Posted on Nov 19, 2013
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Now I have next to zero sympathy for anyone that fails the PT test.
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SFC Cell Ncoic
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If you don't want to discriminate against fat Soldiers than they should stop discriminating against tattooed Soldiers. Since the Army keeps preaching image and we need to have a "certain look to the American people"...you can hide ink, you can't fat. I was 200+lbs at 66 1/2" before I joined. I now maintain around 140lbs at 66" (lost a 1/2 inch b/c of deployments) and don't score below a 270 and I'm a crusty old senior NCO. When I came in the Army told me there is a standard...I keep the standard b/c it's the right thing to do. I'm a female, I don't use pregnancy and family as my excuse to "let myself go." Excuses are like assholes, everyone has them and they all stink.
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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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heyyy  now, I was given a bad ncoer because I said Kool aid in the DFAC while I was a DS.,,, (sarcam now) this all offends me and i find it just as racist as the person who filed the complaint against me for saying it..., smh talk about some thin skin... but not to mention how many people sing the kool aid cadence.. smh stupid stupid stupid...
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SSG Drill Sergeant
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Tellme Iin the regs where using a word that one person may consider profane but they themselves do not is unprofessional
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SSG Cannon Crew Member
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its in EO, people always get away with the whole impact vs intent thing... not that this is really along those lines, but that impact vs intent b.s. is where people get away with saying "that offends me"
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SGT Doug Turner
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I'm so glad I got out of the Army. A bunch of pussies running around claiming to be Soldiers. When I see someone crying over the use of ass holes I immediate realize two things, they're obviously a POG and two, they're leadership style is nonexistent. Hell, even Patton said an Army cannot exist without the use of profanity. But then again Patton was addressing men, not a bunch of cry babies holding stress cards. I feel sorry for the Senior NCOs that are forced to try and survive to make 20 in this environment. And I'm so sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. Come to the local VFW and I'll buy you a drink. But, those crusty guys in the corner..... they'll be cussing, bring your ear pro.
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SSG Robert Burns
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Weight should only be an issue after a failed APFT.  If it effects performance or health.  If the Army doesnt want big soldiers then maybe they should stop making uniforms that big.
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SPC David Dunn
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As a Radiologic Technologist, I can tell you there are absolutely variances in both bone mass and density. They can actually be pretty significant. Now, that doesn't mean a person with a normal bone mass will increase bone density when they gain weight. It is very normal however for increased bone mass and density throughout people of all body habitus (skinny, average, overweight, obese).
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SGT Brad May
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Shortly after basic I jogged a 13 min 2 mile, 65push ups and 65 sit ups and busted tape at 5'11 210lbs. At that point I understood the system wasn't built for me and moved on after my obligation with no regret or animosity. I salute all who serve and move with a purpose.
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I had to be taped the entire time I was in the Navy and regardless of my score on the individual events, if you busted tape, you failed the PT test. It was something that didn't make sense to me as a guy who regularly smoked sailors who were built like greyhounds. They could get by and do the minimum on their PT test but everyone thought they were in better shape than me because I was heavy. I've always been of mind that if you pass the Push Ups, Sit Ups, and Run (and well above the minimum), the rest shouldn't matter...
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PO2 Network Technician
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The tape system is definitely broken. I've had friends that were built like tanks fail their rope 'n choke, but they were all muscle. That being said, how many times have you seen a first class/chief that has a gut that hangs below his groin? How many times have you seen said first class giving a lecture to junior enlisted about how they need to maintain their fitness? I've personally had a first class run my PT that didn't get down and do a single pushup with us when he definitely needed it more than any of us. In those situations, I honestly could not take them seriously. So back onto the original topic, I do honestly believe that the military (as a whole) should discriminate against overweight people. They could, however, redefine their definition of overweight.

Also, I'm pretty certain (though could not prove it) that the said first class has not run an actual PRT in quite a while, making excuses to get out of them.
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<p>Sir,</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If a Soldier is overweight they aren't being discriminated against. They aren't meeting set standards. I do think that the policy needs to get looked at though. I know a few Soldiers that can score 300+ on the APFT, but are considered overweight by Army standards. I think that the height/weight standards and APFT need to work together more effectively. If a Soldier is overweight and can't pass the APFT they need to be processed for separation, but if they can pass the APFT consideration needs to be made. While at Fort Hood I watched a Soldier get chaptered for not passing tape even though he scored a 340 on the extended scale.</p>
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SFC Visual Information Operations Chief
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For the sake of the debate. Strength is not measured by an individual's body mass it is a variable,but there's more to it.<br><br>I am a Signal Soldier that can Deadlift 400 pnds and I only weigh 170 pnds. So the argument the bigger guys are stronger is not accurate,&nbsp;conditioning, body mechanics and mass will dictate how strong&nbsp;an individual is.&nbsp;<br><br>When it comes to hand to hand combat mass does not equate to fighting experience and technique. I'll take an experience and fit fighter over the bigger guy that has never a fought&nbsp;a day&nbsp;their lives. &nbsp; <br><br>
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SFC Administrative Assistant
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I had a SSG like the CPT, he had zero body fat but had to be taped everytime because his height did not meet his toned body composition.  I angered me that here I have a damn good NCO and he was mired by the fact that he is as healthy as the Army would want him to be.  Luckily the Deputy Division Commander understood the situation and that helped.
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SFC Visual Information Operations Chief
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I got a down vote hahaha that's funny.<br><br>It seems I might have offended someone.&nbsp;
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PFC Infantryman
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Hello.
I am a active duty PFC stationed in Alaska as an 11B and I am personally going through this exact situation. I just took a PT test for record and scored a 297. I am currently 179lbs but the Army has flagged me for being overweight because I am "vertically challenged" at 5'7. It is keeping me from putting on my automatic SPC coming in a couple weeks and here I am having to cut weight and sacrifice my current workout regiment and very healthy diet to try and achieve these standards. Don't get me wrong, I fully understand the standard and agree with it being enforced to the max, I just cant help but be infuriated though when I see people I work with that can barely pass the standards or PT and skim by because they are taller. The standard should definitely be revised.
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