When, Not If, Will We See Open Transgender Military Service?

PO1 Autumn Sandeen — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:19:53 -0500

On November 23, 2014, the Palm Center released a statement entitled "Military Services Have Failed To Comply With New Defense Department Rules On Transgender Personnel."

http://www.palmcenter.org/files/services%20out%20of%20compliance%20memo.pdf

This followed a report from last March where former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders led a group that concluded there were no sound medical reasons why transgender people couldn't serve in the military services. It also followed an August report outlining a blueprint for how transgender people can be integrated into the military services - integrated much in the same way as 18 of our allies have already accomplished within their military services.

Military Times covered release of this latest report by the Palm Center. "A change to a Pentagon personnel policy three months ago loosens the rules barring transgender troops from serving in the U.S. military," stated the Army and Navy Times in their article entitled Report: Loophole could allow transgender troops to serve under new DoD policy, "giving the individual services leeway to retain these personnel." The article further stated, "The update -- to Defense Department Instruction 1332.18, Disability Evaluation System -- provides a loophole for the services to let transgender troops serve instead of requiring administrative separation, the Palm Center says."

The same socially conservative religious organizations that argued against repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) such as the Center for Military Readiness, the Center for Security Policy, and the Family Research Council, are using almost identical arguments. In the end, those arguments didn't work and DADT was repealed.

DADT was a federal law passed in 1993 that barred lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) service members from serving openly in the military services, and the law needed repeal before LGB service members could serve openly in recent years. All that bars transgender people from serving openly now is the DoD and individual service regulations. And, it appears that the overarching DoD regulation was weakened last August so that the four DoD military services could change their rules now to allow open transgender service.

The military didn't implode when LGB service members could serve openly in the American military services; the military won't implode if – or when - transgender service members can serve openly in the American military services. Honestly, does anybody currently serving in the military, who has given more than a moment's thought to this, really believe there won't come a point in the next five years or so where transgender service members are serving openly? I think most people who've put some thought into this know that it's not a question of whether America will have openly transgender service members at some point, but rather a question of when we'll have it.

So with that in mind, do you agree it's a question of "when" and not "if"? And if you agree it's a "when," how soon do you believe we'll see open transgender military service?

Response by Sgt Alex Bane made Jan 26 at 2015 12:40 PM

Sgt Alex Bane — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:40:36 -0500

I thought that veterans preferred to be recognized, because of their heroic actions not because of their sexual preference or identity. I personally do not care about a persons sex life, but if you must remind me over and over then I guess is all that I will remember about you. I assuming the argument is rater or not taxpayer money should be spent on sex change operations for service members. Is it basic and essential to military efficiency or is it a cosmetic operation.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jan 26 at 2015 1:15 PM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:15:13 -0500

It's a matter of policy, and "accommodation."

What accommodations will be granted, and how will policy reflect it.

That's really it.

The military will most likely say "birth gender" is all that matters for "regulatory standards" such as Physical Fitness, Grooming, and Uniform Guidelines. Once that is established, it doesn't matter.

Now that said, requests for additional accommodations, like longer hair, or earrings or modified weight standards, or PT standards, are where things are going to get weird.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2015 2:52 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:52:48 -0500

To me the bottom line is that if this does happen it will be 10 to 20 years down the road based on how slow thoughts, policy, public opinion and the operational environment (culturally speaking) change. Ever one is has posted some valid roadblocks that would keep Transgender Soldiers from serving openly and there are many more out there which need to be taken into consideration. PO1 Seadeen, you are correct in your evaluation that the military didn't imploded when DADT was repealed and the services where prepared to handle openly gay service members to serve because all of us knew people who were. However, the services were not ready to handle all the questions, policy changes that might need to take place, how to handle situation where same sex marriages erode and the member is unable to get a divorce. I could go on and on, but let be honest the military is not ready for it and it's an issue that doesn't not need to be forced at this time.

Response by SPC Larry Buck made Jan 27 at 2015 3:16 PM

SPC Larry Buck — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:16:09 -0500

Well I'll say this, remember what Vice President Biden said about just gay and lesbian soldiers, who cares so long as they can shoot!!! Not exact wording, but Mr Vice President speaks his own way!

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 3:16 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:16:58 -0500

WHEN, not IF, men and women choose to identify as a service member, PERIOD, is when I will happily accept whomever volunteers. Identifying as an "L or G or B or T service member" is just a grand-standing, sociopolitical statement. In those cases, they are there for the wrong reason.

Response by PO2 Lester Sullivan made Jan 27 at 2015 4:36 PM

PO2 Lester Sullivan — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:36:16 -0500

WELL, Vlad & Islam want to kill them, so they might want to defend their right to live

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 4:42 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:42:44 -0500

I'm gonna say 'when' not if, but I would highly disagree with a policy that would medically favor one SM over another. If Transgendered SMs are going to want the Army to pay full boat, for all the medical care (physical and mental) that will be required, then I think we're gonna go broke. Other SM are going to want elective surgeries because after all its the fair thing to do.

I foresee that once that starts happening, there will be an influx of SMs who are fine at MEPS and then suddenly are going through a gender identity crisis once initial entry training is done.

I have served with many LGB SM over the 20 years of my affiliation with the Army, and the last 13 years of service. There is a huge difference between those who identify as LGB and those who identity as transgendered- it's mostly monetary, but there is nothing I have to do with my gay johnies at a platoon level. I just have to make sure they're trained to do the job. Not sure it will be that way if I ever get transgendered johhnies.

But hey, as long as they don't have tattoos...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 5:58 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 17:58:44 -0500

BLUF: you have to ask yourself how bad do you want to serve your country before you get in the military. What good are you to me as the combat commander in the ground, if what you want to do takes you out of the fight for 6 to 12 months. The answer is you're not any good to me. I need soldiers on the line that are fit to fight. Be fit to fight when you get there. If that means paying for your own gender reassignment surgery before you enter the military, then that's what that means.

Response by 2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2015 11:19 PM

2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:19:38 -0500

If you want to be a man, be one. If you want to be a woman, then go ahead. Its not my business to have a say in what you want to do with the one body you were given. But the government shouldn't have to deal with 'wants'. I'm not trying to say that transgenders are less human, but I simply don't understand how everyone is expected to see this as a necessary surgery.

If being transgender gets in the way of your duties then you should't be in the military.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 12:52 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 00:52:20 -0500

hopefully never. Transgender and homosexuals are not mentally stable other wise they would not even question their gender to which they were born

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 4:10 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 04:10:22 -0500

Inherently, there are several practical issues with this. Personally, if someone is willing and able to excel and serve, then let's go. However, if we're supposed to respect everyone's rights, that includes the folks who for personal or religious reasons do not agree with those lifestyle choices. It's a double edged sword. And financially, it's out of the question to build separate facilities, especially for what would probably be a small set of folks. There is not a right answer to this yet, but calling them nasty names or saying you wouldn't serve any more will not solve it. Discrimination is not the answer, but neither is forcing something on folks who do not believe/accept it.

Response by SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham made Jan 28 at 2015 1:04 PM

SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:04:49 -0500

I am sure it's "when" since EO requires it, but it really shouldn't matter. If you can serve, serve! If you wanna bring attention to your gender (or reassignment thereof), it becomes an issue. Gender comes from DNA (building blocks of WHAT you are). Choosing to change that is like any other choice you make... some folks will disagree (either not understanding or not caring for your reason). Being an LGBT service member is like saying we have a Black President. The adjective in front of the noun has nothing to do with their station or duties.
I, personally, disagree (at this time) to push the transgender issue in the service, but I am only one man and entitled to my own opinion. When in UNIFORM, we are required to act in a UNIFORM manner. As we continue to allow for "differences" the UCMJ and other guidance doctrines and manuals become more and more difficult to enforce. It took time to accept other races/ethnicity, it will take time for ANY new change.

Response by PO2 Lester Sullivan made Jan 28 at 2015 2:36 PM

PO2 Lester Sullivan — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 14:36:07 -0500

Well, I'll just put it this way: Let them serve on a different ship, platoon or whatever, because there will always be those who will say,"HFN!" If it don't bother you, then defend each other from common enemy, who wants you head because of being an infidel, American, or not 1 of them:( Evil is Evil, and they'd rather slaughter us separately than united! I'd rather fight/die alongside those fighting for there lives. War is coming, so how will you choose?

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2015 7:29 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 19:29:31 -0500

Is anyone aware there is a Mental disorder that can accompany this desire to have a sex change?

Gender Dysphoria formerly known as Gender Identity Disorder.

ARTICLE: When You Don't Feel At Home With Your Gender

Undiagnosed or Untreated Gender Dysphoria

People who have gender dysphoria feel strongly that they are not the gender they physically appear to be.

For example, a person who has a penis and all other physical traits of a male might feel instead that he is actually a female. That person would have an intense desire to have a female body and to be accepted by others as a female. Or, someone with the physical characteristics of a female would feel her true identity is male.

Feeling that your body does not reflect your true gender can cause severe distress, anxiety, and depression. "Dysphoria" is a feeling of dissatisfaction, anxiety, and restlessness. With gender dysphoria, the discomfort with your male or female body can be so intense that it can interfere with the way you function in normal life, for instance at school or work or during social activities.

Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.

The condition has also been called “transsexualism.” But this term is outdated. Some consider it offensive. Now “transgender” is often used to describe someone who feels his or her body and gender do not match.

Gender nonconforming (GNC) is a broader term that can include people with gender dysphoria. But it can also describe people who feel that they are neither only male or only female. Informally, people who identify with both genders or with neither gender might call themselves "genderqueer."

Gender dysphoria is not homosexuality. Your internal sense of your gender is not the same as your sexual orientation.

