world your rank means nothing. Second of all, Rally Point doesn't exactly have a vetting process for people here. That O5 could very well be a high school dropout who never served but is computer savvy.

What I find far more important than acknowledging others rank or former rank is acknowledging your Brothers and Sisters in arms and extending your fellow man basic/common courtesies.

Respect each other for your service, sacrifice and dedication to our country, not for temporary titles.

Response by Cpl Trenton Davis made Jun 21 at 2015 8:58 PM

Cpl Trenton Davis — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 20:58:56 -0400

I believe rank matters, everyone on here EARNED their respective rank and need to be treated with the respect they earned by achieving that rank.

Response by PO2 Skip Kirkwood made Jun 21 at 2015 9:05 PM

PO2 Skip Kirkwood — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 21:05:04 -0400

Does it "matter" - no. Is it of interest? Yes, because it provides perspective.

But one should be careful about making assumptions based on the rank shown on RP. While it may be (questionably) OK to make assumptions about education, etc., based on existing active duty rank (although that is less valid than it used to be; plenty of enlisted folks with graduate degrees still serving), my PO2 was earned 40 years ago, and there have been lots of changes since then.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Jun 21 at 2015 11:25 PM

COL Charles Williams — Sun, 21 Jun 2015 23:25:33 -0400

Yes, of course, it matters. But, really the issue respect.

I don't throw it around (never have), but I still (and always will) seniors by rank, and CSMs as CSMs etc. I treat everyone with dignity and respect, because that is the way I want to be treated, and that is the right thing to do.

Folks who hide within the electronic world and try to resolve all their frustrations, are weak and would not do the same in person. I always consider the source and venue.

Rank matters, this is after all a military site. But, more importantly, in this small circle of veterans respect is the most important value to remember.

Response by SSG Martin Reyna made Jun 22 at 2015 4:40 AM

SSG Martin Reyna — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 04:40:33 -0400

It is a matter of respect. Its about the brotherhood/Sisterhood. Everyone earns there Rank.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 5:38 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 05:38:31 -0400

No, with caveats. Anyone should be able to tell anyone else their honest opinion without fear of reprisal. It's the internet, not military base. Just because I can see someone's rank doesn't automatically make me start putting in "sir" for every comment.

That said, rank can sometimes, but not always, be an indicator. If a guy is listed as a Lt Col, he's probably been around a while, and probably has some idea what he's talking about, at least when it comes to military matters. I would not give the same weight to a 2LT or a private, just based on experience.

That all said, in some of the political threads, the argument should be able to stand on its own. If you find yourself leaning on your rank or experience to make your argument, you are probably making a weak argument.

Response by SGT William Howell made Jun 22 at 2015 8:29 AM

SGT William Howell — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:29:18 -0400

Rank matters. This is a professional site and as such we need to act accordingly. Does that mean we need to bow to the will or opinion of those higher than us? Absolutely not, but you should be respectful in doing so.

I saw that same discussion and I thought the same thing. I am pretty sure there is some history there we are not privy to. Still it was not very professional.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 9:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:06:59 -0400

One's military rank is not a status whereby we are better than another person as it is a level of responsibility while actively serving in one's respective branch of service. When a service member departs service we no longer retain the duties and responsibilities associated with our previously held military position. In essence we are once again civilians as if this was not so no one would desire to volunteer to serve unless they supported socialism in that big government would be their rule and guide for life.

Think about it as we military retirees are annuitants and are no longer being paid for service as most barracks lawyers love to quote that we are still subject to the UCMJ which is not so. With all of this for the member's of our Armed Forces still serving they know what they can and cannot do while they should be treated no differently then anyone else on Rally Point. The solution is that everyone on this site should be subject to the same rules and guidelines requiring that everyone treat each other in a professional manner regardless of current position in life.

Just because someone was a junior enlisted member while they were serving does not mean that they do not move forward with their lives. I have seen junior enlisted members who are now doctors or even high ranking civilian Senior Executive Service Tier IV warranting similar entitlements to that of Four Star Generals, Flag Officers, and Political Leaders. I like all of my brother's and sister's here am proud of my service while I have moved on with my life and am doing what is necessary to be successful as the citizen of the greatest country in the world.

Finally, it seems that the most senior folks here remain the most respectful and are not rapped up in what you were moreover the topic of discussion. The benefit is that senior ranking personnel are great mentors in that they are more often then not in senior positions after military service. My best friend is a normative level Command Sergeant Major who treats me no differently then anyone else while I am a retired Sergeant First Class whereby he being like my biological brother and I do not spend time discussing military related issues. His wife and he are the Godparents to my wife and my children while I can be in the presence of senior or junior personnel in that as I did on active duty I treat everyone the same.

