Should retirees salute the flag?

2014-01-31T00:10:28-05:00

I know that current regulations have changed to allow retirees to salute the flag in passing.  My understanding is that it is allowed now, but voluntary.  What does everyone think?  As a retiree should I be saluting the flag in passing?

Response by LTC Jason Bartlett made Jan 31 at 2014 12:14 AM

2014-01-31T00:14:09-05:00

I think the rule as it is now is fine. I would choose to salute.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 5:03 AM

2014-02-01T05:03:47-05:00

Our flag is the symbol of our nation, the symbol of those who made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation and it is the symbol of the reason why we wear the uniform.  Saluting the flag shall be considered a great honor and done with outmost pried!

Response by 1SG Steven Stankovich made Feb 1 at 2014 7:29 AM

2014-02-01T07:29:46-05:00

Saluting the flag is a sign is respect.  Respect not only for the flag as the symbol of our nation, but also as a sign of respect for those who have fought and died for the flag and what it symbolizes.  I believe that it is the choice of every veteran and retiree to salute the flag they have defended through their service to our nation.  They have earned it. 

Response by CSM Chris McKeown made Feb 1 at 2014 8:15 AM

2014-02-01T08:15:14-05:00

In my opinion all Americans should salute the American flag, civilians should salute by placing their right hand over their heart. The American flag is for all Americans and represents freedom, it also represents the struggles and lives lost to keep that freedom both military and civilian. Every American should be proud of this country and what it stands for!

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2014 8:28 AM

2014-02-01T08:28:31-05:00

Any veteran who has served should have the right to salute the flag.  Not the privilege, the right to do so.  All Americans should stand and honor the flag in passing or salute to show that they understand what it means to honor and cherish what our flag stands for, a symbol of freedom.

Response by SPC Evan Martin made Feb 3 at 2014 9:58 PM

2014-02-03T21:58:22-05:00

So, just to clarify, for those of us that are veterans and not retirees, are we allowed to salute in civilian attire during the National Anthem, flag raising, etc.?

Response by SSG Robert Spear made Feb 3 at 2014 10:05 PM

2014-02-03T22:05:51-05:00

Yes. Why would you not salute the flag?

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Feb 4 at 2014 12:47 AM

2014-02-04T00:47:31-05:00

I don't know about enlisted retirees, but officers still technically hold their rank when they retire (albeit without the authorities that comes from being on AD). As such, saluting the flag is a privilege they have earned after 20 some years of their life given to their country.

Response by SSgt Robert Harriott made Feb 4 at 2014 11:45 AM

2014-02-04T11:45:35-05:00

I'm not sure about the Army who has always saluted without a cover, as a Marine veteran I prefer to simply stand at the position of attention while in civilian attire as I was taught and save saluting for when I am in uniform.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2014 5:11 PM

2014-02-04T17:11:23-05:00

I would like to think that ALL veterans WANT to salute the flag

Response by 1SG Johnny Carter made Feb 4 at 2014 7:07 PM

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As soon as I retire I will ALWAYS salute our Countries flag. It is an privilege to have defended our Nation and I will alway pay my respects. That is my God given right. And those that don't, it's your choice but I will represent our fallen with dignity and respect.

Response by SGT Mitch McKinley made Feb 5 at 2014 6:29 PM

2014-02-05T18:29:35-05:00

Absolutely. I would be not only in passing, but I do so at outdoor sporting events when the National Anthem is played. I believe that my service earned me the right and I have the honor and priveledge of doing so. The salute is a show of respect and courtesy, and I will absolutely render one when appropriate.

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 10 at 2014 3:43 PM

2014-02-10T15:43:01-05:00

Here is the regulatory guidance. AR 600-25, Table C-1. Do not forget, retirees are still reservists. Being on the retired list is much like being in the IRR, you may not have obligatory drill, but you are still technically a reservist, still in the military, still subject to the UCMJ, and still obligated to obey military regulation.

Response by SSG William Patton made Feb 12 at 2014 5:18 PM

2014-02-12T17:18:36-05:00

A law was passed by Congress a couple of years ago that gives retirees and veterans the option of saluting the flag or placing their hand over their heart. As I understand it, the option is available if the veteran is wearing a cover. Now, especially if i am at a sports event that plays the National Anthem when the colors are presented, I stand at attention and if wearing a cover, salute. I have found however, that many are not aware of this change and I have had people confromt me for my behavior. I now, to save trouble from the unaware, follow suit and remove my cover and place my hand over my heart.

Response by COL Roxanne Arndt made Feb 12 at 2014 9:51 PM

2014-02-12T21:51:20-05:00

Why is this being discussed? It's a choice one makes. I'm proud of my service as a member of the retired reserve and it's a personal choice at that point if you want to salute or put your hand over your heart when you see a flag or are standing for the national anthem. Its a sign of respect to the nation....

Response by MAJ Alex Hernandez made Feb 14 at 2014 2:01 PM

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We earned the right to salute the flag by our honorable service to the country. By presidential decree we have also been given the honor to salute our flag whether in or out of uniform. We should hold our heads high and honor our fallen and disabled comrades by saluting the flag at every chance an opportunity.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2014 3:24 PM

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It all depends on your respect for our nation, the armed force you served in, your own respect for your service, and your respect for those who have gone before you.  The American Flag, despite what some detractors might say, is NOT just a piece of cloth.  It is a symbol.  It embodies all that one enlists, serves, and sacrifices for. So if you respect all that, then a salute should be second-nature.  If you did it all JUST for a paycheck, then do not salute, as it would be fake and devoid of meaning.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2014 10:29 AM

2014-02-27T10:29:45-05:00

How can it be not allowed and voluntary?

I don't think it should be mandatory, but just voluntary.

Anything else wouldn't make sense

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 27 at 2014 11:00 AM

2014-02-27T11:00:08-05:00

Rules for Rendering Hand Salute of U.S. Flag

Law Now Allows Retirees and Vets to Salute Flag

Traditionally, members of the nation's veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag only while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.

A later amendment further authorized hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel. This was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14, 2008.

Here is the actual text from the law:

SEC. 595. MILITARY SALUTE FOR THE FLAG DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM
BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES NOT IN
UNIFORM AND BY VETERANS.

Section 301(b)(1) of title 36, United States Code, is amended by
striking subparagraphs (A) through (C) and inserting the following new
subparagraphs:
``(A) individuals in uniform should give the
military salute at the first note of the anthem and
maintain that position until the last note;
``(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who
are present but not in uniform may render the military
salute in the manner provided for individuals in
uniform; and
``(C) all other persons present should face the flag
and stand at attention with their right hand over the
heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it
at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

Note: Part (C) applies to those not in the military and non-veterans. The phrase "men not in uniform" refers to civil service uniforms like police, fire fighters, and letter carriers - non-veteran civil servants who might normally render a salute while in uniform.

This is an insert from Military.com

Response by SGT Christopher Smith made Feb 27 at 2014 11:00 AM

2014-02-27T11:00:48-05:00

Absolutely!  We have all earned the right to do so.  I am a member of the American Legion.  All Legionnaire members ALWAYS salute the flag!!

Response by MSG Cameron Davis made Feb 27 at 2014 2:38 PM

2014-02-27T14:38:54-05:00

When my time comes, I am sure that I will salute. Being a veteran is something no one can take from you. As they say, we are the 1% and by that alone you have the right in my opinion.

Response by SGT Thomas Sullivan made Feb 27 at 2014 2:41 PM

2014-02-27T14:41:14-05:00

This is pretty simple for me, I'm still getting payed by the Army as a retiree, I should still follow customs and courtesies.

Response by SPC Walt Johnson made Feb 27 at 2014 4:15 PM

2014-02-27T16:15:38-05:00

I always salute the flag , just because I am no longer active duty, the fact still remains that I took an oath, and that has no expiration.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2014 5:40 PM

2014-02-27T17:40:20-05:00

SSG
Hasbun, what you have posted is false. In addition, what you just quoted is
from the "Retirement Services Handbook" from G1. It is NOT regulatory
guidance nor does it supercede regulations, policies or even UCMJ. It is ONLY a
guide.

A retired Army service-member, NOT in
uniform, is NOT required to salute the flag but has the option to do so if they
so choose to per US Code Title 1, Chapter 1, Section 9. Under AR 600-25
Appendix C, Table C-1, which you posted above, retirees would generally fall
under sections 3 and 4. Retirees would fall under sections 1 and 2 ONLY if they
are wearing their uniforms, which they are limited to IAW AR 670-1, Chapter
30-3. In addition, under 10 U.S. Code, Subtitle A (General Military Law), Part
II (Personnel), Chapter 47 (UCMJ), SubChapter 1, Article 2d2 a & b, a
retiree may not be ordered to active duty to answer for an offense unless the
offense was committed by the retiree while on a) active duty or b) on
inactive-duty training. Therefore,
retirees, who are in civilian clothing and do NOT salute the flag, can not be
charged with violating the UCMJ.

Response by SGT Bryant Kazmerzak made Feb 27 at 2014 8:42 PM

2014-02-27T20:42:45-05:00

Gentleman the question is "Should retirees salute the flag"? This is not a battle of wits nor is it a trick question it is simply a question... I personally do salute the flag because I am proud of my country and to have served under our great flag... We all served and retired so we did earn rights the a civilian doesn't understand and some don't even respect. Despite civilian ignorance, we will not be punished if we forget to salute sometimes... But you can bet your sweet ass most retirees would still give their lives to protect our flag... These colors don't run...!

Response by SGT Jeremy Schlueter made Feb 28 at 2014 2:58 PM

2014-02-28T14:58:55-05:00

SSG, I know the reg was changed in a response to the large number of retirees that felt having given so much of their life in service to the flag, it was their right to salute it. Should you? That's up to you. I certainly wouldn't hold it against you if you did, just as I wouldn't if you didn't, your choice. If you do I'll shake your hand and thank you for leading the way.

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Feb 28 at 2014 3:02 PM

2014-02-28T15:02:31-05:00

Hell YES! I have earned the right to SALUTE the flag, covered and uncovered, and I for one believe it is not voluntary on my part, but an obligation. When I salute the Flag of our country I show respect, but more importantly I teach others about respecting our flag and our country.

When I salute the flag, in civilian clothing, I often get questions. Why did I do it? Who am I to do it incorrectly since I should be putting my hand over my heart? What am I doing? and so on and so forth. This is an opportunity to educate and train civilians, veterans, other retirees, and even military members. You would be surprised how many people do not know we are entitled to do this and saddened to see how many do not take the time to even salute in any manner. I have also corrected military members, in uniform about their lack of respect, go figure.

