What Happens When Therapy Doesn't Help?

2015-04-08T11:26:33-04:00

Let's say I have a 'friend' that is in therapy for PTS issues. This 'friend' feels like he is drowning still, even though he has a wife and two little daughters that adore him. He feels like there is so much going on in his head that compartmentalizing isn't even an option anymore...his decision making abilities are diminished because he only sees beginning problem and end result and forgets to clarify along the way - in doing this he gets bogged down with everyday tasks and has problems unless there is a strict schedule to follow? Has anyone else had these issues, and if so, how do you cope? How do you stay a productive member of a family and a worthy employee? How do you find worth in yourself when it seems like you are more of a burden than anything else?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 11:39 AM

2015-04-08T11:39:33-04:00

You join RallyPoint and continue drinking.
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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 12:20 PM

2015-04-08T12:20:11-04:00

Darn PTSD!!

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If your "friend" hasn't heard Epiphany by Staind, you should make him listen to it. This song speaks SO MUCH to me.

It's not out of the ordinary for your friend to feel all alone. I've got a huge family and I still to this day feel like the odd one out. I have had a lot of failed relationships. Yeah, there were some assholes, but I am also not ready on the inside to make that commitment. I just need to take care of myself and my little family.

Feeling like I am alone and the odd one out is something that I am going to have to get over myself. I don't like asking for help. Hell, I DON'T NEED IT! At least that's what I keep telling myself. My house is in shambles, mainly because I have a 8 year old that likes to throw and leave stuff on the floor, but I also feel like I am just too overwhelmed. Single mommy, working, trying to make ends meet is tough. I am always so busy. The only time that I have for myself is when I go to the bar for a couple of hours, once a week, to just get away. ME time.

I think a lot of us that suffer PTSD need Me time. If its playing pool, golfing, going for a run, fishing, we need time to reflect. Your friend is not a burden, although he might feel like it. Don't let ANYONE ELSE make your friend feel that way. I mean no one can MAKE your friend fell that way, he does have a choice.

Talking. Talk to your friend or tell him to reach out and talk with someone who knows where he is coming from.

I hope I've helped your friend a little. Have a great day!

Epiphany-Staind

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Response by PO3 Steven Sherrill made Apr 8 at 2015 12:32 PM

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One your "friend" needs to get this out in the open with their spouse. Once a demon is exposed, it loses its power.
Two find a hobby that demands attention to detail such as model building. This is a bonus as it is something that the children can get in on as well.
Three if therapy is not working, try other resources such as VFW, American Legion, Elks Lodge, Moose Lodge, etc.
Four, understand that you are not alone, you don't have to face this monster alone.
Five PTSD is caused by having been there. Your friend along with everyone else who battles this demon has experienced something horrible while defending this nation. Your friend needs to understand that they are valuable. Remind them of that. As corny as it sounds, call your friend and tell em "Hey, you are valuable, I care." it goes a long way.
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Response by MSgt Jamie Lyons made Apr 8 at 2015 12:34 PM

2015-04-08T12:34:19-04:00

Talking helps. Talking with someone who was there with helps more. I had a 'friend' who went away to therapy. Helped him and his family a lot.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 1:47 PM

2015-04-08T13:47:56-04:00

For me it was a combination of meds therapy family support and returning to activities. The meds took a little while to get adjusted to the right dose and therapy helped a lot. Opening to my family made things easier for all of us. They understood certain reactions and would let me know if I was changing or reacting poorly. Finally coaching has been a blessing. Puts me back with a team and sharing knowledge with kids. The biggest thing is to admit there is an issue face it and use as many different approaches as needed. A single approach doesn't always work.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 1:55 PM

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I would say is to have a good friend that understands you. When I came back from OIF I and got out of the Army I don't think I was ready for being a civilian. OIF I was pretty ugly. I was lucky to have a good wife and friends to help me. Through the way. I have became unorganized in some ways as a way to cope. I really enjoy not thinking. I go on long ways to achieve this. It is just about the only way. Beside that I have pretty much developed OCD. I don't recall ever having it when I was younger but after I got back and still till today it affects me. Due to this I can't wear shoes with laces. It bothers me too much. When I run I will tie my shoes about 10 times, if I am lucky. This doesn't help with clearing my mind much.