In teens and adults, symptoms may include:

•Certainty that their true gender is not aligned with their body.
•Disgust with their genitals. They may avoid showering, changing clothes, or having sex in order to avoid seeing or touching their genitals.
•Strong desire to be rid of their genitals and other sex traits.

Undiagnosed or Untreated Gender Dysphoria

Diagnosis and treatment are important. People with gender dysphoria have higher rates of mental health conditions. Some estimates say that 71% of people with gender dysphoria will have some other mental health diagnosis in their lifetime. That includes mood disorders, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, depression, substance abuse, eating disorders, and suicide attempts.

Treatment?

The goal is not to change how the person feels about his or her gender. Instead, the goal is to deal with the distress that may come with those feelings.

Talking with a psychologist or psychiatrist is part of any treatment for gender dysphoria. "Talk" therapy is one way to address the mental health issues that this condition can cause.

Beyond talk therapy, many people choose to take at least some steps to bring their physical appearance in line with how they feel inside. They might change the way they dress or go by a different name. They may also take medicine or have surgery to change their appearance. Possible treatments include:
• Puberty blockers -- A young person in early puberty with gender dysphoria might ask to be prescribed hormones (testosterone or estrogen) that would suppress physical changes. Before making that decision, the young person should talk with a pediatrician and sometimes a psychiatrist about the pros and cons of taking these hormones, especially at a young age.
• Hormones – Teens or adults may take the hormones estrogen or testosterone to develop traits of the sex that they identify with.
• Surgery – Some people choose to have complete sex-reassignment surgery. This used to be called a sex-change operation. But not everyone does. People may choose to have only some procedures done in order to bring their looks more in line with their feelings.

With their therapists, people choose the treatment that is right for them based on what they want and what they already look like.

After transitioning, a person may no longer feel dysphoria. But the person may still need therapy. Friends, family, co-workers, potential employers, and religious groups can sometimes have a hard time understanding when someone’s gender appears to change. This and other challenges of transitioning can call for professional help.

Is It Just a Phase?

One of the most common questions that parents of children with gender dysphoria ask their pediatricians is, "Is it just a phase?"

Unfortunately, there is no way to know for sure. Not all young children who feel this way do so in their teenage years or in adulthood.

So how do parents know if they should let their son carry a girls’ lunchbox or let their daughter wear boys’ clothes? Experts advise that you take the lead from your child. Let your child be who he or she is, and get help if you or your child needs it.

Some young people and even adults may have mixed feelings about their physical gender. They often find it useful to talk with a counselor before or after taking steps to become who they feel they truly are.

If gender dysphoria continues past puberty, studies show that the young person will likely continue to feel that way. For people who feel long-term that their body does not match their internal sense of gender, it is not a choice. It is a burden they didn't choose, and they need professional and social support.

With this said, it is beyond my education to bring an intellectual discussion to this forum. I have my morals in the back of my mind, and I will keep them to myself.

I think as a military service member you need to pick one, male or female, not both, and not an IT. There is no room for confusion or mental disorders. Once that is sorted out, I think it best that the service member request to be removed from service, on failure to adapt or whatever. I will hold back all other opinions.

Response by TSgt Steven Summerlin made Jan 28 at 2015 8:57 PM

TSgt Steven Summerlin — Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:57:25 -0500

Going through a transgender process is a deeply personal decision. Above all, it is a very expensive decision. Do the research. There is quite a bit of time in preparation, hormone therapies, etc. Then there is the surgery. Then a long period of recovery and perhaps more reconstructive surgery if the original has a blowout.

All of this comes at a cost. How much, I cannot say. But let's look at it from the terms of a unit alone. Multiple counseling sessions to determine that this is indeed the path the member wants to take. Multiple surgeries to effect the change.. A long convalescence period.

Afterwards comes the repercussions of individual perception. Members of the opposite sex may not be comfortable with Betty or Billy suddenly switching locker rooms. Members of the same sex may not be comfortable relating to the person who just had their plumbing changed. Yet the military will not implode once again, as I have seen argued, because each member who has a negative opinion will be threatened into silence by bad performance evals and promotion pass overs. Yeah, everyone knows how it really works. You are not entitled to an opinion unless the opinion is in line with policy. Deviate at your own risk.

Then there is still the problem of expense. I am fairly certain that if put to a majority vote, John Q. Public would not be in favor of funding sex reassignment for the military.

I can see the recruitment campaign now though... "Ever thought you were born in the wrong body? Joined the Armed Forces for a great career, education opportunities and free gender reassignment!"

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Jan 29 at 2015 7:57 AM

SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:57:19 -0500

Well its law and that's- the Bottom line with a open transgender military service-TIME NOW. Here is a chronological timeline in the military.

http://www.usni.org/news-and-features/dont-ask-dont-tell/timeline

Key Dates in US Policy on Gay Men and Women in Military Service | U.S. Naval Institute

The Mission of the Institute is to provide an independent forum for those who dare to read, think, speak, and write in order to advance the professional, literary, and scientific understanding of sea power and other issues critical to national defense.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Jan 29 at 2015 8:53 AM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:53:56 -0500

I want to downvote every single comment in this thread that quotes a bible verse or has a picture of Jesus on it. Would that be wrong? Well, I simply don't have the time anyway... Someone has spammed the thread by throwing it in my face.

At the risk of getting in the way of another colossal military social experiment, I'll keep the rest to myself.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Jan 29 at 2015 8:55 AM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:55:35 -0500

Another thing...

Which APFT standards will they go by?

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Jan 29 at 2015 9:28 AM

MSG Floyd Williams — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:28:54 -0500

Yes, it will happen soon America is an open society it is just a matter of time like everything else changing times bring on change to everything in life.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 9:47 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:47:33 -0500

Not just speaking on transgender individuals but will the Army go to one standard as far as APFT for all, and what about AR 600-9? Which body composition will be used? Will there be just one?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jan 29 at 2015 12:19 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 12:19:32 -0500

I spent too many years as a senior NCO and haven't developed the ability to argue the laws of the land, instead of ensuring that they were complied with. Among many others, my friend SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL and I had careers that followed this entire issue. In a 20 year (longer for Joe) span the DoD regulations have run a complete 180.* Times change. We need to try and keep up.

Response by SSG Leonard Johnson made Jan 29 at 2015 1:37 PM

SSG Leonard Johnson — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:37:15 -0500

hopefully never see it....service has gone to Liberal anyway

Response by SGT William Howell made Jan 29 at 2015 1:55 PM

SGT William Howell — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:55:24 -0500

Why should I care? The answer is simple....I should not and I don't. Do your job and stop advertising your sexual identity. Nobody cares!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 2:12 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:12:14 -0500

I believe that it is going to be a when question. I am absolutely onboard with the service of transgender individuals. The only issue I would forsee would be for those service members that are using medication for hormone balance. That being said, maybe we should look at mental and physical stability in a less then perfect work evironment such as long stays in the field and combat situations. I think it is still a ways off because we need these studies to evaluate true combat and service efficiency.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 3:44 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:44:32 -0500

Too many people think of policies like DADT and like policies as actions taken against LGBT individuals. they are not. DADT was not put in place because "we don't want no gays in our mili'try" but because we knew there already were LGBT individuals serving, and they were serving along side a LOT of bigots in the military at that time. we don't like to mention that, while the military strives to be an equal opportunity force, there were a LOT of people who hated homosexuals serving back then. If a homosexual service member outed themselves or was outed another way, they were liable to be the victims of violence from those bigots. DADT was the military's way of protecting LGB service members in the only way it could from the command level. We now no longer fear that, so DADT was no longer necessary. I myself was personally afraid that when DADT was repealed an openly gay service member would become a victim, effectively setting the military back 50 years on the subject. I was relieved nothing happened.

Now, when it comes to transgender individuals, I think we will, but the military likely just doesn't know HOW to deal with the unique logistical situation they think transgender service members will bring with them (which is probably an inaccurate idea, remember how we heard about different barracks and latrines/showers for gay SMs? did we see those? no, because it was a dumb idea and we didn't need them). What would speed up the process would be transgender individuals currently serving in silence writing letters (even anonymously) to high level military officers about their experience, stating that they don't have limits like they might be perceived to have, or what problems they face with reasonable solutions. If Transgender service members want to be represented and accommodated communication is the key.

Response by PO1 Donald Hammond made Jan 29 at 2015 7:07 PM

PO1 Donald Hammond — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:07:15 -0500

When, not if, will the military start paying for cosmetic surgery for anyone who wants it? Born with breasts too small? Get bigger ones. Born with the wrong nose? Get a new one. The military is obligated to pay for it.

*sarcasm emoticon*

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 29 at 2015 7:54 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:54:57 -0500

I'd just like to point out that transgender people tend to need to take hormones daily, and stocking hormones in a war zone or on a ship months away from port is an unnecessary burden. Needing daily medication tends to disqualify you from military service.

Response by CPO Terry McKenna made Jan 30 at 2015 1:16 AM

CPO Terry McKenna — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 01:16:22 -0500

Hopefully not any time too soon.

Response by CPO Terry McKenna made Jan 30 at 2015 2:00 AM

CPO Terry McKenna — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 02:00:08 -0500

I will get behind this once the military no longer discriminates against me due to my desire to copulate with baboons.