So, to answer your question one more time, YES! All Retirees, Vets, and Military members should salute and encourage others to do the same.

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Feb 28 at 2014 3:19 PM

2014-02-28T15:19:05-05:00

They aren't required, but are authorized by law. They changed it to allow for that a few years ago... not just retirees but all veterans.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2014 6:03 PM

2014-02-28T18:03:56-05:00

Absolutely and it is even more incumbent on me since it protects the heritage of this country and the heroes that have died for us.

Response by SSgt Christopher "TEX" F. made Feb 28 at 2014 6:08 PM

2014-02-28T18:08:48-05:00

Required or not....I still salute. If someone tells me I do not have to salute, I tell them I wish to out of respect for those gave their life, and those that served before me, for my freedoms. I [actually] miss retreat. I find it an extremely great honor to have served and I salute the flag whenever opportunity presents itself. If I appear silly to others for saluting, then I'll just be silly.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Feb 28 at 2014 6:09 PM

2014-02-28T18:09:21-05:00

Anyone that has sworn to defend it has earned the right to salute it.

Response by PO3 Mark Mothersead made Feb 28 at 2014 6:11 PM

2014-02-28T18:11:05-05:00

I think the current law change allows both Veterans and retirees to salute a flag in passing.... I look at it like this.... My service to my country is a life long commitment... The respect that I have for the flag is the same. So not only should I be allowed to saluted it.. I feel obliged to.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2014 9:43 AM

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I'm curious as to why retirees would need regulations to allow them to salute the flag? I salute the flag as a gesture of respect to the founders and all the brave men and women of the armed forces who have defended the Constitution and the republic. Each person needs to peer into their heart to see if the flag and the context of the moment represents what was or what is.

Response by CPT Richard Riley made Mar 2 at 2014 8:36 AM

2014-03-02T08:36:13-05:00

Saluting the flag, as several have stated here, is a display of respect for the symbol of the United States. Displaying respect for our symbol should not be considered an obligation, but a privilege and a right earned by our time in service. Proper respect should be accepted as a testament to that time in service.

Response by SGT Doug Witten made Mar 2 at 2014 9:39 AM

2014-03-02T09:39:30-05:00

When the situation presents itself I will do so without a doubt. Otherwise I feel that removing ball cap and hand over heart is appropriate.

Response by CPT Thomas Day made Mar 2 at 2014 11:16 AM

2014-03-02T11:16:19-05:00

While I know it is allowed, I just don't feel comfortable saluting out of uniform. Simply providing the full respect of standing at attention feels right.

Response by LT Davida Nelums made Mar 2 at 2014 1:42 PM

2014-03-02T13:42:04-05:00

I do as I did when on AD; I stand at attention if uncovered (Navy didn't salute uncovered). I am proud to render honor as a show of respect for our flag and all it stands for in our country.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2014 2:05 PM

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I'm a veteran, not a retiree, and I salute the flag. I have never bothered to read what the regulations say about veterans saluting, and I personally don't care. In my opinion, I've earned the right, and if anyone feels compelled to tell me different then they can mind their own damned business.

Response by Sgt Eben Osgood made Mar 4 at 2014 11:34 AM

2014-03-04T11:34:59-05:00

As a Marine, we do not salute unless under covers. That being said, when I attend events for running and cycling, I still stand at attention when the National Anthem is played, instead of placing my hand over my heart. I think it should be a voluntary action unless one is in the "uniform" of groups such as the VFW or MCL, which I believe they have in their regulations that they are to salute when in uniform.

Response by Sgt Eben Osgood made Mar 4 at 2014 11:41 AM

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I will make a further point to my previous response. I was in a situation just a few weeks ago in which my supervisor instructed me that our company's CEO requested all of the National Ensigns at our stores be lowered to half-mast at the request of our state governor. I told my supervisor that I could not lower the flag, in this case for the passing of a former state rep., because it is not within the protocols, and that only the President may order the National Ensign to be lowered. Though my opinions of the President may not be complimentary, I will still abide by his lawful orders; as a Marine, I do not recognize the authority of a governor over our National Ensign. And while I understand why people lower the flag in honor of firefighters, police officers, and military, it is not within regulation to do so.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2014 8:33 AM

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IMHO: yes it is authorized, and I feel as if all should render some form of respect to the flag. It's our flag, we love it, we built so much around it, it is on of our most sacred of National Treasures. However, should one choose not to that is within the scope of their freedom we; the members of the Armed Forces, have so graciously, honorably, sacrificially provided with our service in defense of that most important of documents, our Constitution. I do not feel as if it should be a "mandatory/required" gesture. So SSG McMurray, salute the flag, don't salute the flag, do with your freedom what you want. You earned it.

Response by SGT Sheldon Bromen made Mar 8 at 2014 6:19 PM

2014-03-08T18:19:04-05:00

it's your free choice, however I feel you should. I always do! its a sign of respect and honor to the flag, country, and all those that are and have fought for it, us, and others around the world!

Response by PV2 Christopher Graham made Mar 19 at 2014 6:16 AM

2014-03-19T06:16:58-04:00

I follow the old Army stand-by when it comes to saluting now that I'm a Vet: "When in doubt, whip it out!" Meaning,"If you are unsure whether you should salute or not, play it safe and salute. Better to seem overly respectful than the alternative....."

Response by Amn Dominic Andrews made Mar 25 at 2014 9:14 PM

2014-03-25T21:14:19-04:00

As any member of the US Armed Forces whether active duty, guard, reserves, retired, or separated veteran I believe saluting the flag should be done whether in service or out.

Response by SGT Timothy Byrd made Mar 25 at 2014 11:05 PM

2014-03-25T23:05:06-04:00

All I can say is as a disabled combat veteran I do & will continue to salute the flag.

Response by SFC Billy Bason made Mar 26 at 2014 1:11 AM

2014-03-26T01:11:05-04:00

Yes. Salute the flag...not to only show respect for it, but to respect the men and women who fought for it. It also really makes you reflect on why The United States is so damned awesome! Greatest nation on Earth!

Response by CPL Ron Peigler made Mar 28 at 2014 3:42 AM

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As a Veteran I Proudly salute the Our Great Flag every chance I get

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 29 at 2014 6:16 PM

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It should be a choice; what would you do if they didn't comply? Yell at them?

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 3 at 2014 10:02 PM

2014-04-03T22:02:23-04:00

If you want to salute the flag, that's your choice. You don't have to, it's just a sign of respect that you can render if you would like to. There's certainly nothing wrong with it.

Response by PO1 David Stockman made Apr 6 at 2014 6:07 PM

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WASHINGTON -- Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that took effect this month.

“The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those who have served in our nation’s armed forces,” said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. “This provision allows the application of that honor in all events involving our nation’s flag.”

The new provision improves upon a little known change in federal law last year that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did not address salutes during the national anthem. Last year’s provision also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.

Traditionally, members of the nation’s veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.

The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran. It was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14.

The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Apr 6 at 2014 6:12 PM

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If Covered Render a Salute, If uncovered Hand Over Heart. Nothing wrong with a little respect.

Response by SPC Mike Cefaly made Apr 8 at 2014 10:24 AM

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why not we service

Response by MSG Wade Huffman made Apr 15 at 2014 7:33 AM

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I'm a retiree, I have always saluted the flag.  I always will; and I didn't need a law passed to tell me I could!  To me, it's an honor and a sign of respect for our Nation and for all those who have and are serving. 

Response by SSG Eric Shuping made Apr 17 at 2014 4:27 PM

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I earned the right to salute so that's what I do.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 18 at 2014 2:00 PM

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As a Retiree you should salute not as an obligation but as a honor because you served for this country.

Response by SSG Jeffrey Spencer made Apr 18 at 2014 11:03 PM

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Cross-posted, but the same response.

When did it become not mandatory? It was when I was in and if you don't honor our flag and all it stands for, then you are likely in the wrong career, and even possibly the wrong country! It's called respect and Patriotism.

Response by SSG Marvin Vick made Apr 19 at 2014 10:15 AM

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of course you should if nothing else but for honoring the American flag and living in this great land of the bold and the free.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2014 11:21 AM

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SSG

You might not see folks failing to render honors (either civilian style or military salute) out west in UT....however, it's a common theme in many places east of the Rockies. I've been to many, many, many parades or events in which honors were NOT rendered by hundreds of people - much less stand up for the colors passing. So, here's my take on your question; Retirees and veterans are authorized to render honors using a hand salute - so do so! The RIGHT to render honors is OURS because Congress gave it to US! Make it YOUR responsibility to demonstrate the proper manner to render those honors and start a trend of shaming those who don't! Our brothers-in-arm's past, present and future will understand and approve!

Response by SFC Micheal Gibbens made Apr 19 at 2014 1:15 PM

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I believe that we should and I do on a daily basis. I also still recite the Pledge of Allegiance on a daily basis as a sign of respect.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Apr 26 at 2014 3:13 PM

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For some reason it seems like this went off track....bear with me. I seriously doubt that anyone will argue the point that veterans have earned the right, but the real point is that every American citizen has the right to show respect for the flag and nation by placing their right hand over their heart. Saluting, placing one hand near the brow, is what is being addressed. As I understand it, veterans not in uniform may render honors either way. Regular civilians may not. Did I get that wrong? It was my understanding that the rules for rendering honors says civilians are to ..... and retirees not in uniform, which they may be for special occasions, were considered civilians. Now veterans have been given the authority to render hand salutes. Am I wrong on this??

Response by SFC Ned Brownell made Apr 26 at 2014 10:34 PM

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SSG McMurray, the fact that you served honorably means you earned the right, duty and responsibility to salute the flag and to correct anyone who disrespects the flag by not standing, not removing their headgear or not showing proper respect by publicly shaming them!

Response by COL Robert White made Apr 26 at 2014 11:42 PM

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I feel it is an honor to salute the flag.

Response by SSG William Patton made Apr 29 at 2014 10:53 PM

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I am not sure if it was a DoD regulation or exactly where the right for veterans to salute flag came from. I read it in the Army Times or Legion magazine a couple of years ago where it was official. I am curious as to whether you still need to remove your cover too. I think not since you salute out doors when wearing a cover. That is an area where some stupid, but well meaning types might want to confront someone in civilian attire wearing a cap during the playing of the National Anthem even though we are saluting. To me the salute is more meaningful because it is a right we who have served, have earned. Someone correct me if I am wrong, please.

Response by SGT Craig Northacker made May 6 at 2014 12:18 AM

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I am a disabled veteran, and regulation or not, I have always saluted the flag. It is respect for my flag and for my brothers and sisters in service, and those who died in service.