But finding an outlet is the way to go. Avoiding military stuff is also a great way. I moved away from a base and go to a city to relax. I don't go to military bars or venues. I just want a regular place to feel like a regular guy. Finding a way to fill your time is a most. It should be something that has fulfillment in it. When you read a book, build a bike, or run a half marathon you fill like you have completed something. That sense is needed. The lack of fulfillment is the worst.

But finding a good group that has similar experience is the way to go. I recall a guy I knew trying to talk to me about PTSD and how we are alike and it didn't help at all. I actually got really upset. He as a Aircraft Refueler in Afghan as some big base. He never left the wire or patroled. That is not the same as an infantryman in Baghdad. By him trying to do that it made me mad. But he was trying. I appreciate that now. I always have an open ear for friends if need be.

Response by Capt Bob Abbott made Apr 8 at 2015 2:10 PM

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Going through the same thing here mate, both me and my wife (she's not a vet). For me, writing helps. I can blog out there and without really caring who reads it I can explain how I feel. I can share the link if you want to read, but that's not my purpose for writing here.

Most important, the whole reason I write this, you are not a burden. Not to your family, to your friends, or to your coworkers. I spent years after my deployments wondering how to find worth in myself. At some point what a friend said to me finally sunk in. You have worth because you are a soul. That in of itself has value. There is nothing you can do that can increase or reduce that base value. You have worth because you are. At some point, maybe not now, that will make sense. For me, until that point I was terribly confused by the whole statement. Then somewhere last year it finally clicked.

I like the book Why is Dad Mad?, but also Brian Castner's book, The Long Walk, is definitely worth a read. I gave it to my family to read and that helped them understand where I was at. Progress is slow, but it does happen.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Apr 8 at 2015 3:09 PM

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I have good news SSgt Joe V., your friend is not alone and there are many people who can identify with the situation. I was in such a bad place that I got a master's degree in psychology trying to figure out why I was so broken! No one is immune to PTS. It is a human condition that is built into us for our protection. It's like an off/on switch that we had to tap into for our own protection. The problem is that some of us have a broken off switch (I'm using an overly simple description). The only thing my degree helped me with was being able to understand the official terms and reasons behind my feelings, but alas, no off switch repair is provided. Therapy is a very broad term. Some people really benefit from group therapy, other people would rather move to a cabin in Alaska to be alone instead of opening up to a group. Some PTS survivors need individual counseling, or medication, or a combination of all of the above. Your friend has a huge leg up, and that is a support system that is in place. Make sure the family gets into a support group as well so they can be learn to armor themselves during the battle with PTS.
Many brilliant, top mental health experts have been working on identifying this broken switch and there are great theories, but all they have succeeded in doing is learning what all of us PTS people have in common and they made it much easier to identify us, but not necessarily help us. The part that sucks is that there is no cure for PTS. There is only living with it successfully, living with it unsuccesfully, and all that grey area in between.
I have to have medication. I have a strong spiritual belief system and knowledge of my PTS, so I got cocky and tried tapering off my meds. What a disaster! But some other people take the same dosage of the same medication and have no positive benefits. There are MANY different meds out there and some meds need meds to go with them. Needless to say, it can take a long time to find the right balance, and since no two people are the same, it is always trial and error.
Another problem is self medicating. I was a HUGE self medicator! I could make a 1/5 of whiskey go away in a night and be functional the next day. Taking meds is almost pointless if you are just going to alter your brain chemistry with drugs or alohol. Make sure your friend knows this. All we want is to supress our PTS and we think it is better to go for a temp quick fix. That leads to a weakened support structure within your family, jail, other legal problems, and increased symptoms. In the legal system, no one cares about WHY you are in trouble and in the end we pay the full price........trust me (wink).
I threw in the towel, not out of weakness, but out of strength (looking back years later). My OEF/OIF case manager in the VA got me into a inpatient (residential) PTS program and they shipped me off to Menlo Park, CA all the way from Phoenix. Some survivors are there for 2 months to learn the basic skills of survival and successful living with the beast, some are offered a 4 month stay to continue working on that switch if they think you are a good candidate. I was there for 4 months and gave up the hootch in 2011. I still have my moments, but who doeesn't? The same things that haunted my dreams and controlled my life are now just........more easily dealt with.
Bottom line, your friend can successfully learn to live with the beast. Have your "friend" message me any time. He is NEVER alone! When we quit trying to fight the beast to a stalemate, we are saying publically that we CHOOSE to accept the life we are currently in.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2015 3:20 PM