Response by SSgt Nicole Biscoe made Jan 30 at 2015 7:01 AM

SSgt Nicole Biscoe — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:01:35 -0500

I'm not going to say much about this topic this time... I'm trans and have already decided to separate and I'll be done in a few weeks. The military has been great and I'm thankful for everything that it has provided for me but it's time to move on. I do feel that this policy needs to change and transgendered people should be allowed to serve openly. You do not have to agree with it but you should at the very least have enough respect for your fellow service men and women to at least refer to them using proper pro-nouns. If you cannot do that, then it's you who shouldn't be in the military.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Jan 30 at 2015 10:26 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:26:42 -0500

Great, the Palm Center report found "Military Services Have Failed To Comply With New Defense Department Rules On Transgender Personnel." In a soon to be released report from the Sand Center, entitled: "Palm Center Has Failed Service Members and American Public with Their Political Bias and Gender Based Agenda" The report finds that the Palm Center is a bunch of hacks and no more right to comment than a random retired MSG? The Sand Center report also ask the question about why would anyone without an agend even present this information? You can make something look official, post it on the internet but that does not make it anything but a pile of...words. Military Service have NOT failed to comply with any new rules and are only following long standing medical standards.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Jan 30 at 2015 4:18 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:18:27 -0500

This is a very touchy subject matter, many will try and be PC or will not give a darn about being PC, few will say straight out what they think on this website, which may indeed be a good thing.

I will be honest; I could not imagine, not fathom and honestly my skin crawled when I thought of serving with a transgender person. All the stupid, childish thoughts and stereotypes filled my head...ALTHOUGH I never met one that I know of.

THEN I met someone who served with Kristen Beck (When he was a man; Chris Beck the SEAL) and had an open conversation with him, then I reached out to Kristen and I have to say I rarely have had so much respect and gratitude for a warrior who served our country like I do with Kristin Beck.

Watch the film "Lady Valor" if you have not yet, it paints a clear picture that it has little or nothing to do with choice.

I have the utmost respect for anyone who can face this challenge of a lifetime and I am the first to admit I have much to learn.

Steven

Response by PO1 Steven Johnson made Jan 31 at 2015 12:09 PM

PO1 Steven Johnson — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:09:26 -0500

I do not believe they should serve in the military period, only speaking from a medical perspective. I served my 20 years as a Independent Duty Hospital Corpsman. I worked on units where I provided patient care and the patients and I spoke openly about this topic. The gay, lesbian and transgender lifestyle simply does not promote good morale, especially when the style picks up HIV, Hepatitis C, body morphing, etc. One HIV patient costs the military millions of dollars, countless hours of patient care, medicines that costs an entire year's salary, etc. When one decides to live this lifestyle it has the potential to effect an entire brigade, battalion, unit and so on.

This lifestyle is all about what they want, how they feel, fair treatment, etc. Most do not thing of the larger picture. The cost to others, taxes, insurance and so on.

If one wishes to live such a lifestyle, please do so on your own dime. Others should not have to be burdened with self-serving entitlements.

Sorry, if this sounds stern but my words are witnessed facts from treating hundreds of patients.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 31 at 2015 6:23 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:23:30 -0500

In professional sports we are already seeing trans women competitors. The sports world was hit with the transexual juggernaut several decades ago with Dr Renee Richards who had been a male surgeon and amateur tennis player. Richards was allowed to play in women's tennis.
Will trans "women" be held to female standards in PT? I've heard troops gripe about how different PT standards resulted in women getting more points for their E5 board and thus getting promoted in advance of the (often pudgy) gripers.

Just little bit of a hard time understanding the whole "openly transexual" verbiage. Why would you want to be open about it? Esp to folks who may not have known you in your prior life? Perhaps we can and will admit trannies in but require them to conduct themselves only as the gender they now claim. Since I think fewer and fewer installations have the notorious "gang showers" of Ft Ord or DLI it is likely going to be easier for trans troopers to come in via MEPS. However I still would recommend that those desiring gender reassignment not enter the military in the first place or else they would have to ETS to get it done to them.

Response by SPC John Decker made Feb 1 at 2015 7:57 AM

SPC John Decker — Sun, 01 Feb 2015 07:57:41 -0500

It seems to me that all of the various labels they are assigning to people, ie: African American, Gay, Transgender, Christian, Jew, Muslim. and any other you can think of, is just another way for THEM to divide us. I realize I'm not answering the question but, does anybody think we can advance as a species if we keep allowing the powers that be, divide and separate us from each other?

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 5 at 2015 1:02 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:02:28 -0500

Hopefully, never.

Response by PO1 William Kearnes made Feb 6 at 2015 11:54 AM

PO1 William Kearnes — Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:54:10 -0500

Not part of my Military!

Response by SSG Willis Baker made Feb 7 at 2015 2:12 AM

SSG Willis Baker — Sat, 07 Feb 2015 02:12:29 -0500

Just like anything else, if this gets implemented, the process will take about five to ten years to iron itself out with many changes to policies and procedures throughout that period. During that period we will need to determine if this has been good for the Military or a real bad idea.
For me, I don't like the idea but I am not a decision maker. Just as long as these soldiers are identified by their Name and SSN, not their gender. I don't want the media spending a whole day of news time talking about the the first Transgender to be killed in action and everyone else gets no coverage at all.

Response by MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 12:29 AM

MAJ(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 00:29:32 -0500

I don't believe it is a tolerance issue. It's a privacy right issue for those who are not. For once, the majority might be the ones thought of here.

It would be a logistical nightmare. Will women care if a man who wants to be a woman share their locker room? Maybe, maybe not. But, who decides? That's merely one small aspect.

Will the woman who was born a man going to get the same APFT standards as the women? Higher PT scores are a promotional advantage over your peers. Regardless of genitalia, men are born and built differently. That's why the standards are different. What about the man born a woman? Will "she" have to adhere to the harder physical standards? Is she going to be allowed to take testosterone treatments? Is that fair to the rest of us?

If it is about equality, it better be about that and that alone. No asterisk standards.

What about the Service Members who will sickly take advantage of situation. How do you mitigate the perverts who "decide" to change their sexual identity for the wrong reasons?

It's a can of worms that might not be best suited open during a time of a decreasing military forces strength. I understand the arguments in both directions. I'm just not sure if the tolerance is worth it at this point.

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Feb 13 at 2015 7:19 PM

SSG Kevin McCulley — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:19:01 -0500

Any physical condition that requires constant medication is incompatible with military service.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 7:31 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:31:03 -0500

My opinion on this as long as they do their job I don't care. This will happen at some point...the military shouldn't be a social experiment but it kind of is. We've been breaking barriers down for years showing the world that what was thought to be impossible is possible. Will it be possibly awkward at times yes...but most things are as ackward as we make them to be.
Now do I want to pay for someone to get it done...Nope. I don't want to pay for physically and mentally able people to be on food stamps and welfare either because it's easier than finding a job....but I do. It's a can of worms that once opened we'd be best ready to handle. Embrace the idea is the only way to go

Response by SSG Kevin McCulley made Feb 13 at 2015 7:43 PM

SSG Kevin McCulley — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:43:07 -0500

Firstly, by the explanations I have been given, being trans is a medical issue not a sexual orientation so that entire message was a false equivalency. I think it goes without saying they cannot transition while in the service right? Should we pay a soldier to be on active duty and non deployable for x number years? I also point out that 18 other countries don't have the most powerful fighting force on the planet. Other 'states' burn people in cages. Should we?

I was also a medic. I have concerns for an Infantryman in austere conditions that needs constant hormone medication on an extended 'oh shite conventional WWIII' situation. Regardless of the situation's probability, someone's self esteem is not worth national security.

Let's take your message as read for a moment, I'll also point out that I'm a gay soldier and I think that was a far less complicated issue anyway. Besides during DADT, I was a god damned proud line medic and that identity was an order of magnitude more important to me than the gay identity.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 13 at 2015 9:01 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:01:06 -0500

I don't care what your sexuality is. I don't care what your politics are. I don't care what religion you practice. I don't want people shoving all of it in my face all the time. Hi!, I'm Mark and I am a republican, heterosexual Christian. Hi! I'm Mark and I am a republican, heterosexual Christian. Hi! I'm Mark and I am a republican, heterosexual, Christian. Good for me. Good for you. Hi! I'm Mark and I am a proud American service member. One team...one fight!, but quit ramming all your individuality down my throat. Be proud of being an American where you are free. Now pick up your weapon and follow me!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 9:27 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:27:37 -0500

Where is the stone honoring all the heterosexual veterans killed in action?

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 10:14 PM

PVT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 13 Feb 2015 22:14:38 -0500

One of the first things I learned on the first day from my Sgt was that it doesn't matter man or women, gay or straight, or any color skin. In the army we're all green. I have their back they have mine. So as long as that person is capable of doing the job and having your back then it doesn't matter. So to me I don't care what anyone identifies as as long as they have my back that's all I care about. However I do have the question of what happens if someone were to enter the military identifying as a man but changes to women later. In the army the mos 11b is not open to women would they be required to reclass or what would they do? Just curious for situations like that

Response by SGT Francis Wright made Feb 14 at 2015 12:39 AM

SGT Francis Wright — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:39:53 -0500

Look the point should be that one serves a purpose bigger than yourself. For the greater good. One does not serve to make a statement "look at me, look at what I am and what I did". Serve to make a difference, not to make a statement.

Response by SGT Christen Newell made Feb 14 at 2015 12:43 AM

SGT Christen Newell — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 00:43:14 -0500

I hope that we don't fall down this slippery slope. Why do the need to be recognized beyond who they are.......a soldier. Not a gay soldier, not a lesbian soldier, not a straight soldier, but just a proud member of the armed forces of which they served.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2015 5:56 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 05:56:03 -0500

While I believe it will, and should, happen, I think it is a logistical nightmare with lots of things to figure out and I hope that those things get figured out before the flood gates get opened. I think the easiest solution is PT standards of your birth gender or having one standard all must meet regardless of gender, grooming standards of your new gender, and a third restroom and shower designated for Transgender service members.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Feb 14 at 2015 12:44 PM

COL Ted Mc — Sat, 14 Feb 2015 12:44:43 -0500

My immediate reaction to the graphic is that there are about five words too many on the marker.