Response by SPC Brian Jones made May 6 at 2014 11:06 AM

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I always stand and either salute or cover my heart whichever feels right for that moment. And I will always (loudly) Request others to do the same near me.

Response by MSgt Barry Wilkins made May 8 at 2014 12:06 PM

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I can answer this in one word, YES!! You may be retired, but you took an oath, and part of that oath is to respect the flag. It may not be written, but should be understood!

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made May 8 at 2014 12:09 PM

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I think the best thing is still to face the flag, or music, at the POA

Response by PO2 Robert Wilcox made May 9 at 2014 12:18 PM

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As a veteran, I proudly salute the flag and for the National Anthem. It is our right, our privilege and our responsibility.

Response by PO2 Patrick Williams made May 9 at 2014 12:35 PM

2014-05-09T12:35:05-04:00

Hell yes I am proud to say I do it when ever I am at an event and they do the National Anthem. My family has served in the Navy for four Generations. My great grandfather was a coal man on the USS Missouri with the Great White Fleet My grandfather was a Diesel man in WWII my Father was a Molder and I was a nJet Engine mechanic on F-14's. Anyone who severed and are proud of what they did should be proud to salute the flag no matter how screwed up our Government is.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made May 9 at 2014 10:15 PM

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I'm happy that the regs have changed to allow us to do so. I'm proud of my 20+ years and it's a marked distinction to be able to salute the flag on an occasion as a proud veteran

Response by Sgt Christopher Collins made May 10 at 2014 9:42 PM

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I'm a Veteran and I salute the flag since the rules changed.

Response by SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. made May 15 at 2014 9:37 AM

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As you state it is Voluntary no issue. Salute if you want don't if you don't want too. you have a choice which ever you choose does not matter.

Response by SFC Christian Noel made May 20 at 2014 7:50 PM

2014-05-20T19:50:04-04:00

Yes!!!

Response by SGT Steve Oakes made Jul 26 at 2014 11:16 PM

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I as a Veteran do salute the flag. Also once while visiting the grave of my Father In Law. I heard taps playing. With out thought or hesitation. I faced the direction of the music. Snapped to attention and saluted.

Response by SPC Richard White made Jul 30 at 2014 3:22 PM

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It is a sign of respect to salute the flag.You earned the right to salute the flag.You are not required to salute.I can say that you will be setting a good example for todays generation if you do salute the flag.

Response by SSG Pete Fleming made Jul 31 at 2014 11:14 AM

2014-07-31T11:14:22-04:00

If you are proud of your service, your nation, and flag... I say salute it.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Aug 1 at 2014 3:15 PM

2014-08-01T15:15:27-04:00

When in doubt, whip it out. I would say If anyone tries to correct you for saluting, cite the reg, but make sure you are right.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2014 7:56 PM

2014-08-09T19:56:53-04:00

It should not be a requirement so much as a privlage and ultimate show of respect.

Response by SGT Chris Birkinbine made Aug 11 at 2014 11:49 AM

2014-08-11T11:49:24-04:00

Here is my opinion though it may be unpopular.

As a retiree, you have EARNED your right to NOT salute the flag, should you choose not to. While you are serving, it is generally accepted that you give up certain rights, generally speaking those rights are some of the most important ones that we as Americans have. The right to choose where you live, what you do, what you wear, how you act, what you say, and most importantly, the right to openly discuss your thoughts and opinions of our government, (At least while in uniform)

Having put in your time, you get those rights back. If something has happened to make you feel like you do not need, or do not want to salute the flag, well then I say you have earned that right more than any other non-vet American.

Just my two cents.

Response by SGT Chris Birkinbine made Aug 11 at 2014 5:39 PM

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Personally I reject the notion that it can be ILLEGAL to salute the flag. Noting that a bill was passed to allow it implies that it was illegal to do before hand, and I find that idea unconstitutional. The 1st amendment allows us to display our opinions and thoughts without fear of repercussion from the government, so long as it does not fall within one of the excepted categories (which includes things like child porn, and defamation), which it doesn't.

I'd like to see how it goes down if police started arresting civilians for saluting the flag. Agree or disagree, it has already been established by the supreme court that hanging the flag upside down, or lighting it on fire is protected under the 1st amendment.

(Sorry this is kind of a tangent maybe)

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2014 5:46 PM

2014-08-11T17:46:48-04:00

In my opinion, if you love this country, you'll respect the flag. Just saying.

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Aug 14 at 2014 9:14 AM

2014-08-14T09:14:05-04:00

I would rather give my crispest salute to our flag than to hold my hand over my heart like someone who never wore a uniform because I have earned that right. If I look out of place, then so be it. I am proud to have served this country with honor, so I have every right to stand out!

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Aug 19 at 2014 2:02 AM

2014-08-19T02:02:27-04:00

I do, I've earned that right. What are they going to do, bend our dog tags for respecting our colors? You can't even get most jokers to stand up when they play the National anthem.

Response by SPC David S. made Aug 19 at 2014 3:05 AM

2014-08-19T03:05:25-04:00

To me saluting the flag is more about all those who have died in service for it. Its about honoring their sacrifice, their blood, and their oath. As I was just at Bushnell in Florida this is really a fresh topic for me. It was a great learning experience for my daughter as she witnessed a full military honors service. The flag is much more than red white and blue fabric stitched together.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 19 at 2014 7:04 PM

2014-08-19T19:04:07-04:00

To me, saluting the flag is something that only service members have earned the right to do, and we should salute it proudly. It is a sign of respect and all that we have stood to give the ultimate sacrifice for. I will always salute our flag. While it is each and every veteran's choice to do so, why would you give up the right that you have earned? It sets you apart from the rest of the crowd. People will know that you were willing to make that sacrifice when you salute in public, and what I have found, many will respect you for it.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2014 5:03 PM

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You have every right to display your dedication to this country in whatever appropriate way that you'd like. As a Marine, we stand at attention during the passing of colors and the playing of the national anthem (while in civilian clothes). If what you do is appropriate, follows the guidelines of your service and displays your allegiance to this country, I don't see any issue with you saluting or not saluting.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Sep 6 at 2014 10:27 AM

2014-09-06T10:27:38-04:00

My favorite part of the Army Combat Uniform and later stages of the Battle Dress Uniform was the American Flag on my right sleeve. Saluting the flag, for me, a no brainer. I spent more of my life defending our National Colors than I have doing anything else. Everytime it is appropriate, I will salute.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 6 at 2014 10:31 AM

2014-09-06T10:31:58-04:00

Why would you not salute the flag? Respect is the answer to the question, I would say. I will always salute Ol' Glory until it is draped over my coffin! Have a great day sir!

Response by CPL Charles Poirier made Sep 7 at 2014 12:38 AM

2014-09-07T00:38:34-04:00

I was approached by a National Guard CPT. at my son's wrestling meet. He started talking about the regulations and how I AM not to salute during the anthem. I explained to him unless he was just as dedicated to the task of rudely regurgitating regulations as this Scout was dedicated to saluting his flag, it would behoove him to pop smoke before I put a ACTIVE scuffing on his part time ass.

Response by LTC Barry Hull made Sep 7 at 2014 1:03 PM

2014-09-07T13:03:42-04:00

I am not sure why we would want to restrict anyones right to demonstrate respect and honors to our Nation's colors.

Response by SFC Mary Doyle made Sep 7 at 2014 7:51 PM

2014-09-07T19:51:11-04:00

http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=1609 The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 included a provision that authorized the salute. It's your legal right to salute the flag and I choose the exercise that right.

News Releases - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

Provides a list and brief description of news releases issued by the Department of Veterans Affairs. Most news releases are also available as Word files to download.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Sep 8 at 2014 6:03 PM

2014-09-08T18:03:31-04:00

Absolutely ... As many have already stated, saluting is a sign of respect. You earned the right to salute by your service to our country. Many did not. Exercise your right and your pride.

When I am at an activity where I have the opportunity to salute our flag, I do it. It fills my heart with pride to see other retirees/veterans do so as well.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 9 at 2014 10:23 PM

2014-09-09T22:23:46-04:00

To answer your question Mr McMurry, I do salute the flag. Since being Medically Retired after 16 years, seeing my Son follow me in my foot steps and now being able to see my father (a Vietnam 3 tour vet) open up to me. YES, in or out of uniform is not only the Honor, but knowning you did your job in a time of need. And between the three of us, there are 9 combat tours and 4 Purple Hearts.
For SSG Hasbun, I think you might want to recheck your posting about Retiree’s being placed on Reserve Status and being Reservist. Who ever gave you this information just might be incorrect (see militarypay.defense.gov/retirement). Or check with your Finance/Retirement Section for more information. Once a Solder has completed their Tour of Duty (either 20 + years of service or Medically Retired*) they are placed on the Army’s Retirement List, not in Inactive Ready Reserve. Retiree’s are not reservist‘s, still in the military, still subject nor to the UCMJ. They are Civilians who took an Oath to Serve their Nation like yourself and I.
* Now, as I know for the Medically Retired, Like myself (TDRL), I have to go through Medical Evaluation roughly each year for 5 years to see IF I’m fit for duty. The doctors can change that status to Medically Retired. But its up to the doctors.

Response by SPC Javier Maldonado made Sep 10 at 2014 2:44 PM

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I have always saluted (Military Hand Salute) during any such event(s). At the very least, I will put my hand over the heart and stand at attention (again, not very often civilian salute replaced military salute).

I was not aware that I was "precluded by law" to not do so after my ETS.

I did not need any regulation to "allow" me to do so after the fact. I just did it, it became natural after the service. My dad thought me respect and honor when I was growing up (see attached picture).

At the very least, rendering a military hand salute while wearing civilian clothing distinguished me from those who chose to not serve this great nation. Besides, it started great conversation with fellow veterans who served and further honored my father's memories.

Response by SA Scott Schlagel made Sep 10 at 2014 11:24 PM

2014-09-10T23:24:13-04:00

I feel saluting the flag is not only showing respect but also shows respect of all the sacrifices that our brothers and sisters who fallen.

Response by SPC Larry Steele made Sep 17 at 2014 1:52 PM

2014-09-17T13:52:02-04:00

Law Now Allows Retirees and Vets to Salute Flag

Traditionally, members of the nation's veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag only while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 contained an amendment to allow un-uniformed servicemembers, military retirees, and veterans to render a hand salute during the hoisting, lowering, or passing of the U.S. flag.

A later amendment further authorized hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel. This was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14, 2008.

