What will happen next in Israel? How will it end?

SSG Carlos Madden — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 12:20:02 -0400

There are a lot of possible outcomes but from your personal perspective, what will the new status quo look like for Israel and the world in 2024?

Response by COL Randall C. made Oct 13 at 2023 1:45 PM

COL Randall C. — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 13:45:54 -0400

Very few people doubt that it is going to escalate before the possibility of de-escalation would even be considered by Israel. With a death toll on Israel's side going north of 1,300 currently, my view is that Israel isn't going to stop until the long-term threat is removed, and in their eyes, that is the removal of Hamas completely ("defeat them to death").

Anyone that has a view that they will go back to a status-quo is gravely mistaken.

How far will Israel go in attaining this goal? Right now the view is 'utter annihilation'. Depending how this next stage goes, will determine that.

I believe that after the Hamas attacks, Israel is at the point of "If you're not with us, you're against us" and if international support turned to condemnation (they likely could care less about the negative comments from the Muslim world and the UN .. they're probably used to it by now), it likely won't have any impact to future courses of actions for them.

If other countries get involved and start splitting Israel's forces - that could have an impact depending on how much it causes resources to be reallocated to meet the other threat. Unless there is a determined ground incursion to Israel, there probably won't be one.

From the statements of support coming out of this administration and (most) politicians on both sides of the aisle, the United States is backing Israel in "doing what they got to do" against Hamas. Will that support still be there if there are thousands (tens of thousands?) of civilians deaths? Time will tell.

As the great master of strategy and scholar of the human mind, Charlie Chaplain, said, "Words are cheap. The biggest thing you can say is 'elephant'".

Response by Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin made Oct 13 at 2023 4:54 PM

Maj Kevin "Mac" McLaughlin — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 16:54:46 -0400

It's hard to say with all the reports coming from the UN and Muslim communities asking for de-escalation or making claims Israel is committing war crimes. It's all BS, but I hope Israel does their best to at the minimum, marginalize Hamas and any other terror faction promoting an end to the state of Israel and its people. It needs to end. Move into Gaza, locate destroy as many weapons caches, factories, etc as possible. They should also be seeking out, mapping, and even destroying the underground tunnel networks too. It's going to suck for the Palestinians, but I don't feel bad for them when they harbor, promote, and applaud the factions and their techniques. They need to make an effort to clean house too.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2023 8:59 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Oct 2023 20:59:57 -0400

Must likely, Israel will hit back hard like they have always done. Eventually, a new peace deal will come about. This will give Hamas and Hezbollah time to regroup and resupply. Then they will attack again. It is an endless cycle.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Oct 14 at 2023 12:18 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 00:18:11 -0400

Lots of dead people

Response by COL Dan Ruder made Oct 14 at 2023 11:47 PM

COL Dan Ruder — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 23:47:33 -0400

Israel has long been in an ongoing state of existential threat, threatened by surrounding states and actors trying to deny Israel their right to sovereignty. Does anyone think Israel desires a return to this type of status quo that leaves their future generations even less secure against determined enemies? A path of fear and at the mercy of existential threats? That's not the message they're sending--they are going to fight for their future generations. It's anyone's guess at how un-pretty this is going to be.

Response by Maj Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2023 8:52 AM

Maj Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 19 Oct 2023 08:52:04 -0400

There is no doubt that Israel will strike back; however, I believe that Israel has the same problem that the US had in Vietnam - but worse. In Vietnam we couldn't isolate the enemy and the Vietcong were not apposed to sacrificing any and all to avoid being identified. We have already seen that Hamas plays by the same set of rules as the Vietcong, and it is in question that they(Hamas) will, without hesitation, set up headquarters, caches, and weapons of war in hospitals, orphanages, schools, and religious locations as a means to avoid being attacked. This means it is going to get ugly fast since there is no such thing as a proportional response. I believe Israel is going in with or without support from other nations and I also believe that Iran may try and support Hamas but will be getting pressure from China and Russia to stay out. The linchpin to how bad it gets rests on Iran, if they assist escalation increases quickly and in order to avoid that situation, I hope that Israel retaliates with the same proportion response as the US with the Korean axe murder incident of August 1976. Something worth looking up but needless to say the response was both effective, abundant, and overly proportional.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Nov 5 at 2023 7:54 PM

SFC Kevin Childers — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 19:54:17 -0500

There is no good end to this.
Hamas has chosen to pull the house down upon not only themselves, but upon all Palestinians.
The have become the Götterdämmerung Commando of their nation.