Either the words "gay", "Lesbian", "bisexual", "and", and "transgender" are all surplus or the word "straight" should have been included.

PS - The 'approved' acronym is now "GLBTQ"

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 15 at 2015 3:20 AM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 03:20:07 -0500

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Response by SFC Doug Lee made Feb 15 at 2015 4:38 PM

SFC Doug Lee — Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:38:06 -0500

never, please.

Response by MSG Greg Kelly made Feb 16 at 2015 7:43 PM

MSG Greg Kelly — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 19:43:28 -0500

I do not for the life of me understand why this is an issue. When a Vet dies are we going to start putting on the head stones here lies Joe Tent Peg Winner of the Silver Star he was gay or transgender. Why does it matter? The people making an issues out of this seem to be the folks that fall into the categories of the topic. Throughout my career I never once just voleentered or ran around telling my fellow soldiers I was married. If asked I answered and I never told my soldiers what my wife I did in the privacy of our bedroom that is and was personal information. So why is the sexuality or personal lives of military personnel such in issue now? As long as you did/do your job and kept your personal life personal nobody really cared then or now. Or is this another case of the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And people are trying to force their beliefs and agenda on everyone else? If that is the case those of you doing this are wrong, you cannot force people to except you and your life style. Just like America is free for you to be whom and what you are others are free to not like you for it. Forcing others against their will are the very reasons many people join the military, to fight for the weak and stand for freedom against tyranny. It’s the same issue with the White House trying to stop Christian military personnel from being able to pray so how is one right and the other wrong. How is it right for a homeless American Vet to be shot in the back by police or vets to be on the street hungry and our government turns a blind eye. But man when it comes to sexual beliefs, lifestyle, anti Christian, pro Muslim, allow your children to run wild because discipline is wrong unless it’s from the government. And we the government know what is best for you because you’re too stupid to run your lives. These things are ok but saying the pledge is wrong? What has happened to common sense and courtesy? Have people in the military become so hung up on themselves and selfish they have forget common good or have the people joining military forgotten they have to sacrifice to serve.

Response by PFC Shawn Corey made Feb 16 at 2015 11:12 PM

PFC Shawn Corey — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:12:10 -0500

The military is no place for social experimentation.

Response by SPC Emerson Budreau made Feb 17 at 2015 3:01 AM

SPC Emerson Budreau — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:01:50 -0500

I remember in a group climate discussion we had at unit level on homosexuals serving, an individual made the statement, "I don't want to have to share showers with (homosexuals)." I had the rebuttle, "So are we going to make them have separate drinking fountains, as well?"

Understand, I am an individual that just weighs in on the conservative side between the two primary parties (and usually only show my republican side), this took some people by surprise.

I don't care if you're a homosexual, I don't care if you're a Muslim. I only care if you're an American fighting for American principles such as freedom.

With that being said, not all share my view, and I believe this should be heavily introduced to TRADOC units, by outstanding leaders who are homosexual/transgender or an uncommon religion. This way we introduce incoming soldiers to these new standards we are to introduce into the Military.

Again I will say, with that being said, that is an in due time situation. Obviously regulations do need to be put into place.

How do leaders address a soldier that intends to DX their gender?

What avenues do SMs have to take for this transition?

I will say duty takes precedence. We as soldiers have agreed to put duty above ourselves, our wants, etc

One day I hope we have a fighting force that equally represents every single American's walk of life, we aren't there yet, and it's not going to be a successful overnight change. We need acclimation to make this work properly. Not force.

Response by MSgt Marvin Shockey made Feb 17 at 2015 12:13 PM

MSgt Marvin Shockey — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:13:11 -0500

I don't believe this is a military question, possibly posted by a small heavily vocal minority. Serving admirably has nothing to do with who you have sex with.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 4:30 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:30:58 -0500

You know, being in the service for over 17 plus years I dont think it should matter. If you want to serve, then serve. Can we has a society stop placing priorities on a persons sexuality, or sexual preference and start concentrating on all of our security's as a country.

Response by CSM Michael Lynch made Feb 17 at 2015 4:47 PM

CSM Michael Lynch — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:47:29 -0500

SFC Mark Merino This tells you it is come sooner than you think.

Army eases policy on transgender soldiers

The decision to discharge transgender soldiers from the Army now has to be made by a top, senior civilian official, documents obtained by USA TODAY show, a move that will make it more difficult to remove such troops from the service.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2015 6:30 PM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:30:39 -0500

I think it'll be soon. There was just a successful lawsuit to allow some Transgender veterans to change their paperwork post service to reflect their actual names.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2015 6:48 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:48:20 -0500

My understanding is that only about 1 in 300 Americans is transgender. If we then remove from the pool of potential applicants all those who believe they may need surgical alteration, are in the process of making that change or who are recovering from having made that change... we are probably down to 1 in 500. If 1 in 500 of the people eligible to enter the military are Transgender, and manage to join up... I fail to see how most people are going to see any big changes, even after the change has taken place.

I can see how it's a a huge deal if your transgender... I don't see why anyone things this will have a big impact on the services.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Mar 11 at 2015 1:53 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:53:12 -0400

I agree that it will happen but its going to take longer than a few years. While I think that most people can readily accept gays, lesbians, and bisexuals its harder to accept a transgendered person.
Its also going to be a problem of using the bathrooms and showers because some people just wont be comfortable sharing the facilities with someone claiming to be the opposite sex of what they physically are. This will cause a lot of problems, especially onboard ships underway because the heads on ships are designed for males and females.
The Navy will adjust the same as they did when women started to regularly serve on ships, designating berthings and head facilities for transgendered, but it will have growing pains.
It took me a lot of years to accept gays and lesbians because of how I was raised. I knew that while I served on various ships that I was serving beside homosexuals but they kept it quiet and did their jobs.
I probably one day will accept transgendered people but right now I cannot honestly accept them as readily as I do all other people.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Apr 3 at 2015 12:12 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:12:56 -0400

We're seeing it, we're just not labeling it. Thank you for your service is all that is needed.

Thank you for your service as a (your gender preference here) veteran, thank you for your service as a (your race here) veteran, thank you for your service as a (your religion here) veteran - ABSOLUTELY NOT!

If a group still needs or wants to be labeled, then they are imposing their own separation and discrimination from the mainstream and are IMHO causing more harm to their situation.

Response by SGT Gabriel Brown made Apr 3 at 2015 12:45 PM

SGT Gabriel Brown — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 12:45:36 -0400

This is ridiculous. If you were born a man and you want to serve it should be as a man. Same in reverse. You want to be a woman when you were a man and vice versa? Do it on your own time after you get out. To serve is to sacrifice, to invlude your "personal" crap. Problem solved.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Apr 3 at 2015 5:23 PM

SGT Rick Ash — Fri, 03 Apr 2015 17:23:19 -0400

I have to wonder about the relevance of LGBT wanting to remove the "T" and let it stand alone on its' own definition. The following link is from the UK but if you are really interested in understanding their thought process it's pure gold. (I like it because even the posts that are banned are still mainly visible ) http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.354043-Transexuality-needs-to-be-removed-from-LGBT

I am seeing the same sentiment in the U.S. Though I don't understand any of the groups mentality I am really confused as to why the Transgender group wants to be separate from the LGB Group.

NOTE: I don't know why I am even posting this except it seems to a topic of great interest.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 12:40 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 00:40:24 -0400

I think they're planning on arguing the regulations and military perception in Nevuary. I think the military has wasted enough time, money, and resources as it is. No one cares what anyone else does in their personal time as long as they perform well at their job. On the other hand, all the Soldiers dedicating their careers to fishing out whamburgers and French cries are distracting the force, the leadership, and the mission for completely non mission relevant reasons. No one cares. Transgender or gay, keep your personal sex life to yourself like everyone else does and complete your mission. My personal opinion anyways. The military has spent a ridiculous amount of money on this, testing camo for years, and several other cosmetic issues. If we are in a budget crisis, I don't understand why we are still focusing so much of our attention and resources on these things.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 6:55 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 06:55:26 -0400

Honestly I don't care when?! The way I see it, is the same way I feel about homosexuals or women in combat arms.
You meet the standards, you do your job no issus from my side. On the other hand, sexchanes for service members, I'm not sure if I fully agree on that. It's a very expensive and long procedure, I would maybe say after like 10 years of service but not coming in the service and then year later getting it.

Other than that, I couldn't care less what you wear in your freetime or who you have sex with.

Response by PV2 Violet Case made Apr 4 at 2015 1:41 PM

PV2 Violet Case — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:41:09 -0400

I do not believe that he military should pay for the surgery it is cosmetic. When I wanted my teeth done in a porcelain bridge it was a cosmetic surgery and I had to pay for it myself. So when we choose to have something done that is not actually for the purpose of our health in life or death. The I did agree that the cosmetic for my teeth by of my own. My other bridge was discolored and up where it joined the gum was hurting and needing fixed. But I wanted it replaced my way so I had to pay. I do not regret it at all. Because to me to have a better smile and less problems was better in my book. And now years later found that putting that silver or what it was in your fillings ang teeth were unhealthy so am even more happy I did it my way if tho I had to pay. And each person has their views and beliefs in life but I try to go by judge not that thy be judged.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 4:55 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:55:33 -0400

The really funny thing is how will the army will tackle the problem of how to administer PT tests to such soldiers. As they differ only because of biology differances rather than what said soldier identifies as.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 4 at 2015 6:32 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:32:19 -0400

The simple fact that this discussion is a real thing makes all the "real" servicemen mourn.