Here is the actual text from the law:

SEC. 595. MILITARY SALUTE FOR THE FLAG DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM
BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES NOT IN
UNIFORM AND BY VETERANS.

Section 301(b)(1) of title 36, United States Code, is amended by
striking subparagraphs (A) through (C) and inserting the following new
subparagraphs:
``(A) individuals in uniform should give the
military salute at the first note of the anthem and
maintain that position until the last note;
``(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who
are present but not in uniform may render the military
salute in the manner provided for individuals in
uniform; and
``(C) all other persons present should face the flag
and stand at attention with their right hand over the
heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it
at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

Note: Part (C) applies to those not in the military and non-veterans. The phrase "men not in uniform" refers to civil service uniforms like police, fire fighters, and letter carriers - non-veteran civil servants who might normally render a salute while in uniform.

Response by Cpl Jonathan Nicodemus made Sep 17 at 2014 4:15 PM

2014-09-17T16:15:04-04:00

As a Marine, I say no. But for any other branch, it appears to be your choice.

Here's a link to ALMAR 052/08 from the Commandant: http://www.marines.mil/News/Messages/MessagesDisplay/tabid/13286/Article/109570/customs-and-traditions.aspx

"BY CUSTOM AND TRADITION, MARINES DO NOT RENDER THE HAND SALUTE WHEN OUT OF UNIFORM OR WHEN UNCOVERED. LET THERE BE NO CONFUSION; THAT HAS NOT CHANGED."

CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS > The Official United States Marine Corps Public Website > Messages...

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Response by Sgt Jim Mullen made Sep 20 at 2014 4:19 PM

2014-09-20T16:19:29-04:00

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 contained an amendment to allow un-uniformed service members, military retirees, and veterans to render a hand salute during the hoisting, lowering, or passing of the U.S. flag.

A later amendment further authorized hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel. This was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14, 2008.

As I see it, you have been afforded a choice you were not afforded previously. Depending on the traditions and preferences of your specific military branch (Marines do not traditionally salute when not in uniform), let your conscience be your guide.

However, this is an option and choice and no one should have the audacity or authority to make that choice for you.

Just one Marines thoughts.

Response by PO1 Ken Johnson made Sep 25 at 2014 7:40 AM

2014-09-25T07:40:02-04:00

At High School Football games in our area, many of the stadium's public address system announcers "remind" folks that Retirees and Veterans may render the hand salute... At Nixon Field in Duncan, SC {Home of the James F Byrnes Rebels} they get that reminder as well as an addition reminder that..... others are welcomed and "encouraged" to stand with their hand over their hearts to honor not only our country, but those who you see standing near you saluting and thousands upon thousands just like them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2014 12:40 PM

2014-09-26T12:40:16-04:00

Every veteran who has served this country has the right to salute the flag if they choose. How many of us active duty salute the flag when we're off, out with our families, or on leave. I don't want to sound trivial or anything but ask yourself that. It's up to that retiree (veteran) if he/she wants to salute the flag

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 26 at 2014 3:30 PM

2014-09-26T15:30:36-04:00

It is a honor to salute the flag and as a Marine Veteran it is my honor to do so, retired or not you should salute the flag it is not a requirement, but a sign of respect period.

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Oct 13 at 2014 9:08 PM

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I am not a retiree, but I salute the flag. To date, nobody has challenged me on it. And even if someone does, I'll still do it.

Response by CPO Tim Dickey made Oct 13 at 2014 10:28 PM

2014-10-13T22:28:16-04:00

I salute, will always salute, and I will teach my children to salute the flag when the time comes. I feel that saluting honors the sacrifices of those who have gone before me and those who will follow me after I have hung up my uniform for the last time.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2014 12:41 PM

2014-10-14T12:41:57-04:00

I AWAYS salute the flag, PEROID! One, it's the respect, 2, MANY, MANY folks have died, got wounded, or sick defending the flag, 3, MANY of my family members were in the military since, AT LEAST, the Revolutionary War. ANY one who is, or was in the service, in my opinion, should salute the flag. If you call America, you should show respect! By a salute, or hand over heart, ect. Just saying.

Response by LTC Mark Gavula made Oct 14 at 2014 9:08 PM

2014-10-14T21:08:57-04:00

I believe if a retiree wants to salute the flag, let him or her. He or she is only showing respect to the colors they helped defend. If a retiree does who will actually stop the retiree?

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2014 9:10 PM

2014-10-14T21:10:25-04:00

It is obviously your choice, but why wouldn't you?

Response by LTC Mark Gavula made Oct 14 at 2014 9:17 PM

2014-10-14T21:17:11-04:00

I have read the heated discussions on this topic. Salute the flag if you want or don't. I'm enjoying the American dream.

Response by LTC Scott O'Neil made Oct 15 at 2014 8:45 AM

2014-10-15T08:45:14-04:00

After serving 26 yrs. and saluting the flag every day of those 26 yrs. I continue to do so, due to respect for those who have served, and died for that flag to fly high and free, for honor and for country. Even if it wasn't written in a regulation that I could, I would. I hold that cloth close to my heart and soul. I have lived under its symbolism for freedom and before I am interned, I will be covered in it, as it is a gesture of respect from a grateful nation for doing my duty and service to god and country.
Once a soldier always a soldier

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2014 10:57 AM

2014-10-16T10:57:21-04:00

Why not salute it, I say. I earned it and at every opportunity I salute the flag. Many times, I am asked if I am a Veteran.

Response by PO2 Rocky Kleeger made Oct 18 at 2014 5:21 PM

2014-10-18T17:21:47-04:00

I stand at the POS, and if wearing a hat I remove it

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Oct 19 at 2014 1:17 AM

2014-10-19T01:17:29-04:00

I live in Denmark. I never get to hear the SSB at sporting events nor do I get to see Old Glory raised or taken down. This past 4th of July I was back in Idaho for my 40th Class Reunion. The town, Greenleaf, Idaho has a big 4th event every year. This was the first time in many years I've been present at a flag posting event. I automatically went to attention and presented arms! It was a privilage to do so.

We as Vets are not required, but it is our right and PRIVILAGE to do so!

Response by PFC Stephens Clark made Oct 25 at 2014 11:37 AM

2014-10-25T11:37:13-04:00

Of Course Retirees and all Veterans Should Salute the Flag its an Honor to do So. When ever I see a Veteran from Past wars or current I give them a Strong hand shake and a heartfelt thank you for their service.

Response by SSG Jose Ortizburgos made Oct 27 at 2014 8:56 AM

2014-10-27T08:56:36-04:00

I still do and the soldiers on active duty feel shame seeing this old dog do it.

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Oct 28 at 2014 11:12 AM

2014-10-28T11:12:05-04:00

The very idea that someone ever made a "law", a regulation, a custom, or courtesy that said veterans and retirees are now "allowed" to salute... the implication being that somehow we weren't permitted to do so... is laughable. Who the eff are any of us, to tell an old-timer that bled for his or her fellow Americans that they can't render the appropriate sign of respect? The utter, unmitigated gall.

If you're a veteran, a prior service member, or a retiree, you EARNED the right to salute or not salute. Now that being said, if you step foot on a military installation and you hear reveille or retreat, please adhere to the established protocol.

Response by SSG Dan Wuollet made Nov 2 at 2014 1:43 PM

2014-11-02T13:43:11-05:00

I feel that it should be allowed. Why try and fix something that is not broken ..

Response by PO3 Joey Olivo made Nov 2 at 2014 5:25 PM

2014-11-02T17:25:04-05:00

I salute whenever the opportunity presents itself (ballgames, Veterans Day, Memorial Day 4th of July and passing of a fallen comrade when they come home). I am proud of my service and I love my country.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 7:01 PM

2014-12-15T19:01:45-05:00

As far as I am concerned, they can respect the flag any way they choose.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 7:09 PM

2014-12-15T19:09:22-05:00

If you're wearing the uniform, retired or veteran, you should salute.

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Dec 15 at 2014 8:07 PM

2014-12-15T20:07:04-05:00

Oh Course,
After 15 or more years of years of service to nation, Seldom will find a retiree that doesn't salute. He or she has demonstrated their commitment and consider it an honor

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 2:12 AM

2014-12-17T02:12:32-05:00

I have discovered that saluting the flag goes both ways. Not only is it a way to show respect for the Colors and thereby the country for which it represents, but it is also an HONOR to salute the flag. This is why uniformed soldiers can salute the flag where civilians only place their hand over their heart. Therefore, in the spirit of what I have observed, any soldier that has retired and is in good standing should have the privilege of paying respect to the flag.

Response by PFC Earl Herman made Dec 17 at 2014 3:07 PM

2014-12-17T15:07:41-05:00

When I separated from Military service we were told that we were no longer required to salute the flag. But we were to Stand, remove our headgear and place our hand over our heart. Now I understand that it is acceptable for Veterans to Salute the Flag once more.

Response by 1SG Cameron M. Wesson made Dec 18 at 2014 1:27 PM

2014-12-18T13:27:49-05:00

I don't know about "should" however I do and would as as sign of respect to a nation that I have served for 30+ years.... And now regulation gives me that entitlement/authorization regardless... During the SSB I salute as I do at retreat. Really, it's almost Pavlovian in me and I do it subconsciously!

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Dec 18 at 2014 10:30 PM

2014-12-18T22:30:20-05:00

I am not a retiree. But a veteran of 12 years active duty. I am not going to be in uniform of any kind, ever, as such a veteran. But I would love to salute a passing flag at the appropriate times. Would that be offensive to anyone?

Response by CSM Frank Graham made Dec 19 at 2014 6:45 AM

2014-12-19T06:45:14-05:00

By all means we should. If you really give a dammn about our country and our Armed Forces you better.

Response by SGT James Hastings made Dec 20 at 2014 12:27 AM

2014-12-20T00:27:52-05:00

And yet, it took me several years not to salute, which came naturally to me. The last time I saluted out of uniform was recently at a gathering for Veteran's Day. I noticed that most of the others in civilian clothing saluted so I proudly did the same!

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Dec 20 at 2014 6:50 AM

2014-12-20T06:50:37-05:00

Every chance I get. I get to do it with 2 fingers (cub scout salute) 3 fingers (boy scout salute) 4 fingers (military salute)

On occasion, I have rendered certain "deserving" individuals (never the flag) the old 1 finger salute :-)

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 6:56 AM

2014-12-20T06:56:18-05:00

Render the Salute, it not only pays tribute to the Flag, but it also brings honor to the individual saluting as well. On more than one ocassion I have been in a setting that involved the Flag an National Anthem. On every ocassion, several different people came up to me to shake my hand and say, "Thank You For Your Service!"

