What will happen if your unit doesn't have funds to send soldiers to ALC?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:05:08 -0400

What will happen to SGT(P) career if the unit doesn't have the funds to send soldiers. Especially if they close to their RCP date?

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2016 11:09 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:09:36 -0400

Are you registered in Atrrs for the course and Do you have orders 1610 to go? I would talk to your chain of command and see if they could help.

Response by SSG Roderick Smith made Jul 7 at 2016 11:14 PM

SSG Roderick Smith — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:14:32 -0400

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but NCOES courses don't come out of your unit budget.

Have you been told there is no money?

Response by 1SG Patrick Burke made Jul 7 at 2016 11:35 PM

1SG Patrick Burke — Thu, 07 Jul 2016 23:35:16 -0400

The unit does not pay for NCOES courses, MTSA funds are used or I may be wrong. Per TRADOC PAM 350-70-9:

MTSA funds are to be used to fund per diem and travel expenses incurred in conjunction with specific Army training and education. HQ TRADOC, DCS, G-3/5/7 is the proponent for these funds and establishes the policy for courses that are authorized funding. That policy follows:
(1) MTSA funds are available for TDY travel and per diem costs for AA Soldiers to attend mandatory and selected duty position-required training and education in conjunction with a PCS (TDY enroute), or in a TDY and return status, only for the courses listed below:
(a) NCOES. This includes Warrior Leader Course, Advanced Leaders Course, technical courses conducted at the proponent school and TASS battalion locations, and Senior Leaders Course.

In addition, SSGs are priority for ALC, followed by SGT (P), then SGTs.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 6:55 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 06:55:45 -0400

1SG Patrick Blue's answer should help you, but additionally, it's all about how your DTS (Defense Travel System) Operator routes the approval process. DTS in a sense, the military's version of Expedia to book lodging, transportation and other incurred Costs during business travel, only difference is DTS allows the routing of who funds those costs... Yes typically when a unit sends soldiers to training they would have to use their units LOA (Line of Accounting) to pay for all of the incurred costs, however as 1SG mentioned, NCOES is MTSA (Military Training Specifc Allotment) funded, in fewer words.. Big army pays for it, not the unit. It is alarming how much those put in the position to run DTS do not know the difference between LOAs or cross organization funding codes... etc. Also most units S-3s schools sections (traditionally) run DTS for schools, however it is on the traveler/soldier to initiate a authorization/itinerary of all of the proposed costs, get in the JFTR (Joint Federal Travel Regulation) to see what is and isn't covered in your travel, could be the difference between you being authorized a rental car for your trip versus taking your POV and being reimbursed for mileage.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2016 1:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 10 Jul 2016 13:51:27 -0400

How close is close may I ask? The unit doesn't pay for that and are you not hitting the OML via STEP? Also, depending on where you are even though it's not always encouraged you can attempt to walk on just in case someone is a NO SHOW.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2016 5:24 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 08 Oct 2016 05:24:40 -0400

Unit funds don't pay for ALC.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 12:03 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 12:03:00 -0400

Depending on the school and if it is TDY enroute or TDY and return determines who is paying. You will gave to get with your BDE DTS NCOIC and they will/should have A list of all FY17 ATRRS classes that are MTSA funded. If the course isn't on the list then the unit pays for the per diem for that course.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2016 1:23 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 30 Oct 2016 13:23:09 -0400

If your unit is using that as an excuse then they are full of it; could be they don't want to send whoever they are saying that to in order for them to keep the spot open for someone else.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2017 3:46 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:46:52 -0500

NCOES is not paid by the unit when I attended ALC the SGL's explained this to us.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 15 at 2018 3:59 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 15 Jul 2018 15:59:17 -0400

Are you active duty?