Response by CW4 Larry Curtis made Apr 5 at 2015 4:51 AM

CW4 Larry Curtis — Sun, 05 Apr 2015 04:51:55 -0400

All of this happy horse pucky started with the advent of Don't Ask, Don't Tell. Call me a homophobic bigot if you must (I could care less because I certainly have no fear over homosexuals and if you want to be stupid enough to redefine the word phobia that's your bag), but I'm old school on this issue. I'm sick to death of our military being used as a platform for social experimentation. Granted, there has been at least one which has proven to be very successful and beneficial to everyone, which would be racial integration, but this LGBT stuff cannot touch racism. Personal preference regarding one's sexuality is grossly misplaced when it becomes such a major talking point for acceptability in the military ranks, especially when the military is being used as a springboard of sorts. What you do and who you choose to do it with in your off-duty time is strictly your business and I care nothing about hearing about it...so get out of my face with it. The trans-gender thing only adds another neon sign to the matter. If you feel you need to have your plumbing re-worked, that is your problem and nobody else's, but if you cannot be happy with the natural identity you were born with, that used to be considered a sign of extreme psychological issues which there is really no place for in the military fighting force. If you are THAT unstable, I don't want the military to allow you to sling arms with a rifle or carry a side arm because you are freakin' out of your mind.

Sorry if that offends you and hurts your feelings and you now think I'm a hateful nutcase for my opinion on the matter...but hey, last time I checked this was still the land of the free and the home of the brave where we are allowed to freely express our views and opinions without impunity. You've been expressing YOURS quite loud and clear and I happen to be in disagreement with much of what you have to say on the subject and I'm sick of hearing about it while not feeling at liberty to speak-out due to this garbage commonly referred to as Political Correctness...and so I've said my piece, so it is now up to you to just deal with it because it is my right. HOOOAAAHHH!!!

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Apr 10 at 2015 5:58 AM

GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 05:58:09 -0400

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/transgender-in-the-military-a-pentagon-in-transition-weighs-its-policy/2015/04/09/ee0ca39e-cf0d-11e4-8c54-ffb5ba6f2f69_story.html?tid=HP_more?tid=HP_more

Transgender in the military: A Pentagon in transition weighs its policy

Sgt. Shane Ortega enlisted as a woman. He now identifies as a man. Rules call for him to be discharged. But he expects to resume his full duties soon.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Apr 10 at 2015 6:09 AM

PO1 John Miller — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 06:09:22 -0400

So how would the military regulate it? If a biological male identifies as female, would he be issued women's uniforms, have to comply with female PT standards, grooming standards, and duty restrictions? Same goes for biological females who identify as male.

Or can they decide day by day what gender they're going to "be?"

This needs a lot of study and research done before it can be safely implemented. I for one am glad I am retired and won't have to deal with this. I can already see the headaches it's going to cause.

Response by MSgt Manuel Diaz made Apr 10 at 2015 12:04 PM

MSgt Manuel Diaz — Fri, 10 Apr 2015 12:04:15 -0400

Does that mean the military will issue combat high heels, dresses and skirts for transgender and bring back feathered hats and helmets ..... or uniforms like the the three musketeers?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 15 at 2015 11:00 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 15 Apr 2015 23:00:33 -0400

The only reason it's talked about is because it has been used for generations as the basis to discriminate against people. Want to stop seeing it all the time, stop discrimination based on religious or lifestyle choices.

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Apr 16 at 2015 10:43 AM

MSG Brad Sand — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:43:03 -0400

BOOOOOO. I say boo to this whole question being floated again but here is the actual answer, here it is:

We will see open transgender military service when we are so riddled by political incorrectness and Progressive lies that we ignore all medical standards and place the very lives of our soldiers and citizens at risk for the feeling of fringe minority.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Apr 16 at 2015 2:56 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:56:19 -0400

I am going to refuse to answer here because my BIGOTED, NARROW MIND will get in trouble as I am told.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 19 at 2015 12:00 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 19 Apr 2015 12:00:55 -0400

I really don't care about the private sexual dealings of servicemembers. I have supervised openly gay troops without issue. It's a matter of professionalism. The issues I see that arise with openly allowing transgendered troops to serve have to deal with the following:

1. Professionalism. If a male soldier (Brandon) takes leave and then returns to duty with breast implants and now wants to be called Brenda how professional can we expect all the other Soldiers in the unit to remain? We serve in a professional organization, but that soldier would instantly become a black sheep.

2. Medical expenses. Trangendered personnel require elective surgery and continuous hormone therapy. Who will pay for all of this? If we are to believe what comes out of DC these days...we are broke. The military spends far too much one on healthcare. At a time when the government wants to lower costs, are.we going to allow individual servicemembers to elect to undergo several elective surgeries and how mine treatments? Who will pay for these treatments. Who will pay for the psychological care that these people need to facilitate their transition?

There are many physical and mental illnesses that disqualify individuals from military service. Gender identity disorder or whatever it is called these days should definitely be in the list. The military can't always be the petri dish politicians use to experiment with social change...especially when it could cause serious issues for the unit and cost American taxpayers millions just to employ transgendered personnel.

Response by 1LT Richard C. made Apr 23 at 2015 6:13 PM

1LT Richard C. — Thu, 23 Apr 2015 18:13:34 -0400

The answer is when, which will be soon, I truly expect to see it in my lifetime.

I was introduced to the concept back in 1974...The Forever War by Joe Haldeman.

I recommend this as a good read and a lessons learned for the future of combat, weapons, tactics, training, and integration.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jun 11 at 2015 5:36 PM

CPT Pedro Meza — Thu, 11 Jun 2015 17:36:25 -0400

PO1 Autumn Sandeen, there is one serving already, but to answer your question this will only happen when the men find their cojones, cause they are afraid.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 11 at 2015 6:10 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Jun 2015 18:10:07 -0400

Israel's IDF has transgenders serving. I think that history has shown that, in ours and foreign miilitaries, LBGTs have performed in an outstanding manner. (Years ago, during and before DADT, I wasn't sure after both meeting people and reading about how its worked in Canada, Australia, Israel and UK, i've been convinced there is no problem) I think anyone regardless whether they be male/female, gay, bisexual or transgender should be allowed to serve. We have adapted well when we integrated units racially, we integrated females into most units and now into combat units/MOS, repeal of DADT and now we are looking at transgender. The only issues that could come up would be if, in some situations, transgenders may be required to continue medication maintenance indefinitely such as some asthmatics, people with diabetes, etc. Also, if a soldiers wants surgery after they are in there would be the cost factor and how long it would keep them nonproductive (one solution would be to give them a leave of absence and upon successful surgery they return) I'm not an expert on the impact of those situations; that would be up to a the military health care system doctors to decide; however, the status itself should not be disqualifying.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Aug 22 at 2015 11:37 AM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Sat, 22 Aug 2015 11:37:18 -0400

Within next 2 years

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Aug 22 at 2015 2:23 PM

MSG Floyd Williams — Sat, 22 Aug 2015 14:23:55 -0400

I won't vote up or down, but will say this it should be kept simple "Honoring Men And Women Killed In Action" that is all, stop the segregation of everything that is causing hate, discontent, and separation.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Aug 22 at 2015 7:44 PM

SSG Robert Webster — Sat, 22 Aug 2015 19:44:41 -0400

When is now. But of course there are difficulties of acceptance by the rank and file, and the chain of command. Why it is not as open as some desire, is that the ones that are trying to actually make it work are not radically calling attention to themselves through the major media or the LGBT major political support groups.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Aug 22 at 2015 9:47 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Sat, 22 Aug 2015 21:47:01 -0400

Let's talk about the contributions of our Transgender folks, shall we? Say, isn't Chelsea Manning currently serving?

... Oh, that's right. Chelsea is serving time!

Response by CW2 Kameron Read made Aug 22 at 2015 10:58 PM

CW2 Kameron Read — Sat, 22 Aug 2015 22:58:26 -0400

Open transgender service is already here. I have a Soldier in my detachment who wants to be a woman. Nothing about this situation was ever taught in any leadership school I have attended. It's not an easy process for anyone. It is easy for people to say that it doesn't matter about sexual identity, just put on the uniform and serve. It's much more complicated than that. I will give you some situations for you to ponder, and maybe you have some recommendations or ideas to share.

1. Organizational day and families are arriving at the unit, transgender (gender dysphoria) Soldier arrives in a pink v-neck shirt, capri pants, pink accessories (phone case, watch, etc), and pink converse. Not a complete change from man to woman. Not very unisex, and was only the beginning. How do you explain that to family members and their children? What is the proper way to address the Soldier?

2. The duties in my office require the wear of civilian clothing. One of the missions in my unit is to conduct host nation liaison. Transgender Soldier feels that he is a woman, wants to wear feminine business attire. At the moment, not allowed, but when DoD policy changes happen, will situations like this be considered? What if you are in a country that isn't as progressive to these lifestyles? What are your thoughts?

3. TDY and FTX environments. Soldier comes out of the shower wearing women's underwear in front of male Soldiers. Is this considered a SHARP matter? Obviously many male Soldiers may have an issue with this.

4. Soldier is taking hormone therapy with Army doctor approval. Soldier is now asking to wear a sports bra to PRT, under the uniform. Soldier also complains that push ups are very difficult, and running is uncomfortable because of the hormone induced breasts. What do you tell this Soldier? There isn't a policy for this. Unless your ERB/ORB says Female, you are required to follow the uniform policy applicable to your gender.

I have other experiences related to this. I'm curious if anyone else on rallypoint has had dealings with this issue while in the military?

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Aug 23 at 2015 4:11 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 04:11:08 -0400

Considering that I have met some Retired Trans Military folks. I think how sad that they couldn't be themselves and had to carry on in such an oppressive environment shows a lot of Internal Strength. Can't happen soon enough in my book.