Response by MSgt Christopher Brown made Dec 20 at 2014 1:25 PM

2014-12-20T13:25:57-05:00

Hand Salute!

THE FLAG, as a symbol of all who have served under it, DEMANDS THAT RESPECT and the fact that I served with those who sacrificed so much for it's glory requires my salute until the day I join all of my fallen heroes.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 1:54 PM

2014-12-20T13:54:19-05:00

At games or parades I usually put my hand over my heart. Actualy I wear a hat most times so it is my hat over my heart. I stand at attention and do not say anything until the music or singing is finished, then I will clap. But I have rendered a salute to the flag at Arlinton, the Arizona memorial and Fort Sumter. It just seemed the right thing to do.

Response by CPT Richard Riley made Dec 20 at 2014 5:01 PM

2014-12-20T17:01:14-05:00

A salute is a display of respect. We were all at one time a civilian - and we are all forever more veterans. Pride and honor in my service and respect for my country and flag lead me to render what I know to be a proper, time-honored salute.

I have a difficult time comprehending how the simple gesture of a proper salute to the colors is understood as anything other than respect. My active days are way behind me but my heart and soul still march to the beat of that drum .....

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Dec 20 at 2014 7:31 PM

2014-12-20T19:31:27-05:00

It's a habit (to salute) and I'm too old to change

Response by SPC John Cummings made Dec 20 at 2014 8:06 PM

2014-12-20T20:06:02-05:00

Although, if I'm by myself I salute every flag I come across

Response by SPC John Cummings made Dec 20 at 2014 8:10 PM

2014-12-20T20:10:36-05:00

Standing at attention when out of uniform is a salute, The hand to the brow or brim is just one form. Although your choice to do it is respectful and deserving respect, it is not actually what the services taught you.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 8:39 PM

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One of the things that really irritates me is those civilians that refuse to remove their hat when the National Anthem is played. As well as, the talking that fails to cease during the same. People are becoming more disrespectful in this country.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Dec 20 at 2014 9:03 PM

2014-12-20T21:03:01-05:00

I salute that flag while in uniform or civies. My brothers and sisters died serving that flag and my salute is both respect for the flag and my service as well as remembrance for my fallen brothers and sisters!

Response by Sgt Adam Jennings made Dec 20 at 2014 9:13 PM

2014-12-20T21:13:50-05:00

I didn't vote because what I do isn't there. I stand at rigid attention just like if I was still active duty, unless I'm wearing a hat. Then I take my hat off and stand at attention with my hat over my heart. I'll eventually begin saluting the flag, just can't get used to it.

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Dec 20 at 2014 9:22 PM

2014-12-20T21:22:35-05:00

I'm not sure what to do. I will remove my hat and cover my heart, although I'd really like to salute.

My (irrational) concern is pissing off a combat veteran (of any era) by acting like some damn'd fool civilian... 7:^D

Response by John Russell made Dec 20 at 2014 9:23 PM

2014-12-20T21:23:06-05:00

My whole company (military unit) is all retired military civil service workers and what I can tell you is when they are in presence to pay homage to the flag whether in formation or not during a ceremony they all place their hands over their chests. .02 cents

Response by SPC Leisel Luman made Dec 20 at 2014 10:01 PM

2014-12-20T22:01:43-05:00

I don't need a SOP to tell me to salute the flag. Retired or not.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 10:10 PM

2014-12-20T22:10:30-05:00

When in civilians, I have always stood at rigid attention and done so silently until the National Anthem was finished. I would love to salute, but it has always seemed to be such a grey area, I want to know if it is legitimately okay to render the salute. I don't want to do anything that I am not able to back up with facts and regulations...

Response by PO2 Jose Lamas made Dec 20 at 2014 11:52 PM

2014-12-20T23:52:38-05:00

It is an honor to be able to Salute.

Response by PO1 Chris Crawley made Dec 21 at 2014 11:16 AM

2014-12-21T11:16:36-05:00

After the 2009 change, I still stood at attention, with hands down, until my retirement 2/1/2010. Since then, I ALWAYS salute.

Response by Spc 1 J W. made Dec 21 at 2014 9:52 PM

2014-12-21T21:52:44-05:00

For me its about 50/50 hand salute or hand over heart and of course I always take off my hat if wearing one.

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made Dec 22 at 2014 2:57 PM

2014-12-22T14:57:57-05:00

come to attention, place my right hand over my heart.

Response by SSG Everett Wilson made Dec 22 at 2014 3:11 PM

2014-12-22T15:11:46-05:00

I must be getting old and old habits are hard to let go. When I see our flag, I come to attention and place my hand over my heart and here lately, I've been rendering a salute. Maybe its all the parades, retreats, ceremonies I've been to. The American flag is a symbol of our nation, so much blood was spilt to defend her and our nation, past and present. It shows our history, as we started out as 13 colonies to 50 united states, from east to west, north to south. I salute our flag not only out of respect, but to say a simple thank-you to those who came before me, and to those who will taking our banner into their hands to carry on where we left off. She's a grand ole flag, been tattered and ragged, no matter what she's a symbol of our nation, when ever there's a disaster anywhere, the first thing people see is our flag, our people there to help. Brings a tear to one's eye to see that. I'm proud to salute her.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Dec 22 at 2014 4:29 PM

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I love this picture and these Patriots!

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2014 11:59 AM

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I used to stand at attention with hand or hat over heart per the way I was taught. Once I found out that I can salute, that's what I do. I haven't gotten past that hesitant, "What do I do?!" stage yet but I prefer to salute.

Response by SPC David S. made Dec 23 at 2014 12:23 PM

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It's a little weird feeling as I have no cover, but I salute. The only problem I see doing this in civilian clothes is that others might not get that I'm or we are prior service and have earned our right to pay our respects to our flag and friends in rendering a salute. I don't want all the knuckleheads out there to start thinking that anyone can do this and start saluting the flag.

Response by MSgt Michael Durkee made Dec 23 at 2014 12:31 PM

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It's 50/50 for me, it really depends on the situation and location.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2014 12:59 PM

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Always

Response by SFC Istvan Nagy made Dec 23 at 2014 1:18 PM

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I salute the colors in civvies, I'm a proudly retired, disabled veteran of the United States Armed Forces Period

Response by SSG John Bacon made Dec 23 at 2014 3:23 PM

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The Communist 5% who voted for no salute or hand over heart better un-F**K yourselves.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2014 6:26 PM

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As a Veteran, I stand at attention with my hand over my heart as I was taught. It really pisses me off to no end to see folks not paying respect during the Pledge of Allegiance or National Anthem. People have no sense of national pride anymore because god forbid we should hurt someone's feelings. I'm sorry but what the hell? You live in the U.S. f-ing respect it!
(rant over, sorry)

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 23 at 2014 6:32 PM

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I agree with you, SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member. Saluting in civies is no problem.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Dec 23 at 2014 7:50 PM

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SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member "I WILL NOT DENY MY FLAG A SALUTE." You said it all my brother.

Response by Sgt Nick Marshall made Dec 23 at 2014 8:18 PM

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As a Marine vet I will not salute the flag. I'm not in uniform. That is what Marines do.

Response by SFC Cindy Paris made Dec 23 at 2014 9:40 PM

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If I am outside, I salute; if I am inside, I place my hand over my heart. It really just comes down to what you were taught and what you are comfortable with. And it does not matter as long as you are still respecting the flag, country, and all those that have defended them.

Response by SFC (CA) Roland Dell made Dec 23 at 2014 10:51 PM

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The last thing I heard was that any prior service member as a civilian could render a military salute to the flag; instead of placing their hand over their heart... At least that is what an old first sergeant told me a couple years back. It seems the law had changed, to enable that?

Anyway, I am retired - and I certainly will continue to do so, until locked up by people who loath our Nations veterans... Maybe that's a little too much drama, but you know how I feel.

Response by Cpl Jay Shaw made Dec 24 at 2014 1:22 AM

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As an Marine Veteran and having served in Desert Shield/ Storm, I have pondered on this issue. I still hold true to the protocol of the Navy/Marine Corps. Having served Honorably, I believe Veterans in the civilian ranks may salute our nations colors. Active duty military should follow their Branch's directives. I choose to stand at attention. That's my take.

Response by SGT(P) Harry Clyde Jr. made Dec 24 at 2014 5:54 AM

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I usually don't salute. The situation depends on it. I will out of habit stand at attention though during certain ceremonies when a flag goes up or the anthem is played.
I dont go to many things any more where either the salute or attention is required.
I do salute after I put it and the army flag up on my house for 4th of July, Veterans and Memorial day salute the flag when Im done.
I also tend to salute the graves of our military predecessors to include the graves of the Confederate fallen and later dead of age or disease. Generals Benning and Paul Semmes along with the plot for the soldiers. All at historic Linwood cemetery in Columbus Ga. My home due to permanent displacement from Philly where im from.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2014 11:43 AM

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Nobody should HAVE to...but they damn well fought for it, why wouldn't they?

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2014 11:47 AM

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We salute because we show respect to the flag which represents those that came before us or died along side is to defend what we stand for. No shame in saluting or allowing veterans/retirees to salute.

Response by SGT Daniel H. made Dec 24 at 2014 12:09 PM

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Now that I'm a veteran, I always salute the flag. I almost got in a little bit of trouble for it with my supervisor (who is an Army retiree) because he wasn't aware of the change to the Flag Code that allows it. After I explained it to him, now he always salutes the flag too!

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Dec 24 at 2014 12:47 PM

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The regs now allow me to salute, I'm gonna salute.

Someone wants to fuss, I'll quote them the regs and let them just chew on that.

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Dec 24 at 2014 12:48 PM

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I want to salute but can seem to get my self to do it. I love my flag and my Country but it feels weird when i try. I stand at attention when ever the National Anthem is played or when Colors is being presented.

Response by MAJ Jim Woods made Dec 24 at 2014 2:48 PM

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My exception is when a soldier or veteran is being buried. Then I salute when protocol calls for it because he/she deserves it!

Response by SFC Royce Williams made Dec 24 at 2014 3:49 PM

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No a veteran Gould not be "required" to salute the flag. He should salute it tho. And most do. I salute the flag all the time and no policy passed by anyone would ever be able to make me stop. We earned that right.

Response by PO1 Steven Kuhn made Dec 24 at 2014 4:48 PM

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The red in our flag is a symbol of those men and women who have paid for our freedom with their life's blood! Our flag waves were freedom lives. The salute is a sign of respect, and allowing retired people to salute our flag allows them to show their respect to the flag and any friends they may have lost in service. Retired American Veterans deserve the honor of saluting the flag.