A good leader is one who set's the example always taking the hard right over the easy wrong while military service is a great foundation for development like no other organization. The reality is that if someone has risen to such ranks they have earned such and should at the very least be given the same respect that they give other's. I love all of our troops regardless of branch and do not consider myself better then anyone. Presently, I work directly for an Special Executive Staff Tier-1 who has a Navy Captain Directly under him and can tell you that what I was has nothing to do with what I am as well as what is most important in the accomplishments I continue to make. It is in poor form for anyone to disrespect another while all issues have two sides to them and should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis.

That same person you disrespect here may very well be the hiring manager for a position that you apply for in the future.

God bless our Troops!

Anything that have written herein is that of my own opinion or viewpoint, and in no way represented, shared, or supported by my employer.

Response by SSG Christopher Freeman made Jun 22 at 2015 9:38 AM

SSG Christopher Freeman — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:38:44 -0400

It shouldn't, but that is taking into account that everyone can communicate in a professional manner. With that not always being the case, we need to be mindful of rank. You can get in trouble for what you say online so be aware of that.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 10:19 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:19:41 -0400

Professionalism matters. As RP is full of people who served, or are still serving, we should always show respect for each other.
Calling people by rank and name, sir or ma'am, etc.
But for actual discussions, and the ability to contribute to them, rank shouldn't matter.

Unless the topic is I just became this rank/duty position, advise on it?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 10:21 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:21:57 -0400

It is a respect thing. It is one of the basic ideals taught in boot & OCS - respect for those that wear the uniform, no matter their rank.

Response by PO1 Henry Sherrill made Jun 22 at 2015 10:28 AM

PO1 Henry Sherrill — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:28:56 -0400

I said No, mainly because RP is an open network for individuals to voice their opinion on various subjects. However, Decorum would be to show respect to all RP users regardless of their military rank. People that do not show respect to other users can be reported for their actions to the powers that be here at RP.

Response by SFC Walter Mack made Jun 22 at 2015 10:29 AM

SFC Walter Mack — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:29:02 -0400

I don't care what medium of social media you use. If you are currently serving, then rank matters. If you wouldn't say it to me at work, you shouldn't say it anywhere else. Despite the illusion provided by the internet, you can still get yourself in trouble with a keyboard. Don't believe me? Ask the JAG rep at your next TARP or equivalent training. Also don't let anyone tell you otherwise. They are just starting drama.

That said, if you are a veteran or retiree, your rank is a fond memory and one indicator of your wisdom and experience. You are no longer beholden to the military or it's systems and once again enjoy all freedoms as an American. You can either hold respectful discourse or act like a jerk. Enjoy

Response by MSgt Roger Younce made Jun 22 at 2015 10:31 AM

MSgt Roger Younce — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 10:31:10 -0400

Even throughout my military career and even today rank was not a big deal to me. I respected everyone the same and those that worked with me understood the picking order and respected one another. Now don't get me wrong, I respect people and not the rank/titles. If a person wants my respect they have to earn it, even today. Also, if a person wants me to respect them because of their rank they are using the wrong approach with me. The quickest way to NOT earn my respect is to tell me I have to respect you because of your rank or title. I have a tendency to get worked up when I am told I "HAVE TO" respect someone. But hey, that is just me and I am a strange man.

Lastly, I am not referring to anyone in this forum. This is just my take on rank and titles.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 11:03 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:03:25 -0400

Cadet PFC Private RallyPoint Member it should matter in the way we address SM, respect and experience matters. However, very often we give more importance to what the Senior Leaders say than what the Junior Ranking brings to the table. Is not surprising that an O5 that brings exactly the same response as an E4 get all the up votes and the other don't.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 12:24 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:24:08 -0400

Yes rank matters, but what matters more is respect. On Rally Point, we can disagree with anybody regardless of whether it's a higher or lower ranking individual; regardless of whether the person is retired or no,t but the bottom line is to be respectful and courteous to everybody on Rally Point regardless of rank! A senior in rank who berates a junior is not showing the leadership and maturity that the rank symbolizes. Remember a salute is a sign of mutual respect to our brothers and sisters in arms; the junior merely INITIATES the salute. The senior also salutes back too!