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Aug 23 at 2015 11:03 AM

PO2 Corey Ferretti — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:03:18 -0400

Do I agree with the LGBT life style no I don't. But do I belive we should say a person that wants to serve can because of their life style NO. There are people who say Transgender people can't serve because they are mental I'll. Well that Transgender Navy SEAL proved you can and he is the one who was in the news. How bout all of the the ones that serve in silent. We are a volunteer service we should not restrict it unless you are deemed medical unfit.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 23 at 2015 4:26 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 16:26:33 -0400

15 Oct 2018 .....hope i win

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Aug 23 at 2015 5:35 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Sun, 23 Aug 2015 17:35:13 -0400

Why are we even talking about this. So Bruce Jenner has made cross dressing Cool. Serving in the military is about serving your country not your life style or agenda. And we do not serve to be a social experiment for progressive and Obama. So now the gay agenda and lifestyle are all we are talking about. Chaplains are being told what they can say and the gay flag is being flown on the Base. And I have read about soldiers having to attend gay sensitivity courses as well as what they are allowed to read. And there commanding officers asking there stand in Marriage. and not to change the subject. You have a wrestler who cannot win as a man so he takes some hormon shots , let's his hair grow and now he is a transgender and wants to wrestle women. And we know how that turned out he broke a female wrestlers jaw in three places. But I transgress and this is getting to long. And they want us to pay for the surgery. And they are moving them to the front of the line.
We have Veterans who have to wait months before they can see a Doctor at the VA. You know After hearing people close to Buce Jenner say that he is now what he was ment to be. But he does not have the courage to have his penis removed.

Response by SMSgt David Zobel made Aug 24 at 2015 2:35 AM

SMSgt David Zobel — Mon, 24 Aug 2015 02:35:02 -0400

The logistical issues are much more troubling than any religious consideration. The typical practice in federal agencies is that a transgendered customer or employee may use the restroom of the sex with which he or she identifies - so long as it does not interfere with other customers or employees. Enforcing such a policy at the unit level, and especially on deployment, would undoubtedly impact camaraderie, unit cohesion, and require a plethora of unisex, single person latrines in an effort to avoid the conflict. I believe it's unrealistic. If a transgendered military member wants to serve, I say, "fine." It is the expectation of profound accommodations from the service that make it a bad idea.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Nov 3 at 2015 12:05 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:05:52 -0500

PO1 Autumn Sandeen It takes the military years to accept change. The conservative nature of most military people is the main reason. The changes will be accepted slowly, painfully and in small increments, but they will come.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Nov 3 at 2015 12:14 PM

SSG Audwin Scott — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:14:35 -0500

Soon and very soon..

Response by SGT William Howell made Nov 3 at 2015 12:50 PM

SGT William Howell — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 12:50:00 -0500

Fun Fact. Who has two thumbs and thinks this is stupid? This guy!

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Nov 3 at 2015 3:02 PM

Sgt Kelli Mays — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 15:02:13 -0500

If this is going to happen...then it should happen quietly and privately. For those who want to change their Gender....do not flaunt it...do not share it publicly.....do it privately and quietly and go on your merry way... Don't share it or shout it to the world....keep it to yourself and family....Then maybe, just maybe you can stay in the military and live your life the way you want to.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Nov 3 at 2015 4:15 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 16:15:09 -0500

IMPO I am tired of hearing about it! It is what it is. I don't believe in it. I personally don't want to know about it. Better off left alone. I have My beliefs and will get in trouble for speaking about it so I wont!

Response by 1SG Patrick Sims made Nov 3 at 2015 5:44 PM

1SG Patrick Sims — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 17:44:34 -0500

What happened to just being a veteran?----When did we become white, black, gay, lesbian and transsexual? Is there something wrong with being---just a veteran? Why does someone need a special designation to single themselves out from the rest of us? Are they special???What makes them better than the rest of us?

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Nov 3 at 2015 6:27 PM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 18:27:09 -0500

Not really directly related to the article, but it sets a precedence and would have the same issue and outcome in the services. See attached article.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/illinois-school-must-give-transgender-student-access-locker-room-feds-n456601

Transgender Student Can't be Stopped From Using Girls' Locker Room: Feds

An Illinois school district is breaking the law by denying a transgender student full access to the girls' locker room, Department of Education says.

Response by TSgt Anthony Ellis made Nov 3 at 2015 7:30 PM

TSgt Anthony Ellis — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:30:08 -0500

I think that it will be very soon. When one joins the military for their country one does not see race, religion, sex we are all brothers and sisters in arms!

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2015 7:31 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:31:51 -0500

With all due respect, PO1 Autumn Sandeen, I see this "gender identification" issue as an aberration, and I hope we never see what you describe. In the news this week is a high school boy who "identifies" as a girl. He/she demands to use the girls' bathroom and locker room. The school tried to reasonably accommodate him/her, but that wasn't good enough, so the government swooped in and required the school to allow him/her to use the girls' facilities, or else ... the school will lose lots of federal aid. If my daughter were attending that school, I think I would cry foul. This is clearly an aberration, and even when the school tried to accommodate this individual, that wasn't good enough.

When I hear stories like this, I wonder where the limit is, or if there is a limit at all. There must be advocates for all manner of aberration. I wonder, what next?! I don't really even want to know.

As others have said, why all the hub-bub about transgender and sexual identification? Why do "we" have to announce our "gender identity"? Why can't we just be a Soldier? One team, one fight? I guess I'm old fashioned about this. I served 30 years on active duty, and I never felt the need to announce or wave a flag regarding my sexual orientation or my "gender identity." What's next? It boggles the mind and scares me a little.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2015 8:35 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 20:35:21 -0500

This conversation never stops! Yes, we know.. Blah, blah, blah... Like a broken record. Geez!

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Nov 3 at 2015 11:03 PM

SPC George Rudenko — Tue, 03 Nov 2015 23:03:19 -0500

Most likely they are already there, just in shadows

Response by LTC Eric Coger made Nov 4 at 2015 6:10 AM

LTC Eric Coger — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 06:10:41 -0500

Timing is irrelevant. Policies are key. Either people will be held to their biological gender's HT/WT and PT standards or we will go to gender neutral standards. Anything else will be failure. My last APFT score was a 296, if I were a female it would have been on the extended scale a 365. A female scoring a 300 in my age group would only get a 237... that is just one of many issues that will have to be figured out. Not insurmountable, but needs to be done right.

Response by CPT Brent Ferguson made Nov 4 at 2015 6:58 AM

CPT Brent Ferguson — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 06:58:57 -0500

The main beef I have with the LGBT community is that, for the most part, they appear to be hypocrites.

They preach love, peace, acceptance and tolerance - but they only want these words to apply to their perspectives and to people who believe as they do. Yes, they profess love toward conservatives, but their actions prove them to be violent, unforgiving, and intolerant toward them.

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made Nov 4 at 2015 9:30 AM

COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:30:48 -0500

A few thoughts:
- There is a difference between a TRANSGENDER soldier and a transgender SOLDIER. The former wants the Army to adjust to them while the latter will adjust to the Army. The former should not and will not be accepted while the latter will be.
- The mission of the US Army is to fight and win our nations wars. If including transgender Soldiers in the Army helps us to accomplish our mission then I am all for it. If it does not then they should not be included. We are part of a national security program not a national cultural program.
- Interesting to me how people who have never served in the military have all kinds of opinions about what the Army should do. Non doctors don't feel the need to tell doctors how to practice medicine. Non lawyers don't feel the need to tell lawyers how to practice law. Yet many civilians seem to think they have military expertise or opinions that they must share.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made Nov 4 at 2015 7:05 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Wed, 04 Nov 2015 19:05:29 -0500

Why not know, being in the military is about who you like to sleep with. And why not Obama has said that a boy who wants to be a girl can change in there locker room. and the girls have no say. Bruce Jenner has made it cool and know everyone wants on the band wagon.

Response by SrA Art Siatkowsky made Nov 5 at 2015 3:43 AM

SrA Art Siatkowsky — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 03:43:51 -0500

its a free country....atm anyway. I dont agree with the gay,lesbian,transgender lifestyle but they probably dont agree with mine. I have no rational argument that holds ground to deny any free human being the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Following that same tolerance I would expect that religious chaplins who disagree on religous grounds be given the same benefit. My right to religous freedom should not be trumped by your right to sexual preference....its called tolerance because we tolerate the differences we dont agree with and still treat everyone with the dignity required of a fellow free human being.

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2015 12:49 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 05 Nov 2015 12:49:13 -0500

Getting equal rights is not shoving our life styles down your throat. As military leaders you should watch what you say, it's self undermining.

Response by COL Bill McCormick made Nov 7 at 2015 9:08 AM

COL Bill McCormick — Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:08:47 -0500

Open should not be a mandatory option. But there should be no punishment or predudice shown unless the status is the cause of a non-optimized mission ready situation or circumstance. Commander's call.

Response by MAJ Hugh Blanchard made Nov 9 at 2015 6:06 PM

MAJ Hugh Blanchard — Mon, 09 Nov 2015 18:06:02 -0500

The goal of military service is insuring that our nation maintains a high state of military readiness and capability. Whoever can meet unambiguous and objective standards (height, weight, physical fitness, occupational skill level, marksmanship, etc.) to maintain that readiness and defend our country is fine by me. In such an open system, there should not be different standards for one group or another, except perhaps by age. Bullets don't go slower depending at whom they're fired, they move fast for everybody, and everybody has to hold up their share of the load.
Regards,
Hugh

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Nov 9 at 2015 8:00 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:00:43 -0500

IN HONOR OF ALL VETERANS KILLED IN ACTION. PERIOD.