Respectfully,

Steve

Response by 1stSgt Ron Gallegos made Dec 24 at 2014 5:55 PM

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Just simply stand at attention; however if wearing a Fraternal Uniform such as, MOPH, VFW, American Legion then salute. This passed on to me from a salty WWII Marine.

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Dec 24 at 2014 8:47 PM

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Anyone, retired or not, that has served should be allowed to salute if they feel like doing it.
At the same time, if they feel it is not the right thing to do, they have the option to not do it.

Response by SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee made Dec 24 at 2014 9:36 PM

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I don't care what the law says. For 23 years, I have rendered a hand salute to the flag and will continue to do so.

Response by SPC(P) Micah Lavigne made Dec 24 at 2014 10:27 PM

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I salute the flag, always. I salute Taps reveille, and Retreat to the Colors in civies (even though Customs and curtosies state a simple hand over heart hat off will do.

But can I ask how many run from the Retreat (flag) and how many stand at attention inside a building, while facing the flag as per military customs?

I learned of this in WLC (AUG 2013) and to this day I ensure the Flag is given it's respect at the designated times when I can do so (not including sleeping or performing a task that will risk injury to myself or others.

Response by SFC Toby Northen made Dec 25 at 2014 6:46 AM

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I agree with the Marine Corps and Naval guidance put out for active military. I am an Army Soldier. When in civilian attire, I PROUDLY put my hand over my heart. Once I'm retired, I (personally) think I'll salute or cover my heart based on the situation at hand. If I'm at a military function as a retiree, I may salute. If I'm at a football game or something non-military, my heart will always be covered.

Response by SPC Danny Cannon made Dec 25 at 2014 1:03 PM

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I'm an Army Vet who salutes the flag. I feel like our service allows us the right to interact with the flag in a different manner from those who never served. I believe we have earned that right and I'm proud to salute my country's flag.
I would never ask a civilian to stop saluting but, I WILL tell a stranger to take off their hat. Or simply assist them if they need it.

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Dec 25 at 2014 1:11 PM

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I stand at attention during the national anthem at ballgames. In my opinion, hand over the heart is for civilians, and saluting feels like it's bringing too much attention to myself, as if I'm showing off. A simple position of attention is rendering all the proper respect, is in keeping with military tradition, and does not make me stand out.

Response by PO2 Gerry Roberson made Dec 25 at 2014 7:19 PM

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K.I.S.S. .........Salute! Keeps the FUBAR Factor out of the equation!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2014 8:03 PM

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I don't think there is any disrespect intended when anyone salutes the flag, during the national anthem or any other time. I believe these folks fully intend to respect the flag and our great nation by these acts of patriotism. As far as congress getting their act together as far as clarifying any rules, well, I won't hold my breath.

Response by SPC Gary Scott made Dec 25 at 2014 8:10 PM

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As a veteran, I have and will always render a hand salute for the National Anthem as well as when Ole Golry passes. I will do this until the good Lord calls me home.

Response by SSgt Rilene Ann made Dec 25 at 2014 8:20 PM

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I stand at attention when colors being presented. hand over heart for pledge. I thought only officers saluted the flag.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2014 11:27 PM

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I think retirees have paid their dues and have earned the privilege of saluting the flag.

Response by SCPO Larry Knight Sr. made Dec 26 at 2014 8:16 AM

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I'm an old hardcore SOB when it comes to the "United States Of America" ! When I was a young man growing up , I was taught to uncover and place my hand over my heart . When it came to the pledge of allegiance I didn't hesitate for an instant to recite the same. I joined the "United States Navy" in Dallas, TX 3/69 took an oath and to this date carry that agenda with me daily.

I do not hesitate to render a crisp hand salute to the "National Ensign" which fly's ever so proudly over the country we so proudly served ! I also am quite vocal to let the none former service members know too remove their covers and place their hands over their heart. I believe that this generation of why and how come is a direct result of, poor guidance from their parents.

I retired in 6/93 after 25 years of "Honorable Service" and my love , honor and dedication to this "Great Nation" is and will never waiver ! It is now my mission to educate those I encounter on a daily basis, it's the little things like "December 7th 1941" and many more things . I'm also a proud member and supporter of the "NRA" and our second amendment rights ! In closing on this topic, I convey the love in my heart to all my brothers and sisters who served this "Great Country" and to those currently serving.

P.S Welcome home to all who served in the jungles/rice patties or in the sand box of the current conflict !

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Dec 26 at 2014 11:37 AM

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I think I as well as every Vet who served Honorably should have the right to choose if we want to do this or not, if some sm is disgruntled by this then I would say they are just jealous that my salute is sharper and crisper than theirs....hehehehehe

Response by MSG David Johnson made Dec 26 at 2014 2:40 PM

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I'm a Veteran, my Oath of Enlistment has no expiration date?
Damn right I salute!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 5:13 PM

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I went to the post office the other day and saluted the flag as I passed by. I don't need a regulation to tell me to do that.

Response by SSG Mark Ives made Dec 27 at 2014 4:44 AM

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I went to a Memorial Day ceremony this year and about a fourth of the veterans present gave a salute to the colors. I think that is a personal choice. Just because I no longer wear a uniform, do I not render the respect for the colors with a salute. Again, it's my personal choice.

Response by SFC A.M. Drake made Dec 27 at 2014 9:05 AM

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If in civvies I put my hand over my heart..this I have done since elementary school, and of course in uniform that needs to explanation.

Response by LtCol Matthew Rajkovich made Dec 27 at 2014 12:06 PM

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At some point this falls under freedom of expression. If you are not bound by regulation (i.e. still subject to orders) you may do what you like in this country. You can put your hand on your heart, salute, sing, hug your kid, etc..... Unless bound by regulation, you really have no "obligations" other than your personal desires. Your personal actions as a private citizen should bear no consequences (from the govt, that is). Those on duty or off duty and subject to recall do have an obligation. I believe each service outlines their method for rendering honors to the colors. You can research your own regs. As for Marines, when serving or retired and NOT in uniform, we stand at attention and may place our hand over our hearts (per Marine Corps Order). Marines do not salute unless in uniform AND wearing a cover (i.e. outdoors or under arms.)

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If you are now a private citizen (e.g. discharged) go ahead and salute if you want. You also might simply serve as a role model by demonstrating what you feel your civilians next to you might consider emulating (i.e. remove your cover/hat, place you hand on your heart and be respectful.) Often people don't know what to do, and by setting the example they will often follow. Someone's got to do it. It might as well be you.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Dec 27 at 2014 12:33 PM

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Yes, absolutely we should be able to salute the flag...
I am glad they finally allowed this

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 7:22 PM

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i love the flag and what it stands for so after my days of my military career ill still be saluting it

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2014 8:24 PM

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of the retirees that I know, you'd have a hell of a time trying to stop them from saluting the flag.

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Dec 27 at 2014 9:38 PM

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Regardless wether you are retired or active, if you are in uniform you should salute. It's that simple.

Response by LTJG Robert M. made Dec 27 at 2014 10:04 PM

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Last time I checked, my oath of enlistment & my officers oath of commissioning had no expiration date. If I am wearing my uniform then I will absolutely be saluting.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Dec 28 at 2014 1:37 AM

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In case any of you are confused at the responses below not being pertinent to the photo above, Rallypoint Admins have merged the Retiree Saluting discussion with the discussion about the recent story about the female soldier refusing to salute the flag. Not sure why, but it's their option to do so.

Response by MSgt Jim Pollock made Dec 30 at 2014 5:15 AM

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YES, no question where appropriate. The nice thing about being a retired servicemember, is that you have the experience to know when it is appropriate, inappropriate or just silly. As the OP mentioned, all veterans defended the flag and understand its significance. As a retiree, I'm also wise enough to know when restraint is warranted.

My rule of thumb is that saluting the flag should respect it... not draw undue attention to me. JMO.

Edit...I'm speaking from the perspective of a retired member out of uniform. Uniformed personnel salute whatever their status. Period.

Response by LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® made Jan 16 at 2015 5:59 PM

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I once saw a picture of a parade where the color guard were marching. The only person to stand-up was a veteran and he was saluting the flag. Everyone around him were sitting down with their hats on, talking, etc.

I wish I saved that picture, but many don't know etiquette when it comes to the flag and having veterans teach and show people who don't know is good.

Response by Sgt Mark Plummer made Jan 16 at 2015 6:06 PM

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As a veteran I think it is my duty to salute. There are so many disrespecting the flag we need to show what is right and honorable.

Response by MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA made Jan 23 at 2015 11:15 PM

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I absolutely think a retiree should salute the flag. The idea that a military retiree would even raise a question about this is completely foreign to me. After 20+ years of service, does our flag not mean anything special to you?

With that said, this is a voluntary action, and I support your right to act or not. We certainly shouldn't force anyone to be proud of their country or to publically display that pride or any show of support.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Jan 27 at 2015 8:46 PM

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If you are a military retiree, THE FLAG should be Saluting YOU...however you also then have to render your own response-salute back.

As a volunteer USMC Infantry Veteran, I feel I do the same, the FLAG "salutes me" as it is usually in some form of motion (wind, etc) and I salute it back.

At first glance that might seem a bit arrogant, but if you think about it, the flag didn't ever really earn its own intrinsic value, but rather it symbolizes those who fought and died in the forming and maintenance of this great nation.

A Servicemember may have had to fight, or not, and didn't necessarily die doing so, but still has Honor for ever being willing to put themselves into such position in the first place.

Some of you here have used the phrase "Ive earned the right". I look at it a bit differently I suppose...by thinking I am one of many who bolstered its value.

I also almost question the wording as "Ive earned the right" because it implies others who salute the flag who were not service people are doing something wrong. And I don't see anything wrong with anyone wishing to show respect to the Flag by saluting it as doing anything wrong...in fact it should be encouraged.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 5:32 PM

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SSG Richard McMurray as a retiree, I think you've earned the RIGHT to make the decision for yourself. If you choose to or not to, it's your choice, I wouldn't worry about what others think! Congratulations and thank for your service!

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 1 at 2015 6:20 PM

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If in uniform, a hand salute is required. In civvies, I come to attention and place my hand on my heart. But if a veteran is in civvies and wants to hand salute, I say hallelujah.

Like the recently outgoing Commandant of the Marine Corps official set as policy, "Once a Marine, Always a Marine." I believe that "policy" applies to all veterans.