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Jun 22 at 2015 12:28 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:28:40 -0400

In the best world we wouldn't need to rely on rank to get respect or courtesy. I have no problem disagreeing with any rank, but being rude shows a lack of professionalism. One of the great aspects of RP is the free exchange of opinions and ideas across the boundaries of rank or service affiliation.

Response by SSG Mike Angelo made Jun 22 at 2015 1:30 PM

SSG Mike Angelo — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:30:27 -0400

What really matters to me is how this social media site serves as a tool of past, present and future like-minded folks. We...the military folks...Private to General, Seaman to Admiral, et al.

It gives me great pleasure to share my experience with those with similiar topics. I am a life long learner and enjoy the comraderie of this social media site.

Where I am at now and how to better my group of folks, or organization as well as my own life juxtaposition with folks up on Rally Point. My little tid bits may not get the concensus here, however, my expectation is mutual respect for one another. I would like to think that I am growing ...

Branch of Service and our last or current Rank is our Brand. We know it and express it accordingly. We know stuff that others outside our Brand do not know. We have the opportunity to share our experiences from our era of service.

I served mostly in a peacetime era 76-96. Pre-911... I saw folks coming back in the military from Vietnam service. I can tell you all that it was very challenging. More specifically, folks re-entered the military due to our society's laws ... end result is community service, jail time or other paths.

I see the same thing today....society versus the veteran with hard challenges and choices.There are challenges on both sides.

This site gives me the opportunity to share and learn, and thats what matters to me most of all.

As a Veteran my Rank is an identifier of which I came from last military experience, however, it does not Brand me from my current education and current life experiences on the outside. Outside...meaning living back in the World, in an open and free society; America.

Response by SFC Jeff Stevenson made Jun 22 at 2015 1:36 PM

SFC Jeff Stevenson — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:36:39 -0400

I don't believe rank should matter as much as respect. Those of us have spent enough time and have been taught how to treat peers, both active and reserved, or retired. It does make me laugh inside watching a conversation grow with different views and someone of higher rank swears they are correct. Then after being polite, respectful and explaining their view, are able to have both see from different points. People can agree to disagree. Its how we deal with things, and a great reason to enjoy retirement. Critical thinking is not personal, but logic based and defies rank. Logic over anger and respect with always win out over disrespect and stupidity. Rank was fine and sets up a great groundwork, but here, everyone is held on the same footwork. Be respectful, be honest and no more RHIP.

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Jun 22 at 2015 2:29 PM

Capt Mark Strobl — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:29:10 -0400

Where's the "Sort Of" vote button? Look, I'm a veteran. My DD-214 says I WAS a Captain. Right now, I'm an active member of the 1st CivDiv. Call me "Mark," "Captain," or "Sir." I don't care. Yes, I earned my rank. But, that is my past.

However, I've seen "colorful" tones on this site. I'm always taken back when I see disrespectful behavior going in both directions. It's disappointing.

I will defer to an outstanding response from Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS below: In on on-line forum, rank does mean something. But, people come here for entertainment, career advise, and to seek others' perspectives (among other things). Regardless of rank-present or -past, bring your professional hat to this arena.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 2:33 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 14:33:59 -0400

If rank matters, it has to go both ways. Since I have no issues saying someone higher ranking than myself may be ignorant or flawed, I can't very well try to condemn others for doing the same; I'm not such a fan of hypocrisy. No, I don't think rank should matter, as most people here are older and either retired or high-ranking. If rank matters, junior members aren't allowed to do much other than agree and nod their heads, and what good is that in a forum?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 3:22 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 15:22:10 -0400

First off you should always be respectful even to those with lower rank, higher rank, or no rank.

Second if you are active duty you are obligated to behave appropriately and with-in the confines of accepted behavior.

Third....although a lot of folks are retired or separated having a rank associated with a comment allows one to put it into context.

For example if we were discussing dorm living and problems with the DFAC a junior enlisted's comment may hold more weight than a retired General's.

Conversely if we are discussing strategic applications of units a General officer's comment may hold more weight.

I would stress however that in no circumstances should anyone be dismissive towards folks on this site because.....as I've seen stated here many times .....this is not the military version of Facebook.....it's intended to be a professional resource and as such folks should act accordingly.

Bottom-line it's called manners and common courtesy and unfortunately there seems to have been a massive decline in it over the last 20 years......from both the "old" and the "young"

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 6:48 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 18:48:13 -0400

This is the internet. You're all the same rank here. No need to inflate the egos even more. Frankly if you have to give someone a hint to stop harrassing you...then I think you need to be firm.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 7:01 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:01:00 -0400

I equate rank on here like when I'm out in public and I see a E-5's spouse at Wal-Mart "wearing" her husbands rank while spewing filth from her mouth. Now that being said "we" soldiers using RP should respect the rank of all individuals on here.

