The Senior NCO in the Utah NG was forced into early retirement for allowing a bikini shoot with equip. Thoughts?

2014-11-02T10:41:07-05:00

4 Soldiers with Utah NG are facing disciplinary actions, the Senior NCO is forced to retire, for the unauthorized use of military equipment for a bikini photo shoot. All Soldiers will face some type of corrective action, the Senior NCO is forced to retire. The only restitution being sought is $200.00 in fuel expenses. Do you think the punishment is too harsh, too light or just right?

Response by SGT Richard H. made Nov 2 at 2014 10:44 AM

2014-11-02T10:44:08-05:00

Was there more to the question?

Response by SGT Richard H. made Nov 2 at 2014 10:55 AM

2014-11-02T10:55:10-05:00

I don't think the NG is wrong for having a negative reaction to this. The Military is all about looking past differences between people. This means putting men & women, blacks & whites, etc. all on an equal plane, as it should be. Publishing something that can be construed as sexism is really no different than publishing something that could be construed as racism in my opinion.

Hey, I enjoy a bikini as much as the next guy, but if someone's calling is to do bikini photo shoots, there are places to work that do that. The Army isn't one of them.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 11:40 AM

2014-11-02T11:40:43-05:00

Good. I wish it was more harsh. This level of unprofessionalism is off the charts. You can't buy the Army. How did they think this was going to end.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 2 at 2014 11:59 AM

2014-11-02T11:59:19-05:00

Now, if this had been an E-1 that let these folks in the gate cuz someone claimed they had the base commander's permission - that I can see the E-1 getting some ass chewing and maybe some extra military training.

However, a Senior NCO - someone that damn well knew better (and most likely made some money on the side doing this) - his punishment is to be allowed to retire? Uh...hell no! That idiot should be court-martialed and used as an example of "Usage of military equipment and facilities - what not to do". His/her face should be up on every base bulletin board with the comment "SFB" (you figure it out) underneath it.

He/She knew better - if not, then that individual has no business being an SNCO.

'Nuff said.

Response by SSG William Patton made Nov 3 at 2014 11:43 AM

2014-11-03T11:43:04-05:00

Using military equipment for a photo shoot of any kind without permission is only asking for trouble and it appears they got trouble. A senior NCO should know better and disregarding the regulations, lost a career they worked hard for. Do the crime, now do the time.

Response by SPC David S. made Nov 3 at 2014 2:12 PM

2014-11-03T14:12:53-05:00

This was definitely a bad idea and this is coming from the guru of bad ideas - me. 1). This type of objectification of women is not the direction the military should be headed. What kind of message is this sending. Yes I get it. I like guns and I like girls but imagine this being done in another setting like your local school district, local religious organization, or local police department. It gets creepy real fast. 2). Equally there is also a liability issue. If these ladies were firing live rounds even with instruction how is the military culpable if anyone gets hurt or killed. Its easy enough to get brass down your blouse when properly clothed so there are concerns on how this was conducted according to regulations. If military personnel did any of these same activities as these ladies did they would be in trouble 3). Its clearly unauthorized use of military equipment. Throw a track who is paying for the repairs. As to being force to retire I feel its rather harsh but now is not the time to push the envelope as the DoD is looking for any yahoo's, especially senior level, to help with the down sizing. Again very bad idea but I did buy a calendar.

Response by SFC Erin Barnett made Nov 4 at 2014 12:10 PM

2014-11-04T12:10:37-05:00

Question, Do you want to follow someone with such poor decision making skills? It was time for him to go.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Aug 17 at 2015 10:22 AM

2015-08-17T10:22:59-04:00

I'd have to see more of this (no pun intended) before rendering an opinion on judicial action. However, at the face value of the title, I actually have no issue with this at all. I cant tell you how many times my fellow soldiers blew off a little steam on a well-deserved weekend doing some pretty outrageous things.
...but once again, without know exactly what happened and where the photos were released to and who was actually involved...I cannot render any judgement