Response by SSgt Jay Dee made Feb 2 at 2015 1:59 AM

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I'm hoping that the wording in this post is misleading. It sounds as if you do not want to salute the flag and are looking for guidance...? I'm hoping I'm reading that wrong. I don't even agree that Americans have the OPTIONS to salute our flag (hand over heart). Every single American should have to stand and show respect. It's an embarrassment when the National Anthem is played before a sporting event and you see the players (and fans) laughing and talking. But for someone that's dedicated their life to the military, I'd hope that they stand for what we all should stand for and that's our country and her battle colors. Not only should you salute sir, but you should be encouraging others to do the same.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 6:05 AM

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unless you have change your feeling for the flag and what it represents then yes. SALUTE!

Response by SPC Tiffany Ivanov made Feb 16 at 2015 11:56 PM

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I agree with MSG Stankovich, regs aside, it is a sign of respect and the opportunity is there, so why wouldn't you? If I were retired, SHOULD I salute wouldn't be my question.... It would be Why wouldn't I? Saluting the flag, to me, is an honor and a privilege. It carries a much deeper emotion than it did when I was a civilian, standing with my hand over my heart, waiting. I hope there is never a time I question whether or not I should, and even worse: whether or not I CAN. no offense intended. I just feel very strongly about what that salute says, what that flag represents, and how much being able to salute it taught me about myself.

Response by SrA Marshall Dotson made Feb 27 at 2015 5:11 PM

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That really a question ?

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Feb 27 at 2015 8:48 PM

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I would do it if I were in uniform. But for now I remove my hat and stand. I still stand at the POA for the Marines hymn and National Anthem

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 8:58 PM

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I think that would be a personal decision, but it would be nice if you put your hand over your heart. I salute because I honor our nations flag. The Star Spangled Banner was written as the battle was going on and no matter how much punishment the Stars and Stripes took, it still stood. That's something to be proud of and honor with a salute.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 27 at 2015 9:27 PM

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Does this answer that question?

Response by SPC Matthew Birkinbine made Feb 27 at 2015 9:52 PM

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To my knowledge this has always been authorized for veterans. My Dad taught me, back when I was younger than 10 years old, that veterans were authorized to salute the colors. Since coming on Active duty, it was modified to allow military personnel not in uniform, instead of just veterans, to salute the colors. The way I, and apparently those who have the authority to define the term "veteran", I am one, having deployed to Iraq, regardless of the fact that I'm still active duty.

It is a matter of your personal preference. I however, just like when I thought it was cool that my Dad did it back then, so I did it, still do it today, and probably always will. On second thought, I do like to brag, 'cause I'm mighty proud of that ragged old flag!!!!

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 28 at 2015 12:18 AM

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Yes...and during the playing or singing of the National Anthem.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 10:46 PM

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SSG Richard McMurray I have a spin off question. What do you think of saluting retirees in uniform?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2015 10:55 PM

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If they so choose. I don't know why they wouldn't.

Response by 1LT David Bonaker made Mar 2 at 2015 3:15 PM

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Yes, retirees should salute the flag. I believe all veterans should salute.

Response by CW2 Eric Scott made Mar 6 at 2015 3:32 PM

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If they're a veteran they can choose to salute it or not. They 100% earned the right to do it or not.

Response by LTC Julian Carnes made Mar 6 at 2015 7:52 PM

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Absolutely! I am 81 years old and still get a cold shiver when the flag passes by and I can stand and proudly pay my respects as a soldier. Same with the National Anthem. The retiree-newsletter, Army Echos, stresses that, once a soldier, always a soldier.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2015 10:25 AM

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I think all Veterans have earned the right to salute the flag.

Response by LTC Julian Carnes made Mar 11 at 2015 3:06 PM

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Here is what the law says:
Traditionally, members of the nation's veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag only while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 contained an amendment to allow un-uniformed servicemembers, military retirees, and veterans to render a hand salute during the hoisting, lowering, or passing of the U.S. flag.

A later amendment further authorized hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel. This was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14, 2008.

Here is the actual text from the law:

"SEC. 595. MILITARY SALUTE FOR THE FLAG DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM
BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES NOT IN
UNIFORM AND BY VETERANS.

Section 301(b)(1) of title 36, United States Code, is amended by
striking subparagraphs (A) through (C) and inserting the following new
subparagraphs:
``(A) individuals in uniform should give the
military salute at the first note of the anthem and
maintain that position until the last note;
``(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who
are present but not in uniform may render the military
salute in the manner provided for individuals in
uniform; and
``(C) all other persons present should face the flag
and stand at attention with their right hand over the
heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it
at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

Note: Part (C) applies to those not in the military and non-veterans. The phrase "men not in uniform" refers to civil service uniforms like police, fire fighters, and letter carriers - non-veteran civil servants who might normally render a salute while in uniform."

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2015 11:47 PM

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During a parade. Yes. When an honor guard presents the colors, or pass in review. Stand tall and render a salute!

At a informal gathering or ballgame? I'd consider it only when and if appropriate for the situation. Otherwise, I'd still render the honors, by removing my cap outdoors and hand over heart.

Response by SSgt Dan Montague made Apr 22 at 2015 9:56 AM

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If I were in proper uniform I would salute the flag. Now I stand and remove my hat. Sometimes at the POA or with my hand over my heart.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 22 at 2015 9:59 AM

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I choked on the word "allow".

Response by CPO Emmett (Bud) Carpenter made Apr 22 at 2015 10:15 AM

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I've retired in 1989. I salute the flag every chance I get. I will keep doing it no matter what the Regulations say.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Apr 22 at 2015 10:21 AM

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I would. I gave 26 years of my life to protect it and I will continue to honor and respect it when ever I can.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 22 at 2015 10:34 AM

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FYI

Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law.

“The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those who have served in our nation’s armed forces,” said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. “This provision allows the application of that honor in all events involving our nation’s flag.”

The provision improves upon a little known change in federal law that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did not address salutes during the national anthem. The Provision also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.

Traditionally, members of the nation’s veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.

The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran. It was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14.

The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

Response by 1SG Scott MacGregor made Apr 22 at 2015 10:44 AM

2015-04-22T10:44:23-04:00

If you are in uniform, retired or not, covered or uncovered, rendering honors to the flag is respectful and homors those who served before us.

Response by SGT Michael Touchet made Apr 22 at 2015 11:07 AM

2015-04-22T11:07:54-04:00

I see no reason or harm in anyone saluting the flag, it's a sign of respect.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 11:15 AM

2015-04-22T11:15:55-04:00

I think anyone that has served in the Military SHOULD salute the flag. Outta respect for the military and for their own service, in general. I do.

Response by SSG John Erny made Apr 22 at 2015 11:17 AM

2015-04-22T11:17:32-04:00

Veterans groups salute in their uniforms anyway, I do not have an issue with it at all. There is no expiration date on our oath unless we expire; but, we will be there in spirit.

Response by SrA Edward Vong made Apr 22 at 2015 12:53 PM

2015-04-22T12:53:00-04:00

I'm not a retiree, just a veteran, and I still render a salute to the flag, and the national anthem. Just a sign of respect from when I still served.

Response by SPC Christian Ziegler made Apr 22 at 2015 1:16 PM

2015-04-22T13:16:28-04:00

I'm a Disabled Combat Veteran, I have earned the right to render the Hand-salute, any and all veterans have earned that right. In the News they like to say "less than 1% of the population serves right now" well you put that with the few other veterans out there that's what maybe 4%. Out of this Great Nation only we few have given life, limb, and youth. Yet more still serve. SO HELL YES WE HAVE ALL EARNED THAT RIGHT. Scouts Out

Response by Sgt Abdullahi Mohamud made Apr 22 at 2015 1:31 PM

2015-04-22T13:31:06-04:00

Every military member should salute the flag regardless of the member’s current status. The whole concept of saluting the flag signifies a sense of duty, honor and loyalty while still holding courage and devotion of defending the integrity of the union despite of the individual’s political affiliation.
Hence, Semper Fidelis – I vow that I will always remain faithful

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 1:32 PM

2015-04-22T13:32:21-04:00

Yes. As part of our parades at school we always ask that all members and veterans of the armed forces salute for the national anthem and the passing of the colors.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2015 2:58 PM

2015-04-22T14:58:55-04:00

Yes.

Anything else? :D

Response by CH (MAJ) William Beaver made Apr 22 at 2015 3:41 PM

2015-04-22T15:41:47-04:00

Most retirees salute. Should be choice. If in uniform though, NOT saluting disrespects the service, the uniform and the flag. In civies , it should be up to the Vet. I hope the Vet would salute

Response by MAJ Michael Robbins made Apr 29 at 2015 11:37 AM

2015-04-29T11:37:11-04:00

I salute the flag everyday in my front yard. May sound stupid, but in my M-F drive to work I listen to a radio station that recites the "pledge of allegiance" I finish with an Amen, and I look for a flag as I drive to salute. I know where every visible flag is in my 27 mile drive. So yes, saluting in civies is OK with me.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jun 6 at 2015 8:43 PM

2015-06-06T20:43:04-04:00

My guess is no unless you are in uniform, but what do I know.

Response by SSgt Robert Marx made Jun 18 at 2015 11:23 AM

2015-06-18T11:23:21-04:00

Absolutely. I have had a number of occasions when I have been around the national ensign, and I always assume the posture of attention and salute. It is my right.

Response by PO1 Charles Foley made Jun 18 at 2015 12:53 PM

2015-06-18T12:53:32-04:00

As a retired navy vet i find it still ackward to salute the flag in civilian clothes but i will always stand at attention and place my hand over my heart always

Response by PV2 Steven Stockwell made Jul 9 at 2015 4:46 PM

2015-07-09T16:46:54-04:00

I Am A Disabled Army Vet With A Level C-6 Quadrapalgic Condition And As Long As I Can Physically Move My Right Arm I Will Continue To Salute That Flag Till My Dieing Day

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2015 2:48 AM

2015-07-12T02:48:04-04:00

Rules for Rendering Hand Salute of U.S. Flag

Law Now Allows Retirees and Vets to Salute Flag
Traditionally, members of the nation's veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag only while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 contained an amendment to allow un-uniformed servicemembers, military retirees, and veterans to render a hand salute during the hoisting, lowering, or passing of the U.S. flag.

A later amendment further authorized hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel. This was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14, 2008.

Here is the actual text from the law:

SEC. 595. MILITARY SALUTE FOR THE FLAG DURING THE NATIONAL ANTHEM
BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES NOT IN
UNIFORM AND BY VETERANS.