Response by PO3 Joseph Wieck made Jun 22 at 2015 7:04 PM

PO3 Joseph Wieck — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:04:58 -0400

I respond with respect to all, but I am a "Depends on the situation kind of person". To me, this is a "out of uniform in the civilian world" kind of place. We do know they are a senior rank, but we are not in uniform or on official duty. Respect is expected both ways and should be given. Now there can be instances where an enlisted may have to tell an officer to back off. Harassment can go many different ways. However, if it was a simple reply that the other didn't like, then it is out of line and he should be called on it. For me, I tend to be more harsh on those around my own ranking when they step out of line, and I think that is normal.

Response by SPC Makissa Lewis made Jun 22 at 2015 7:39 PM

SPC Makissa Lewis — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 19:39:13 -0400

Rank no but respect always. You may not agree what someone posted or their comments but if you can communicate respectful then their should not be a problem.

Response by LTC Michael Ennabe made Jun 22 at 2015 8:18 PM

LTC Michael Ennabe — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:18:23 -0400

Mutual respect is all that is required - ever.

PS Consider not using "E5", instead say the rank - i.e., SGT. E5 is just a pay grade. SGT is a position of honor that brings respect. Same for the officer. Retired or not.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 8:27 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 20:27:46 -0400

Respect has to go both ways but yes professionalism is important not just with Officers but in everyday life.

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 9:06 PM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:06:23 -0400

I think it adds an element of professional fun to this forum that makes RP stand out as unique from LinkedIn, Facebook, and others. We all are or were part of the brotherhood/sisterhood of the military, and I imagine many of us find a certain comfort of structure and a natural fit that those of us who are veterans or retirees fall back into rather easily. It also adds background and context to the discussion points. Does it "matter?" Perhaps not. But for me it adds an element of timelessness of service that I find appealing across all ranks and Services.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Jun 22 at 2015 9:24 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:24:46 -0400

Rank will always matter whether we like it or not.
Respect though is something that we should be giving and receiving here and more to do with how we conduct ourselves.
Not all enlisted E-6 and below are service monkeys and not every E-7 and above is god (or the military equivalent).
I may not have liked a certain person of a certain rank while active duty but I never disrespected them either regardless of their rank.
Lets remember to be respectful of our brothers and sisters on here because we have all experienced the military in our own way, and the new people on here need to see it as it will help them grow as military members.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 22 at 2015 10:36 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 22:36:20 -0400

We seem to have covered pretty well how it should be...Respect goes both ways, up and down; Rank matters 24/7 for active duty; the majority of us "old(er) timers" still use rank when referring to others, as it's still in our DNA; Professional discussions-back and forth differning opinions that are kept respectful and professional need not worry about rank, etc...etc. All great points and totally on target.

However the rare reality is that we come across the self-rightous, self-inflacted egomaniac, Facebook type blogger (with rank or big headed ego) who tends to forget the RP rules and guidelines we all agreed upon when we joined. We will have these "idiots" among us and though fortunately they do not crawl out of their hole too often, it does and will happen. I've been in several topics where it has happened. Some of us will put our fingers in automatic pilot and blast right back either in response to an assinine comment made to us or to come to the aide of another who was blasted. It happens!

These idiots are often "not" reported, when they should be reported everytime and hopefuly eventually thinned from the Rally Point Gene Pool (membership). As, no matter what is said to them, their self-inflated plated ego only emboldens them to continue with their ignorance and jump from one topic to another looking for an arguement. The more chaos they cause, the more they continue to do it.

Don't hesitate to report them! Cut em off at the wrists....at least here in RP.

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Jun 22 at 2015 10:53 PM

MSgt Jim Wolverton — Mon, 22 Jun 2015 22:53:15 -0400

I'm retired, rank has zero importance to me, I displayed obligatory customs and courtesies for 24 years. Now I'm polite but that's it.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Jun 23 at 2015 12:19 AM

SGT Rick Ash — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 00:19:43 -0400

Rank is irrelevant in RP except for exceptional politeness in responding to senior NCO's and all officers. They have earned our respect simply by virtue of their rank.