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SSgt Joe V., is your friend local to the Twin Cities Metro area? He is going through the rough stuff that I went through about two years ago. We could arrange to get together and talk if you'd like, I also know my local contacts that have helped me out...

Response by LTC John Shaw made Apr 8 at 2015 7:52 PM

2015-04-08T19:52:18-04:00

I have been attending VA counseling for the past two years for both PTSD and couples counseling so my wife could reflect to an independent person how I am reacting at home and around our four kids.
It took me about a 18 months after returning from Kandahar to admit I should be in counseling and be open to use of medication that would stop my anger and since of worthlessness. I had never experienced anything like this before...

No civilian job can be as important as my military job was to me, but I had to release on the feeling that I was letting people down by not being deployed or in a unit ready to deploy.

I can still yell at the top of my lungs at the drop of a hat and tick off everyone in my family by pointing out every last detail of what they did not do or how they did not meet a standard of perfection.

I still have insomnia, wake up in a panic attack, migraine headaches, night grinding, you get the picture, but all symptoms are better than they were when I started the process.

I took it one step at a time and asked for VA counseling for couples first, then medications, then PTSD counsel, then sleep study, then neurology, etc. just listening to the VA Primary Care doc, counselors, my wife, and some peers I trust who have similar issues.

Invest yourself in your work, family and hobby that you relax doing and can share with others.
When you are work only focus on the work issues.
At home, only on relationships, not the 'work' that is required to run the home.
Find something that allows you to relax, (I still suck at this part...)

Know you can reach out and discuss with peers like us.
Take each day, one day at time, find others to help along the way and it will get better.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 3:17 AM

2015-04-09T03:17:04-04:00

I wish I could share a success story and wisdom with you all, but I struggle daily to stay alive. I did my 10 years as a super trooper over achieving soldier, went through Desert Shield/Storm. After returning from DS in '91 to a less than faithful second wife and 2 ungrateful step-daughters, 6 mos. later I was sent to S. Korea unaccompanied for a year. I returned and was divorced 4 months later. A year later, I hooked up with a Capt for 8 months and almost married her. She wanted kids, I didn't. Broke up on Thursday, Friday she married "just a friend" and was 3 weeks pregnant with his kid. A month before this second betrayal, I crashed a UH-60 in the desert (only slight aircraft damage, no casualties). I self-refereed myself to mental health because I felt I was losing it and the rage was starting to destroy wall lockers. As a CW2 Co/BN Safety Officer, I was finished flying. 3 Months of counseling for depression and anxiety, I was given Zoloft and worked out like a beast to combat the nightmares, rejection, loss, etc. It worked to relieve the stress. Knowing the stigma I had created for myself, I resigned in shame from the only thing I knew and loved, the Army and flying.

I started the merry go round of worthless low paying civilian jobs, but by the grace of God, married a women (nurse practitioner that is not the touchy feely type) who for some reason, continues to tolerate me. I have had to many jobs to count and continue to feel lost. My wife convinced me to seek help at the VA in 2011. Big shocker, severe PTSD/ severe Depression and Anxiety for a 50% disability + 10% for tinnitus. A couple of years of VA counseling from female internists half my age, a crap load of pills twice a day, and I still have to force myself not to eat a bullet.