Section 301(b)(1) of title 36, United States Code, is amended by
striking subparagraphs (A) through (C) and inserting the following new
subparagraphs:
``(A) individuals in uniform should give the
military salute at the first note of the anthem and
maintain that position until the last note;
``(B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who
are present but not in uniform may render the military
salute in the manner provided for individuals in
uniform; and
``(C) all other persons present should face the flag
and stand at attention with their right hand over the
heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it
at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart;

Note: Part (C) applies to those not in the military and non-veterans. The phrase "men not in uniform" refers to civil service uniforms like police, fire fighters, and letter carriers - non-veteran civil servants who might normally render a salute while in uniform.
http://www.military.com/benefits/resources/rules-for-rendering-hand-salute-of-u.s.-flag

Rules for Rendering Hand Salute of U.S. Flag - Military Benefits - Military.com

The National Defense Authorization Act of 2008 and 2009 contain amendments to allow un-uniformed servicemembers, military retirees, and veterans to render a hand salute during the hoisting, lowering, passing of the U.S. flag and the playing of the National Anthem.

Response by Cpl Shawn Hueter made Jul 12 at 2015 4:54 PM

2015-07-12T16:54:13-04:00

I salute the flag only when I am at a VFW or Marine Corps League Meeting. I will stand at the POA for the National Anthem and presenting of colors. It is ingrained into our minds to show respect for the flag and our nation, so why change when we are no longer in the uniform.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jul 12 at 2015 5:11 PM

2015-07-12T17:11:57-04:00

Of course you should!

Response by MSgt Jim Wolverton made Jul 12 at 2015 6:29 PM

2015-07-12T18:29:35-04:00

If they want to render a salute, great. However, they've always been able to do that, nobody can tell you not to.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Jul 12 at 2015 6:50 PM

2015-07-12T18:50:53-04:00

Yes and no questions asked regardless of how long they served.

Response by 1SG Rockwell Windows1 made Jul 12 at 2015 10:01 PM

2015-07-12T22:01:31-04:00

I feel that retirees that served honorably had to write to salute the flag

Response by SSG Jose Ortizburgos made Aug 18 at 2015 3:02 AM

2015-08-18T03:02:44-04:00

Yes, why not we did our job to protect her freedom..

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Aug 18 at 2015 8:17 AM

2015-08-18T08:17:35-04:00

There is no reason not to salute the flag either with a salute in the traditional sense or rite a hand salute. Either is fine with me

Response by CW3 Eric W. S. made Aug 18 at 2015 2:36 PM

2015-08-18T14:36:52-04:00

They EARNED that right

Response by SSgt Alex Robinson made Nov 12 at 2015 7:51 PM

2015-11-12T19:51:17-05:00

Why not? It's a sign of respect...

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 12 at 2015 8:01 PM

2015-11-12T20:01:11-05:00

That is your choice. I remain covered and salute during the Nat'l anthem. And stand at attention for the flag passing. Sometimes I do salute the flag also.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Nov 12 at 2015 9:51 PM

2015-11-12T21:51:36-05:00

Not only retirees, but Veterans in general are allowed the option to give a military salute. That being said, I have never yet seen any Veteran give a military salute uncovered. Of course the majority of our functions are outdoors. With Patriot Guard Riders, protocol is important. While we are not all Veterans, the majority of us are. Any breach of protocol is rapidly addressed, usually quietly and immediately. Any Veteran is free to choose if he wishes to place his hand/cover over his heart, or to render a hand salute if appropriate. Personally, I think of rendering the hand salute as a privilege I earned with my service. I take pride in doing it correctly and at the appropriate times.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 14 at 2016 7:43 PM

2016-04-14T19:43:37-04:00

Its not just retirees, its all veterans, and its an honor. It authorizes all veterans, even in civilian clothes, to render the hand salute rather than placing your hand over your heart. Its was passed by Congress in the Defense Authorization Act, I believe around 2009. I am now sub teaching at Oakland Military Institute, a public charter school in California. The students/cadets salute at the morning flag ceremony. I am in civilian clothes as a civilian staff member, and proudly render the hand salute every morning.

Response by SGT Paul Mackay made Apr 14 at 2016 8:39 PM

2016-04-14T20:39:30-04:00

If you want to I do and I'm retired

Response by LCpl Stephen Arnold made Mar 7 at 2017 11:25 AM

2017-03-07T11:25:59-05:00

Do you feel an overwhelming urge to show respect to our nation's flag? If so, by all means, salute it, scream "HOOAH", "OORAH", "HOOYAH", whatever your service scream is. Just don't spill your beer while you do it.

Response by PO1 Rudy Dowdy made Jul 20 at 2017 3:46 PM

2017-07-20T15:46:33-04:00

Yes

Response by Cpl Armando Mireles made Jul 20 at 2017 5:11 PM

2017-07-20T17:11:56-04:00

From the Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

New Law Authorizes Veterans’ Salutes during National Anthem
October 30, 2008, 08:00:00 AM
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WASHINGTON -- Veterans and active-duty military not in uniform can now render the military-style hand salute during the playing of the national anthem, thanks to changes in federal law that took effect this month.
“The military salute is a unique gesture of respect that marks those who have served in our nation’s armed forces,” said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Dr. James B. Peake. “This provision allows the application of that honor in all events involving our nation’s flag.”
The new provision improves upon a little known change in federal law last year that authorized veterans to render the military-style hand salute during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, but it did not address salutes during the national anthem. Last year’s provision also applied to members of the armed forces while not in uniform.
Traditionally, members of the nation’s veterans service organizations have rendered the hand-salute during the national anthem and at events involving the national flag while wearing their organization’s official head-gear.
The most recent change, authorizing hand-salutes during the national anthem by veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel, was sponsored by Sen. Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma, an Army veteran. It was included in the Defense Authorization Act of 2009, which President Bush signed on Oct. 14.
The earlier provision authorizing hand-salutes for veterans and out-of-uniform military personnel during the raising, lowering or passing of the flag, was contained in the National Defense Authorization Act of 2008, which took effect Jan. 28, 2008.

Response by SFC Gary (Bigsarge) Portier USARMY RET. made Jul 27 at 2017 1:06 PM

2017-07-27T13:06:17-04:00

Voluntarily, Yes. I don't see why there even needed to be a Reg. For that matter all who Server should be Proud to Salute the Flag.

Response by SGT Peter Hayes made Jul 27 at 2017 1:13 PM

2017-07-27T13:13:20-04:00

I'm also a veteran and still salute the flag. It's a right for all vets to salute if they wish to do so.

Response by SPC Rick Norris made Jul 27 at 2017 1:56 PM

2017-07-27T13:56:01-04:00

It is in the current Flag Code that all Veterans can (see the American Legion website).

Response by MSgt Mark Bucher made Jul 27 at 2017 2:04 PM

2017-07-27T14:04:03-04:00

I do, whether other people do is beyond my control. I consider it, (Saluting) a privilege.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 27 at 2017 7:16 PM

2017-07-27T19:16:13-04:00

I've never heard of anyone not being "allowed" to salute the flag.....hell JFK's kid did it.....and so have probably a million more since then......if the questions is should they be required to salute the flag I would say yes if they are in uniform. If the question is should they be allowed to.....I don't get it.....again I say shouldn't anyone be able to salute the flag is they wish to......Lord knows freedom of speech allows people to disrespect the flag in any vile way they can think of....why would we want to stop someone from showing respect by saluting it?

Response by CPT Jeff Reichardt made Aug 4 at 2017 5:31 PM

2017-08-04T17:31:17-04:00

Yes

Response by PO2 Robert Wilcox made Aug 10 at 2017 1:31 PM

2017-08-10T13:31:44-04:00

It's not just retirees but all veterans may salute the flag, whether in uniform or not. Yes, we all should render the honors that we have a right to render, whenever the opportunity arises.

Response by SFC Jim Ruether made Aug 24 at 2017 11:37 AM

2017-08-24T11:37:33-04:00

Absolutely! You joined under that flag, swore an oath and allegiance to it and the country it represents, watched it being unfolded to cover the caskets of friends of yours who didn't make it, what reason would you ever want or need not to respect it with a salute as it passes?

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made Sep 2 at 2017 7:54 AM

2017-09-02T07:54:10-04:00

I do, have no problem doing it neither, I'm showing my respect for the flag.

Response by COL Theodore Kientz made Dec 7 at 2017 6:07 AM

2017-12-07T06:07:30-05:00

Soldier for life; I will always salute the US flag!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2018 9:14 PM

2018-07-13T21:14:13-04:00

Opptinnal. I have saluted the flag and the national anthem at NASCAR events and taken some heat because civilians don't know that it is ok due to am act of Congress.

Response by Maj John Bell made Jul 14 at 2018 8:53 PM

2018-07-14T20:53:36-04:00

One of the benefits of being a veteran or retiree is that we can for the most part do what we please. When things in this country that saluting a flag puts me on the FBI's most wanted list, I'll probably salute just to stir things up.

Response by PFC Michael Korach made Nov 3 at 2018 3:14 PM

2018-11-03T15:14:09-04:00

I believe that everyone who has served has earned the right to saluat the flag. Our citizens as a matter of respect should place their hands over their hearts as a saluat to the flag honoring our history and the sacrifice of millions of fellow citizens in the defense of its freedoms. This who can't bring themselves to do it are ingnorant disrespectful cowards who would inform on you and their mothers the first chance they got.

Response by CW3 Paco Pelletier (Ret.) made Aug 15 at 2019 6:22 AM

2019-08-15T06:22:17-04:00

Yes, Respect.

Response by SSG Brian Carpenter made Sep 8 at 2019 12:31 PM

2019-09-08T12:31:07-04:00

Absolutely

Response by LTC Chris Kleymeyer made Apr 3 at 2020 12:02 AM

2020-04-03T00:02:54-04:00

Absolutely

Response by SGT Hubert Burchartz made May 13 at 2020 9:40 AM

2020-05-13T09:40:52-04:00

I am a Veteran, Immigrant (Naturalized US Citizen) and a Retiree (22 years), I Salute the Flag.

Response by MSG Thomas Currie made Mar 16 at 2024 2:26 PM

2024-03-16T14:26:43-04:00

If a retiree or veteran is wearing their military uniform (which law and regulations do allow) they absolutely SHOULD salute in any of the same circumstances when they would have saluted while in service. Regulations say saluting is optional for veterans and retirees, but as SGT Private RallyPoint Member pointed out those regulations aren't all that well known or binding.

If a retiree or veteran is not wearing their military uniform then a salute is absolutely optional. If they choose to salute, they should do so properly. If they choose not to salute then normal civilian courtesy to the flag is appropriate