Also, we can learn a lot from both groups. E-5's and 0-3's have been in or were in long enough to have some great "war stories"

Don't be afraid to ask any rank a question you believe they may be particularly qualified to answer. You are the first PFC (Cadet or otherwise) I have seen post a question plus the above and beyond in creating a survey poll. (There is one entire thread devoted to the lack of E-4's and below that participate and the lack of "Butterbars (2nd LT's up to 0-3's, Captains)

Thank for your service and Welcome to Rally Point!

Response by SSG Thomas Brousseau made Jun 23 at 2015 1:00 AM

SSG Thomas Brousseau — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 01:00:56 -0400

If you are still serving in the military the answer is absolutely YES. If you are retired it all depends on the "total" skill set level that you developed and are comfortable with and know that you are skilled enough to debate with a higher ranking individual on a particular subject. Thats the beauty of being a civilian. But you should never use profanity and try to be as professional as possible at all times.

Response by CPT Bruce Rodgers made Jun 23 at 2015 4:24 AM

CPT Bruce Rodgers — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 04:24:13 -0400

Well I see as I'm a PFC private freakin civilian

Response by SPC Negel Mohammed made Jun 23 at 2015 7:42 AM

SPC Negel Mohammed — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 07:42:28 -0400

I believe yes because we earned our ranks, and No because it might put fear in what we really want to say.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jun 23 at 2015 8:02 AM

CDR Michael Goldschmidt — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:02:13 -0400

Should rank matter? Not to get all Bill Clinton on ya'll, but it depends on what you mean by matter, and it depends on what rank means to you. For me, rank is a couple of things: it's a piece of information, a data point letting me draw (possibly incorrect) conclusions about a certain phase in someone's life, and it's some indicator of the scope and type of responsibility someone has or had when in uniform. In a military context, rank is a political appointment, a government tag, marking our authority in performing a mission. It's not personal, and, in a (supposedly) free society, makes no distinction of our value to that society.

I am constantly impressed, here on RP and elsewhere, how some of the lowest-ranking veterans are the ones who have achieved the most after leaving the military. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The more time one spends on one thing gives him/her less time to spend on everything else. Furthermore, rank is often indicative of time in the military, and someone who spends more time in, especially during high-tempo op periods, is more likely to be negatively affected, psychologically or physically, by the experience.

Now, as a retired officer, I have no authority to carry out a military mission, so my rank is largely honorary. If you choose to honor my rank, okay. I'd rather, though, that you honor my input, take from it what you can use, and set the rest aside. Here, on RP, we have the opportunity to know each other as people, regardless of rank, an ability which was severely limited BY rank during our service.

I welcome the opportunity to interact civilly with all of you. Call me Mike or Commander or whatever. It's of no consequence to me.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Jun 23 at 2015 9:19 AM

COL Jon Thompson — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:19:30 -0400

This is a forum for people to discuss things and agree/disagree with others regardless of rank. In the long run, rank does not mean anything on here because you cannot exert any authority over others as you can in a military unit. I think it is important that others respect people regardless of rank so I would hope that all disagreements be respectful. I would also like to see that in units as well. But in the end, your rank does not grant you any special privileges on here so it really does not matter. I have read some very articulate, well thought out comments from junior enlisted and I would be foolish to disregard those just because of their lower rank.

Response by TSgt Trevor Vander made Jun 23 at 2015 9:20 AM

TSgt Trevor Vander — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:20:18 -0400

Respect should be universal - something I have an issue with my oldest child understanding actually...

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 9:35 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 09:35:13 -0400

Yes. A million times, yes.

This is not a power play in keyboard warfare, this is simply a respect and courtesy for another human being. Whether one is serving now or gave it up a long time ago, we are on here because we enjoy the military aspect. Otherwise, folks should stay on FB.

Whether in person or here on RP, I always address people with respect irrespective of rank. If I disagree, I do so respectfully. If one disagrees with me, I acknowledge and foster a conversation about it. If someone tries to have a go at me/light me up, I will and have burnt them to the ground. ((Thank goodness, the latter has only happened a few times)).
:)

Response by LTC Ed Ross made Jun 23 at 2015 11:20 AM

LTC Ed Ross — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:20:43 -0400

It's not a question of rank is just a question of common courtesy. Many people have gotten too used to being discourteous an abrupt on the Internet. If you disagree with what someone said Or don't like how they said it, there's a way to respond without becoming nasty. One of the main reasons I like RP it because people do discuss things intelligently and courteously.