PTSD sucks! Loss sucks! Civilian life sucks! There are good days and there are bad days. I was once a very faithful Christian and now I feel like God hates my ass! I have lost my faith in God, myself, and my country. It is a dark place that I struggle with when awake and asleep.

Bottom line, we all have shitty stories and experiences that will continue to haunt our lives. The trick is to never quit or surrender to them. Suicide is not a solution. As long as you have breath in your lungs, you can fight. Find a battle buddy or counselor that you can open up to and get the demons out. Realize you are not alone and that the feelings you have are felt by thousands of your brothers and sisters. It isn't very comforting to know we are screwed up, but we did what we could to protect our country and served with honor. Stay in contact with folks here. I have isolated myself for far to many years and struggle to make contact, as I feel less than worthy or interesting to anyone else. THAT is a barrier you need to try and avoid.

I am now seeking therapy from outside the VA (tomorrow) to see if that will help. I am also trying to become an artist and hope to work through issues that way.

Best of luck to everyone dealing with similar issues.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2015 8:18 AM

2015-04-09T08:18:45-04:00

The problem with PTSD is that because you feel so intensely from seemingly small things, it is difficult to feel more subtle emotions like contentment or joy. Those feelings get "shouted down" by ones like anxiety, fear, or anger. This leads to fatigue, restlessness, and acting out.

I don't have a silver bullet, but I have two suggestions:
1. Your friend must find his "Zen", something he enjoys that requires just enough concentration to focus, but not so much he can't relax. For many, this is exercise of some sort. For me, it was fishing that helped me find peace.
2. Talking helps. Talking with others that understand helps more. Talking with others and actually helping them along the way helps the most. A lot of my Soldiers see themselves in my experiences, and find ways to adapt that to their mindset. Sometimes that means standing in front of an E-4 and admitting you made mistakes, that you are human, that you feel regrets from not getting it right every time, and sometimes those mistakes had consequences. It may knock you off the pedestal of infallibility, and for those leaders who are vain that is the bridge too far. But for the Soldier in the back wrestling his demons, he figures out that he is not alone, that his brothers feel the same way he does, that it is OK to take a knee if you need it, then put on your rucksack again and resolve to do better next time.

Your friend is not a leper. Think about ways you as his friend can help him find either or both of my suggestions, and you will be giving him a great gift. I see that you are local, so if you ever wish to meet and discuss this more, message me. I'd be very willing to meet your friend as well.
Good Luck, SSgt Joe V.

Response by Maj Kim Patterson made Apr 10 at 2015 6:43 PM

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I completely switched professions. I became a nurse, a good nurse. I worked in several specialties. I worked all of the time. All of the time. Around the clock. Because I couldn't sleep. The job that finally did me in was as a sexual assault nurse examiner. The work needed to be done. You don't know what time the phone is going to ring or how old the patient is nor do you know how grave the Injuries are. I've been on every psych med and combo and still I cannot sleep. I am a grown child of a PTSD warrior from WWII. It was hell growing up and the moment I could sign up and leave, I left. I have been diagnosed with my own PTSD. My one wish is that I could sleep. I am telling you I have unsuccessfully attempted suicide more than once. Two cousins were successful, so perhaps there is some genetic component. I was sent to the PTSD unit in Topeka. One nurse. No groups, no activities, no one to check down the halls. Nothing but personel containment. I work one on one with a therapist mostly because I worked professionally with over 90% of the VA Behavioral Health staff in civilian settings. The only "psych meds I take and have taken for over a year are 2 mg of alprazolam and 20mg of zolpidem. This slows my mind enough to rest. Recently they added Prazosin Hcl. It is supposed to be the new miracle drug that gets that on/off switch to go off at night and allow sleep. I have atypical response to most meds so it didn't work. The plus is I can read about a book a night. I volunteer at several wonderful places. I dance. I used to horseback ride daily. Cancer and its buddies put a stop to that for the time being, I know, I don't look like I have PTSD. I don't "look sick" at all. I look just fine.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2015 7:55 PM

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SSgt Vanesse, concur completely with Capt Chambless finding an expressive outlet is hugely important. What treatment plan has your friend tried. Why I ask this is because I have found many service members treated at the VA stay with the same treatment plan without signs of improvement. Be willing to change treatment plans if things aren't improving.