Response by SSG Robert Spina made Nov 9 at 2015 8:44 PM

SSG Robert Spina — Mon, 09 Nov 2015 20:44:38 -0500

HOPEFULLY NEVER YOU CANT TELL ME THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS DONT SUFFER FROM MENTAL ILL

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Dec 26 at 2015 1:44 PM

SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:44:18 -0500

I think the largest thing is ensuring no problems with uniforms or berthing/barracks issues. The push for a unisex uniform will probably come just before their decision to do so. It is almost complete. There are a lot of things that need to be cleared up before they do that - not simply a cultural shift. It's coming. I could see the changes being made to make this happen before I retired. I would say that in the next 1-5 years it will be accomplished. In the terms of your IT folks, "We're working on it."

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Jan 7 at 2016 12:10 PM

SPC Sheila Lewis — Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:10:58 -0500

is that something to be proud of?

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2016 9:15 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Feb 2016 09:15:20 -0500

We are seeing it now. There are openly serving trans-gendered Soldiers

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Feb 6 at 2016 5:30 PM

SSG Lon Watson — Sat, 06 Feb 2016 17:30:46 -0500

this is a ridiculous concept that will hurt our military and further makes us joke in the world stage.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 2 at 2016 7:14 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Mar 2016 07:14:30 -0500

A lot of you are missing the point. People who are transgender in the military are not looking to be labeled as a transgender soldier; they are looking to be call a soldier. They just happen to not feel the way that they were born. Might I remind you that people had to hide themselves until the end of 2011. Might I also mention that there are transgenders in the military right now that have chosen not to transition just yet but to be in the military. I don't know how I ran into this page but your assumptions on soldiers who are willing to give up their lives and serve the country is unprofessional. Soldiers are soldiers, sailors are sailors, airmen are airmen, and marines are marines. How you judge upon someone before knowing someone shows a lack of leadership experience. My only suggestion is that you all fix yourselves before it gets you in trouble in the future.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2016 12:04 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 08 Mar 2016 12:04:22 -0500

Can I claim to be trans and get graded using female standards for the APFT?

Response by MSgt Rena Schmidt made Apr 8 at 2016 3:48 PM

MSgt Rena Schmidt — Fri, 08 Apr 2016 15:48:31 -0400

I am so tired of being used as a social experiment for the liberal left. We have always had these in the military only we didn't ask they didn't tell and we got along just fine. You liberals don't understand we don't have TIME to worry about what bathroom you need to you when we are being SHOT at by people who WANT TO KILL US!

Response by SSG Jeremy Kohlwes made Apr 21 at 2016 5:06 PM

SSG Jeremy Kohlwes — Thu, 21 Apr 2016 17:06:41 -0400

I think that depends a lot on what happens with the current presidential race. If a Democrat wins then it will probably be in the next 10 years. If a Republican wins then it will probably be a little while longer.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made May 11 at 2016 9:23 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 May 2016 09:23:11 -0400

How about just identify yourself as whatever your branch is? I was a Squid, but I trans'ed into being an Airman.

Response by PFC Lisa McDonald made Jun 26 at 2019 4:15 AM

PFC Lisa McDonald — Wed, 26 Jun 2019 04:15:34 -0400

If the Americans With Disabilities Act and U.S Constitution had been followed there would never have been such a thing as "Transgender" or "transgender" service.
In the last three decades since declaring Transsexuals and Transvestites as not disabled neither party has done anything to support that idea and especially not Democrats!!!!!!!
The voting record and adoption of the umbrella term transgender and subsequent attachment to the LGB supports me in saying Democrats are openly transphobic as are transgender activist such as yourself!!!
Without being able to "include" people without their consent activist like you would be nothing!
Let's start calling the lgbt what it is! The Democrats favorite outpatient civil commitment group and subversion of the U.S Constitution!
It's time for the return of the "Transsexual" separatist!! Accept this time it's going to be real!!

Response by MSG Dianne Whipple made Jun 25 at 2022 7:50 PM

MSG Dianne Whipple — Sat, 25 Jun 2022 19:50:29 -0400

Anyone who is too confused to know what sex they are doesn't need to be in the military with weapons.

Response by SSG Jack Scott made Jun 26 at 2022 12:34 AM

SSG Jack Scott — Sun, 26 Jun 2022 00:34:59 -0400

Jesus Christ can we stick to training for War and not woke bullshit!

Response by SSG Billy Claggett made Jul 1 at 2023 11:38 AM

SSG Billy Claggett — Sat, 01 Jul 2023 11:38:29 -0400

Never get them OUT
That is a mental defect by the code of mental health

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 2 at 2023 1:05 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sun, 02 Jul 2023 01:05:30 -0400

the US Military has one duty to perform. Allowing anyone that has required ongoing medical care to be combat effective should be removed from the Service. If you are trans, that is on you but the Military should in no way have to pay for your care and you should fall into the same category as the Diabetic because you require medication to maintain what you want to be.
If the transgender are enlisted and/or retained then so should the Diabetic, the asthmatic, the overweight, and those with mental issues.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2023 5:35 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 17:35:31 -0400

First of all the commanders need to be honorable and stop allowing illegal separations on people that one of their TAC subordinates don't like to progress. Then we can worry about other stuff. As long as TACs are allowed to lie or put their own opinions on what "took place," everyone is in the same boat. Here is an example for you. A classmate lies and says that you went to her house over an exodus period and gave her things. Without any investigation the TAC parrots that to the commander who pushes it through to a separation. The classmate was in Kansas at the time of the exodus visiting her parents which you could not have known. You were in Georgia and have 7 witness statements handsigned to that effect. When you try and supply those statements you are told to "give them to your lawyer." Obviously you don't have a 'lawyer' because we all don't have reasons to have 'lawyers.' You demand a court martial, but are told "we don't have enough evidence to court martial you." Once those issues are taken care of we can worry about other, more specific reasons for termination such as gender or other personal issues. But right now with the commanders allowed to say anything and push it through regardless of the truth, no one is safe from separation.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2023 9:42 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 01 Aug 2023 21:42:00 -0400

I thought transgenders could already serve openly in American's military services. By the way, I've seen, in person, the photo at the beginning of this thread. It's located on the grounds of the California State Capitol. There's a second one that's placed on an obelisk in the Cathedral City, California Cemetery.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2023 12:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 02 Aug 2023 12:36:04 -0400

Thanks for sharing.

Response by PO3 Scooter Joe made Aug 10 at 2023 1:50 PM

PO3 Scooter Joe — Thu, 10 Aug 2023 13:50:05 -0400

What has the world developed into

Response by PO1 Robert Ryan made Aug 17 at 2023 4:39 PM

PO1 Robert Ryan — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 16:39:20 -0400

It is none of my business who decides what they are. Man is a man. Woman was made from the rib of man, not from a surgical procedure. Sorry I am old school, call me a dinosaur if you wish, I will not be forced to accept something i do not want to, nor will I compromise my beliefs and faith. It doesn't take a brick wall to fall on me to see the evil one is at work now.

Response by SFC Kevin Childers made Aug 27 at 2023 11:06 PM

SFC Kevin Childers — Sun, 27 Aug 2023 23:06:03 -0400

I personally don't give a damn. If you are willing to step up and risk your life with the rest of us, welcome aboard.

Response by SGT John Shatesky made Sep 4 at 2023 8:35 PM

SGT John Shatesky — Mon, 04 Sep 2023 20:35:28 -0400

I believe these people have a real problem. They have no business in the military as a fighting force. Only civilian desk/office jobs. Not alongside real fighting men and real women. As a veteran myself, I would not serve the same next to any.

Response by SGT Brian “Doc” Burry made Sep 6 at 2023 1:20 AM

SGT Brian “Doc” Burry — Wed, 06 Sep 2023 01:20:21 -0400

If you want to pretend you are something you are not, don’t expect all others to pretend you are something you are not!

Response by A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney made Sep 6 at 2023 8:10 PM

A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney — Wed, 06 Sep 2023 20:10:25 -0400

I've Known These People ALL My Life.
Our Differences Are Very Few. But They Should NOT Be
In The Military Services; It's Far Too Confusing For Everyone.

Response by CPO Roger Barnstead made Sep 6 at 2023 9:01 PM

CPO Roger Barnstead — Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:01:53 -0400

TRANSGENDER? It can't be done, it is an XX / XY world, everything else is an elaborate costume. The military is no place for nonsense. If you have medical complications that prevent you from doing your full duty you should be out.

Response by SPC Vernon Trexler made Sep 6 at 2023 9:59 PM

SPC Vernon Trexler — Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:59:19 -0400

never I pray

Response by PVT Narciso Garcia made Sep 15 at 2023 1:11 PM

PVT Narciso Garcia — Fri, 15 Sep 2023 13:11:58 -0400

I believe they should not serve in our military

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 25 at 2023 2:14 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 25 Sep 2023 14:14:39 -0400

If you ask me I think these people are mentally unstable, so there for should be disqualified to serve in the military.
If you can look down your pants and say the opposite of what you see and then say but I feel that I'm this; well your insane and need medical help.
Guess what if I think I'm a f-ing black apache helicopter and expected everyone to call me that and hop on my back for a ride,... well I hope somebody would tell me I'm f-ing crazy and need to get some help and not actually hop on my back for a ride.
All I can say is God help us all from this crazy would we are making.

Response by SFC Eddy Meador made Oct 4 at 2023 10:21 PM

SFC Eddy Meador — Wed, 04 Oct 2023 22:21:46 -0400

Never I hope.