Response by SPC Don Stringer made Jun 23 at 2015 12:16 PM

SPC Don Stringer — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:16:46 -0400

I still respect rank and the person, but as a veteran, I no longer feel as if I have to reserve what I say to former officers based upon my junior grade, like on Active duty. I am a civilian now, I am middle aged, and I have earned the right as an adult to express my views. As a servicemen, you are required to voice nothing but respect for the elected officials such as the President. As a Private citizen, I have the right to say what I want.
None of that means I should speak disrespectfully or behave in a disrespectful manner.
In my mind, we never really leave the service, its in your blood from the day you swore an Oath of Service. I do not recall raising my hand to swear off my obligations to defend and protect the Nation, The Constitution, obey those appointed over me.

Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Jun 23 at 2015 12:24 PM

SSG Ed Mikus — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:24:53 -0400

Customs and courtesies are defined clearly by regulation, they should be followed here as with anywhere else.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Jun 23 at 2015 12:30 PM

CAPT Kevin B. — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:30:52 -0400

Rank matters to me in helping figure out where someone is coming from. I remember being an E-1 with no clue all the way up to O-6 with a few clues. Rank also matters when talking to mils looking to transition to the civilian workforce. Background, education, skills, etc. are all over the board with the objective being helping ease their way. "Stubborn" plays out differently many times between enlisted and officer.

Bottom line, motivation is what drives the rank issue. Are you there to help or rub noses in it?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 12:36 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:36:03 -0400

Yes and no. Despite RP being an internet forum, we still owe it to ourselves and our fellow service members to render respect and maintain some semblance of proper customs and courtesies (i.e. rudeness and/or trolling is inappropriate here regardless of rank). In addition, a high-ranking individual indubitably has more experience and military-related wisdom to offer the community than your typical PFC. However, posters should not discredit or disregard the postings of a junior soldier/sailor/airman/marine solely because of their rank; often, junior SMs can offer a perspective that senior SMs are no longer as familiar with as they once were.

Response by SrA David Roby made Jun 23 at 2015 1:19 PM

SrA David Roby — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 13:19:24 -0400

I would like to pose a question on this. I got out of the Air Force as a E-4 January 2000. So how does my rank of then have any bearing on me now? I have achieved a much higher rank in life as have others so how does this apply. I can understand for those that are on here and are currently serving but those of us that have moved on in life rank doesn't really apply.

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Jun 23 at 2015 2:01 PM

SA Harold Hansmann — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:01:27 -0400

Nothing wrong with just being plain old fashioned respectful and courteous regardless of rank.

Response by SSG Rhett Harris made Jun 23 at 2015 2:06 PM

SSG Rhett Harris — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:06:42 -0400

Agree for those still serving. We have a couple of ways to view this situation. First, as and SFC Pitt correctly stated, our peers here who are still in uniform are subject to the UCMJ and should conduct themselves accordingly. Secondly, and I believe more importantly in the grand scheme of life is that we treat others with the decency and civility we want others to extend to us. If we hold to common courtesy in our comments and have a reasonable level of tolerance (PC BS-free zone), there should not be any issues. Grown ups acting like grown ups is all it is. Do we respect "rank" in the wide world outside the military? Sure. The higher ups in your place of work, our elders, community leaders, etc., are generally accorded an elevated level of respect.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 2:23 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:23:27 -0400

While this is predominately a military site this is still social media.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Jun 23 at 2015 4:30 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:30:40 -0400

I don't think it's as simple as yes and no, but I'm leaning more toward yes as a correct answer.

The rank by my name says SPC, but in all honesty for the last 20+ years I've been a PFC, "Proud f-ing civilian". That said, my intentions are ALWAYS to show the same level of respect I would to anyone. I may be more inclined to put more weight in the opinions of someone who holds (or held) a higher rank because of their experience and because that higher ranks are rarely obtained by someone who has not taken the initiative to educate themselves.

I'd also like to point out that the Commander in Chief outranks "every swingin' Richard" I've seen on here, and yet disrespect is common, accepted, and sometimes even encouraged.

In addition to my opinion that we should all respect each other always, I would say that active service members who would disrespect another service member who may at some time in their career have the ability to make life extra difficult for them... well that would be a special kind of stupid, and I guess it's evidence of karma if it comes back to bite them.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 4:44 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 16:44:57 -0400

It's not the rank, it's the title for what an individual has worked so hard to earn. I'll put it this way.....My Daddy made me an "Oles", my Mama made me a "Stephen"... but I made me a Master Sergeant, and proud of it..