Even just understanding why the brain can't shut off the images, smells, sounds from the past was helpful. In essence all of these things are memories stored in short term memory. Your long term memory is like a photograph...there are few if any other things attached to the "photograph" Treatment plans that aid the mind in moving these thoughts, smells and sounds to long term memory are where I would start.
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (requires written Homework about experiences) and EMDR Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing have helped many of my Soldiers. Are there TBI (Traumatic Brain Injuries) symptoms as well?

Response by SPC Angel Guma made Apr 10 at 2015 11:51 PM

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Here's a few lessons I learned:

1. Avoid the advice of people with little personal experience in whatever struggles you may have.
2. People get most moralizing from Facebook or TV. They package cliche sounding phrases in an effort to save face if they don't know what they are talking about.
3. Most people are truly do-nothings that will not act to do the right thing. Its well documented most people do not confront aggressors they see, like in the cases of rape or assault. They will walk by and pretend not to notice. Worse still are people that know bullying and malfeasance are happening and yet turn a blind eye. Remember, see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Keep that in mind.
4. Be extremely careful about opening up to veteran related issues.
5. Humanity is fallen. The ranks of society are filled with people that make a living by saying good things, and then doing the exact opposite of good when no one is looking.

Employer 'issues' about 50% of the time are not the employees fault. 'Employers' are not better, more holy souls than the people they interview for hire. Often times, veterans get attached to the uniform and they fail to recognize most people do not abide by anything remotely similar to the Soldier's Creed. It helps to communicate this at times if the veteran, hinted at in this post, has this issue. We are making progress here but there is still a lot more work to be done.

I just make sure to heed lessons learned. The therapy industry is full of con artists and wolves that prey on veterans. When people will wake up is another thing.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2015 12:48 AM

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The best therapy that i have found is staying in contact with the men and women you served with. I have multiple deployments, and as you know each one is different. My wife tells me i am not the same person when i come home. It takes time brother we are used to making split second decisions based on the scenario around us. Most of the time we don't have time to weigh the options. Think of your family as you would your platoon, include them in your decision making process, but also take time for yourself. Always remember our families serve to, I believe they have it harder than we do. When we are oversees doing the deed we don't think about much else. Our families go through the day to day bs as well the added stress if their loved one is alive or dead. I sought help when i got home from my last deployment, the unit should have a health professional or hell go see a chaplain. No one will hold it against you for seeking help. if you need to talk to someone I am currently oversees (sand land) I will be happy to listen. I am also a JTAC-I so i am sure we have had some of the same experiences. Good luck brother, and remember when in doubt put your hand to your heart, feel that its called purpose, and you got one!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 11 at 2015 10:57 AM

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I have PTSD and I had symptoms of racing thoughts, a pit in my stomach, anxiety, depression, inability to sleep well, felt disconnected to the world, could not think straight, felt a fear for not being able to control who I am, and suicidal thoughts. If someone has PTSD like that, I strongly urge going in patient. A few VAs have facilities to accommodate patients.

The road to my recovery was a trick to the brain. Every day I mentioned who or what I loved, and what I liked about me. I said it every day even if I did not believe it. This makes a person more positive and breaks the cycle of negative thinking.

I wrote all my steps down in an 8 page paper. You can have it free if you email me at [login to see] .

