"The Creed of the Non Commissioned Officer", If you could re write the Creed for OIF/OEF era, what would your message be?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 May 2016 16:52:29 -0400

The creed was originally written at a time where the Army had major disiplinary issues in Vietnam. Todays NCOs have served as standard bearers and role models for their Officers and junior enlisted during OIF/OEF. So if you could put your stamp on the future of the Armies Non Commisioned Officers Creed what would it be? (Use the N,C,O format)

Response by SFC Josh Billingsley made May 12 at 2016 4:53 PM

SFC Josh Billingsley — Thu, 12 May 2016 16:53:45 -0400

Be right, know right and do right or GTFO

Response by SPC Andrew Griffin made May 12 at 2016 4:54 PM

SPC Andrew Griffin — Thu, 12 May 2016 16:54:14 -0400

This will take me all day to write and it will be a LONG Creed! I would need to get back to you on this!

Response by SFC Wade W. made May 12 at 2016 4:54 PM

SFC Wade W. — Thu, 12 May 2016 16:54:18 -0400

I wouldn't. It's message still stands today.

Response by SGT Philip Roncari made May 12 at 2016 5:21 PM

SGT Philip Roncari — Thu, 12 May 2016 17:21:36 -0400

The NCO Creed was written after I left the Service and I can understand the reasons for its creation,understanding that a large number of NCOs were needed because of the attrition of small unit leaders,tour of duty,KIA WIA these same NCOs although not having the professionalism of the peace time Army,I feel followed the basic Creed to the best of their ability I personally was not an NCO in Vietnam made my rank upon return to the World

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 12 at 2016 5:28 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Thu, 12 May 2016 17:28:14 -0400

I personally would like to read hwat NCO's would have to say, but first please prove your thesis! I read nothing in the creed that indicates it was written for NCO's who were less than. One cannot deny that todays NCO's re great, however your thesis implies that any promoted prior to 2003 are not, or were not. When you organization has its next Sr. NCO meeting take your statement and read it to the 1SG's and the CSM.
I do look forward to reading the responses.

Response by SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth made May 12 at 2016 5:52 PM

SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth — Thu, 12 May 2016 17:52:15 -0400

Leave as is.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 9:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 May 2016 21:20:26 -0400

I agree with #CSM Darieus Z, your thesis implies that the NCOs before us were not to par and hence the creation of the NCO Creed!

Now I wouldn't change any part of it because it stands today as it did back then. NCOs today have been the standard bearers. However, we also have had bad apples. We have had people make mistakes that we are constantly on the news, worse then the ones before us.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 9:30 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 May 2016 21:30:17 -0400

"I'm the most professional bad-ass NCO on the planet."

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2016 11:44 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 12 May 2016 23:44:27 -0400

I wouldn't change nothing about the backbone of the ARMY.

Response by SGT Bobby F. made May 13 at 2016 9:46 AM

SGT Bobby F. — Fri, 13 May 2016 09:46:54 -0400

I don't see an issue with the message itself, it's the lack of follow through in the one's and two's in the NCO Corps. that is the issue. However, every group in every organization has their bad apples, and in my experience those few are not indicative of the whole.

Response by SFC Bayardo Reyes made May 13 at 2016 11:39 AM

SFC Bayardo Reyes — Fri, 13 May 2016 11:39:25 -0400

The NCO creed; I believe, was more towards the future of the NCO as its been developing. We have gone a long way as per what these Stripes can do and are capable off. All the way as far as American Revolution where "little standardization of NCO duties or responsibilities existed". (A Short History of The Noncommisioned Officer, by L.R. Arms)
Written in 1974 wasn't it? and to this day (integrity check), we still have a few not understanding or even try to abide by this creed. Hell, we loosing a lot of traditions to. NCO Induction, residing the NCO Creed and NCO Oath when first pinned... eh, first Velcro-ed. I think as little it may look and maybe from different era, it still applies with no changes. It has a larger representation of our duties and responsibilities not just because a "ranking enlisted" but because we are the ones with the experience, continuity, the guidance and of course, leadership. For every officer that has served, they can not say they did not have a NCO that influence and provided guidance and even some mentorship at one point of their career. Our job as Noncommissioned Officers is greater; and maybe getting cocky here, than any other rank in all branches. We have been there and done that.
Now saying this, I have seen slack on the mentoring. Not on everybody but its happening.
Example: What ever happened to those young SGTs calling their Soldiers 30-45 min prior to formation making sure they are on their way for PT?, or the ones that Monday Morning they where at the barracks 30 min before formation. << great way to conduct barracks check, ensure Soldiers are on time to formation, time to react if Soldier is missing, and on.. As I have seen, most Juniors think "they are grown A$% men/women, I don't need to do such. How true is that that statement, I remember being a Private... Single, At Barracks, no other responsibilities, etc. << NCO Creed applies to the basics [All Soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my Soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own]
how can I put this, "brah, do you even know how Leaders Book is used?"

Response by Private RallyPoint Member made May 13 at 2016 3:47 PM

Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 May 2016 15:47:13 -0400

If it aint broke, do t fix it

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2017 1:27 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Oct 2017 13:27:37 -0400

Instead of looking for a reason to change a document to fit today, how about changing the person or their group of people in living those principles. I think the Creed works as written our problems come when people start putting their own personal touch into something like that Creed the human element of that product can always use some tweaking.