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 23 at 2015 9:34 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jun 2015 21:34:56 -0400

For the 43% of you who voted that rank shouldn't matter; "Have you all lost your minds?"
You shouldn't say something here that you dare not say to someone's face. Remember these terms?; this is primarily for those here still on active duty, but hopefully those who are not still hold dear to themselves; respect, discipline, professionalism, candor, tact, setting the example, are all words that should be engrained in ourselves. There are more than just a few creeds we strive to live our professional lives by. If you're not getting it, then you may be pursuing the wrong career. Disrespect to a Superior, an Officer or Non-Commissioned Officer is not protected behind the screen of your computer.
We are better than that. This is a great site to build and share, but not one to take for granted. Regardless of which branch of service you belong to or served in the past, we all agreed to conduct ourselves in a military manner, regardless of rank or position.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2015 12:51 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 00:51:16 -0400

It most certainly does especially if you are on Active Duty or currently serving in a Guard or Reserve unit. Customs and Courtesies exist in all places and in all mediums of communications. If you don't already know this, then you need to brush up on regulations.

Response by SSgt Matthew Lopez made Jun 24 at 2015 11:42 AM

SSgt Matthew Lopez — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:42:10 -0400

I don't get paid anymore to be a part of rank structure, but that doesn't mean I like to show my ass to everyone either. I'm respectful to others by choice and I'm not on here to bust out a ruler to start measuring you know what with other people.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2015 12:52 PM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:52:02 -0400

Sure, rank can indicate experience and an educated opinion. I would take advice from a SSG more seriously than that from a PV2.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 24 at 2015 1:52 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 13:52:07 -0400

Yes it should, we are still proffesionals in what we do. Now there is a way to talk to someone and a way not too. This should matter cause of rank. But as one of my old commanders would say when you disagree with someone don't let your rank write a check your ass can't cash.

Response by Cpl Ricardo Toledo made Jun 24 at 2015 4:34 PM

Cpl Ricardo Toledo — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:34:39 -0400

I believe that it all depends on the attitude of the individual. If you are retired or just been out a while (not retired) then you shouldn't get your panties in a bunch if someone doesn't acknowledge your rank. I think if you honorably served then the respect will come out automatically

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Jun 24 at 2015 5:53 PM

Sgt Jay Jones — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 17:53:58 -0400

I think rank matters regarding military courtesy and respect. However, it does not matter when it comes to expressing your opinion as long as you maintain military courtesy.

Response by SPC Brendan Kearns made Jun 24 at 2015 9:15 PM

SPC Brendan Kearns — Wed, 24 Jun 2015 21:15:23 -0400

Not as long as everybody can be a professional and an adult

Response by SSG Patrick Hayes made Jun 25 at 2015 7:36 AM

SSG Patrick Hayes — Thu, 25 Jun 2015 07:36:52 -0400

Be respectful but remember it's an opinion and if your gonna be upset that someone didn't say ma'am or sir then you shouldn't be on a site that asks for personal opinion and remember that if you are active duty you can be held liable for said opinion if someone takes offense

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 25 at 2015 7:09 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:09:37 -0400

Just recently we had this covered in an briefing on social media. It actually does matter. If an officer is being disrespected by an enlisted member then he/she could be subject to ART 89. I don't think it is something that is likely to happen but I wouldn't dismiss it.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 25 at 2015 7:20 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sat, 25 Jul 2015 19:20:22 -0400

We need to treat everyone with dignity and respect.

Response by SSgt Terry P. made Aug 7 at 2015 1:51 PM

SSgt Terry P. — Fri, 07 Aug 2015 13:51:11 -0400

An individual on RP(or anywhere for that matter) should be respectful ,of but not intimidated by the rank of other individuals.They did earn it.

Response by SGT Lawrence Corser made Dec 7 at 2015 4:34 PM

SGT Lawrence Corser — Mon, 07 Dec 2015 16:34:53 -0500

I would use it as a respect if I saw them in real life but my dd214 means rank doesnt matter anymore.

Response by TSgt Aaron D. made Dec 15 at 2015 10:09 PM

TSgt Aaron D. — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 22:09:19 -0500

Everyone should show respect regardless of rank, however if the member is currently still serving then they are mandated to.