Response by PO1 Don Uhrig made Oct 14 at 2023 7:52 PM

PO1 Don Uhrig — Sat, 14 Oct 2023 19:52:24 -0400

My response will no doubt be controversial. I am not "transphobic" (a made up word). What I am for, is an armed service that is actually ready to serve and able to deploy to defend the Constitution and the United States of America. With so-called self labeled transgender people, they are often under hormone therapy and psychology therapy (which is required to stay on the grossly body changing drugs) that requires close monitoring, thereby putting them in a non-deployable status. This means that other personal must be deployed to fill that vacancy leading to an unfair deployment cycle. So called self labeled transgender persons are costing the taxpayer millions in medical/psych treatments that IMHO are selfish. IMHO, these self labeled persons should accomplish this at their own expense and/or therapy to truly understand why they want to destroy their mind and body. IMHO these self labeled transgender persons have simply found a loophole (thanks to liberals) to get someone else (Government) to pay for their psychological illness.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 27 at 2023 12:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 Oct 2023 12:38:07 -0400

I guess I'll put in my 2 cents. Although I personally don't agree that transgender people can serve properly and due to all the medical "care" they need, they damned sure can't deploy to a combat zone, and openly gay and/or "transgender" behavior while on duty or in uniform I personally feel detracts from the mission, and makes us look weak and distracted. I believe the "Don't ask don't tell" policy was OK for homosexuals and was the best compromize any of them could have hoped for, and I wish it was still in place. Regardless of ANYONE'S personal gender "BS", I hate having ANYONE'S sexuality shoved in my face- I don't care what you choose to call yourself! And although I agree with most of the people commenting here, I sure wish some of you would stop politicizing EVERYTHING, as I do not believe that everything someone doesn't like or agree with is some kind of political conspiracy. Back in my day, we neither asked nor cared what political party someone supported. All that mattered was the mission. I sure wish we could get back to a civilized tone with one another. Not everything someone doesn't like is "from the liberals" or "from the conservatives"! Jeez, dear God, give us some relief from all these distractions that have nothing to do with the mission!

Response by Maj Bruce Miller made Oct 28 at 2023 3:29 PM

Maj Bruce Miller — Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:29:54 -0400

When, not if, will we see an open military service to bestial polygamist, satinist and pantheist nilists?
Military service first requires eligibility (age, citizenship, morals) and so if eligible, then requires high standards of physical and mental ability, commitment to the service member's creed and sworn allegiance to duty, honor and country. Military service is NOT a forum for the open expression of individuality and separatism. Military service is NOT an institution for social engineering and social experimentation. Service members are free to harbor any personal belief or conviction they wish, providing it does not interfere with the above standards.

Response by GySgt Marc Dickerson made Nov 5 at 2023 12:13 PM

GySgt Marc Dickerson — Sun, 05 Nov 2023 12:13:31 -0500

Transgenderism is a mental disorder. It reflects a mental condition. This is detrimental to good order and stability within the military. Pretending it's not a problem is ignoring the truth. I do not hate mentally ill people. I do not wish bad things on mentally ill people. But ignoring the problem, and enabling their dysphoria, only makes the problem worse. It is the same as being an enabler for a drunk and/or drug addict.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2023 3:00 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Nov 2023 15:00:21 -0500

Who cares. I disapprove of people or servicemembers attempting to define themselves by such a narrow measure. You are a human being first and then ever so often (for about 5 to 7 minutes) your sexual self comes to the fore.

Response by SFC Jim Freshour made Nov 12 at 2023 4:33 PM

SFC Jim Freshour — Sun, 12 Nov 2023 16:33:45 -0500

People who have undergone this surgery require care for life. If done while in on active duty they are out on con leave and profiled for years.Meanwhile the individuals unit must carry him on the rolls. One less person. PL,PSG, and Sl must deal with this daily. Not to mention the drag on morale. This person would almost certainly have daily medical appointments. At ETS they would belong to the VA most likely getting 100% disability. IMO not with the trouble.

Response by LTC Mathew Beckstead made Nov 25 at 2023 9:06 AM

LTC Mathew Beckstead — Sat, 25 Nov 2023 09:06:21 -0500

The real issue is combat effectiveness and deployable. If that decreases its a bad idea. We are now sacrificing combat effectiveness to social engineering. If the argument is "people said this during racial integration and when women were allowed into the military." That is a false argument because race has much less impact than sexual integration. Combat units with women are less effective than all male units, they also have a bigger logistics trail, poorer deployable due to pregnancy and other sexual issues. Now you throw in gender sisphoria and other mental health issues that come along with it, plus the hormones , infections, and complications associated with reassignment surgeries. How is that soldier going to be ready to deploy? They can't, they have too much dissonance in their mind to focus on keeping their teammates alive and mission Focused. The military is not for everyone. We have loads of discriminatory policies on the books, this is not one that should be changed. How does this make the team better?

Response by SPC Lukas Mcwhorter made Nov 26 at 2023 12:19 PM

SPC Lukas Mcwhorter — Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:19:08 -0500

There is ZERO PLACE in a Military environment, if that be operational, garrison, or other, for such things as this. Gender, sexual orientation, religion, politics… any of that have no meaning (or shouldn’t) in the context of any military service or environment. You aren’t there for “you”. You are serving “country”. You are there in service to “others”. Any policy that allows soldiers to grow beards, be openly homosexual, be openly transsexual or any of that horseshit creates nothing but a liability!

Who do you want to be at your side in combat? Someone who is selfish enough to spend their time and energy “expressing” themselves openly to affect social changes? Or someone that signed up to serve their country, and “expresses” themselves in their free time? It’s a simple psychological profile that you can apply to 99 percent of the idiots running around these days. The secret is that nobody cares. Just do your job. People start caring when you throw issues that make them uncomfortable in their faces. And they get annoyed, and that creates derision and resentment. It’s not rocket science.

Response by SPC Lukas Mcwhorter made Nov 26 at 2023 12:25 PM

SPC Lukas Mcwhorter — Sun, 26 Nov 2023 12:25:13 -0500

And what makes gay or transgender service members so special? They are AMERICANS. They aren’t any more special. You gain no additional merit of respect from me simply because you are gay. American service members all deserve the same respect. We all swore our allegiance and service, at the cost of (if so be it) of our mortal soul.

Response by CPO Melvin Miller made Dec 8 at 2023 10:02 AM

CPO Melvin Miller — Fri, 08 Dec 2023 10:02:24 -0500

I am one who really do not care what your poiltical affiliation is, your religion or your sexual preferences. As long as you have my back i will have yours. The one problem I have seen coming uo recently is service members coming into the service than announcing that they aree transgender good for you. Then those same people expect the military to help you in some cases get surgery for your sex change assignment. Gays, lesbians, transgenders have been in the military for many many years we just did not allow the openess of their choices. We are all human beings we all were created. Special provisons have been made for women to board ships, submarines combat units etc. Its a bigger issue that is not going away folks. Open your eyse. The military of twenty years ago is so much not the military of today.

Response by James Miller made Dec 13 at 2023 10:02 PM

James Miller — Wed, 13 Dec 2023 22:02:16 -0500

Transgender used to be classified as a mental illness until they changed the meaning. Now it's called gender dysphoria. Dysphoria is a symptom associated with a variety of mental illnesses.

Response by SFC Birk Ellis made Dec 14 at 2023 9:05 AM

SFC Birk Ellis — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 09:05:04 -0500

The main difference between DADT is that no medical intervention was needed, if they wanted to practice their sexual preference, did not take away from mission accomplishment.
Now, in the case of crossdressers, they want to have surgery and take medication to convert to the incorrect gender (DNA will never change) so that DOES affect mission accomplishment. CD's cannot deploy to a combat zone or hotspot while undergoing transition for fear of no available treatment options.
As a warfighter, we have to be ready at a moments notice to deploy, fight, and destroy our Nation's enemies.

Response by SPC Matt Ovaska made Feb 5 at 2024 5:54 AM

SPC Matt Ovaska — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 05:54:16 -0500

I got very little sleep in basic , AIT, and combat. I can't imagine trying to sleep with one eye open.
At Ft. Jackson arriving at basic training, those fellas wearing smoky the bear hats gave us such a warm, loving, friendly welcome, right from beginning when we got off the bus. We were warned about WAC's living on the base and not to ever get caught looking toward that part of the base. WWII barracks offered us private toilets, urinal's, and showers At BIVWAC we enjoyed open air baths using our helmets for water.
We were trained to fight and kill, sometimes with bayonets, or hand to hand because that's what soldiers do, like a football team.
My son went to a coed college. on weekends, they would bus the boys to Kathern St. in Montreal. He came home on weekends. He wanted to join the military like his ancestor's. I said, "NO" This country has changed.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Feb 26 at 2024 9:36 AM

1SG James Kelly — Mon, 26 Feb 2024 09:36:42 -0500

Never.

Response by SGT Nickolas Ortiz made Feb 29 at 2024 2:35 AM

SGT Nickolas Ortiz — Thu, 29 Feb 2024 02:35:51 -0500

Once competent Leaders get back into the Executive Branch and in the DOD, this whole faile “trans” experiment will be over and done with. The US Military isn’t a place to get you sex reassignment or placate a delusion. How does that make a unit combat ready? HINT: it doesn’t. “Diversity” isn’t a strength… as we’ve seen these last three years, it’s a debilitating weakness. Fit the standard for combat readiness. Our adversary will not care how “woke” we are.

Response by SrA Cecelia Eareckson made Apr 13 at 2024 12:37 AM

SrA Cecelia Eareckson — Sat, 13 Apr 2024 00:37:17 -0400

Do we allow insulin-dependent diabetics to serve? Seriously, any need for ongoing medical tx should be a bar to military service.

Response by PO1 Janice Ritz made Apr 30 at 2024 7:29 AM

PO1 Janice Ritz — Tue, 30 Apr 2024 07:29:40 -0400

Why has the military gone to more "gender-neutral" uniforms? Because no one cares what sex you are when you're in a foxhole or on the deck of an aircraft carrier. If you want to transition, leave the military, pay for the surgery yourself, and then reapply for military service. It's your conflict, not the military's.