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2015 8:07 PM

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Lots of different answers to this problem. Some would say find god, some would say that he needs to surround himself with people that he can talk to. I don't have PTS, I never had to fire my weapon in anger, but I have served in Afghanistan and seen some disturbing things. I can't level with this guy about what he saw or did, all I can say is that what he is doing right now isn't working so he either needs to try something else. My I would talk to my wife (he seems like a family man) she may not be okay with it at first but just getting out what he's holding in might help, after getting all that out, get on with your life. I know that's something hard to say but unless you want to carry that burden to your grave you need to find a way to lock that information away in the back of your mind and bury it forever. If whatever you did was so horrible that even that is not an option than if it were I, I would go to church...a lot...and not for the mass but to pray and ask forgiveness for what I had done. I'm not super religious but this is the one time when confession would be a good choice.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 24 at 2015 4:11 PM

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It took me a year in hell for me to realize a trick that I used on depressed soldiers. I told them to talk to themselves about who, what they love, and have gratitude for what they have. This is in line with Ernest Hemingway who wrote if you are broken, look for the light. I also took on a huge project of felling trees with my ax to open up the forest. I pushed myself to walk around a frozen lake in the middle of the winter. They were all linear tasks and not multi-tasking. You can email me at [login to see] should you be interested in how I beat the majority of my PTSD. It would be my honor as I know stuff that can benefit people.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 24 at 2015 5:20 PM

2015-08-24T17:20:34-04:00

Right now he has racing thoughts, depression, anxiety, and stress. He is searching for answers that he can not see or find.

Response by Beth J made Jan 22 at 2016 11:30 AM

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Perhaps flotation therapy is a solution? It's self-guided and does amazing things for helping the brain calm itself. Please let me know if you'd like additional information about it. I am opening a flotation center for this very reason and have tons of resources (including float locations (not my own) all over the country). Research has shown it to be an incredible tool for sufferers of anxiety/depression/PTSD and any stress related conditions. I'm truly just hear to help educate everyone I can that this is an option - no matter where you may be! Please let me know how I can help.

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Jan 24 at 2016 5:57 AM

2016-01-24T05:57:25-05:00

I would like to recommend "The Warrior Connection", http://www.warriorconnection.org/

warriorconnection

Response by Cpl Glynis Sakowicz made Jan 24 at 2016 9:45 AM

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SSGT Joe Vanasse, as soon as I figure that out, I'll tell you. I swear, it sounds as if our son-in-law was writing your post.
A brilliant man, who married our daughter nine years ago, is now on drug therapy, plays endless video games, can't recall where he is going the second he steps out the door, and he looses most anything the moment he has them. He is forever trying to decide on any choice, because like you, he gets caught up in the options. Our daughter has a schedule on the bedroom wall for him. Medication... shower... breakfast...the whole day, and he seems to function well, but if one thing is off... traffic makes him miss something, or he looses something, his entire day is thrown off.
He can no longer work, he can't drive, and we are trying to figure out how to help him, because our VA here just seems to throw more drugs his way each time he mentions a problem, and that really isn't helping. We can't seem to get him into therapy, because he's terrified of it for some reason, so we've been wallowing around, trying to find something that will help.
Please know, SSGT Vanasse, you, and our son-in-law, are NOT burdens. You are loved... you are necessary to your family, and finding your way thru this isn't easy, but its so much better for those around you, to have YOU than you think.

Response by Beth J made Aug 8 at 2016 8:32 AM

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Have any of you had the opportunity to try flotation/sensory deprivation therapy? There is lots of science coming out about how it calms the fight or flight response in the brain and allows the pre-frontal cortex the opportunity to strengthen itself and, thus, help control the psychological and physiological response when triggers are present. If anything, it's incredible for anxiety and depression and may be a great "buddy" to traditional counseling. There are a number of personal testimonies from veterans that have succeeded in weaning off pharmaceuticals due to flotation. I'm happy to talk further about it to anyone interested. Unfortunately, float centers are not available *everywhere* just yet, but I'd be more than happy to help you locate a good one, too.

I'm opening a float center near Camp Lejeune in the very near future and fought the local health department for a long time to bring it to this area for these very reasons. It's powerful, but not many are keen to it just yet.