Response by SSG Rhett Harris made Jul 6 at 2017 1:20 PM

SSG Rhett Harris — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 13:20:50 -0400

Common courtesy and decency should always apply regardless of rank or current status. People can have differing opinions and even engage in spirited discussions without crossing the lines we all know exist. I know this sounds a little like PC BS but it is really more Golden Rule. A forum that encourages the free exchange of ideas has to make allowances for that. As long as your skin is not tissue paper thin, we will all be fine. Admittedly, I am no longer serving, but I will treat an O6 or an E1 equally until they give me a reason to do otherwise.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 9:56 PM

CW3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 21:56:42 -0400

This is supposed to be a professional open forum. That being said, everyone should have a voice here (in my opinion), but disrespecting someone of *any* rank is not professional. That being said, I have noticed a few officers on here (one 1LT in particular who--like some others--I actually question are real veterans) clearly trolling people on various discussions making inappropriate comments themselves. In these events, I would say as long as you have been respectful of their rank prior to their inappropriate comments, I have no problem with someone of lower rank calling them out (and have done so myself).

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2017 10:32 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 06 Jul 2017 22:32:34 -0400

I don't think respecting the rank is the issue here. On Rallypoint we respect each other as human beings with differing opinions first and foremost. I respect a PV1 on here and treat them as a person just as I would a 4-star general. This is an open discussion networking site. Not a toss about your rank site.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 13 at 2017 6:17 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:17:04 -0400

How about maybe. We should let officers post too

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Apr 24 at 2018 5:30 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:30:26 -0400

I'm retired, my name is Bill, my ranks might like my awards get me a cup of coffee or a free beer somewhere- but that's about it.- Hell I had a career in business as well- don't see any titles for that

Response by LCDR Joshua Gillespie made May 13 at 2019 7:34 AM

LCDR Joshua Gillespie — Mon, 13 May 2019 07:34:49 -0400

Cadet Roche-Yes, and no.

It matters (obviously) for those still serving, since interactions outside of the line of duty... even on social media... could have an impact between juniors and seniors. For those of us no longer on active or reserve status... I think it comes down to respect for the values RP is based on. That being said, for those of us who are "out", the consequences are different, so we have to use "adult" rules, and (I hope) a sense of common decency.

Response by Cpl Mark A. Morris made May 13 at 2019 9:24 AM

Cpl Mark A. Morris — Mon, 13 May 2019 09:24:00 -0400

Respect rank. Even if you do not respect the individual. It is my understanding, they earned their rank.
Use your words and set an example on word choice. It is tough sometimes.
Over.

Response by SGT Robert Wager made Jun 19 at 2022 4:33 PM

SGT Robert Wager — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 16:33:35 -0400

Rank is subjective in some instances depending on the subject being discussed. I have seen several Vietnam vets that can bring not only their military service experience but an entire lifetime of experience after their service to the discussion. Rank matters but it is not the be all and end all. A captain with 5-7 years of military leadership experience may not have the depth of experience of a SSG with 10 years of military and 30 years of post military experience. Each has a different perspective and both contribute a great deal of knowledge to any discussion.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 19 at 2022 6:12 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:12:39 -0400

Everyone should treat each other with dignity and respect. However, that is impossible with some posters.

Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Jun 20 at 2022 2:15 AM

SMSgt Lawrence McCarter — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 02:15:50 -0400

Yes, the rank Does matter, each person earned their rank and I'll address Senior Officers by their rank, they earned it and that doesn't change the fact We are brothers and sisters and served our country in the US Armed Forces. While on active duty I had Senior Officers, Lt Colonels, Colonels even General Officers up to Lt. General l that I dealt directly with and We did have a mutual respect and enjoyed working together and We were friends, many called Me by My first name but I still addressed them by their rank or called them Sir. I did the same with retired Military Officers and still do. In any event also being rude to people also doesn't fly no matter what the rank. When We can't even carry on a two way conversation in a respectable manner, agree or disagree on some subject area's or have a different opinion that also doesn't justify be disrespectful to each other no matter what ranks are involved. I won't say I've never come across anyone here I would just as soon not talk with but when the conversations are all one way and there is a complete lack of respect from them i will avoid them I don't expect all of us will agree on every issue or even expect others not to think for themselves and sometimes We will agree, sometimes We won't but that should have nothing to do with mutual respect or remaining friends.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made Jun 20 at 2022 12:48 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Mon, 20 Jun 2022 12:48:48 -0400

This question is specific to RP. Yes, Cadet, rank should matter here on RP. When you reply to somebody on RP it should be like you are replying to a veteran, retiree, or AD/Res/Guard in person. So, a Full Colonel says something, to which you would like to reply. You know that this is a Sr. Field Grade [Commissioned] Officer. If this were in person, how would you think your response should go? The same courtesy should be extended here, on RP, as it would be face-to-face.

With that said, I would like to thank you, Cadet, for bring up this question. It has generated some very good discussion.