Why does the SAMC induct junior Sergeants?

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:47:04 -0500

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 10:48 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:48:41 -0500

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. Are you asking why the SAMC inducts Sergeants in the grade of E-5?

Response by SSG Shavonde Chase made Nov 13 at 2016 10:49 PM

SSG Shavonde Chase — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 22:49:20 -0500

They are NCOs. Why should they not be included?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2016 11:04 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:04:13 -0500

The only reason that the logo has Staff Sergeant chevrons is because that was the highest enlisted rank Sergeant Audie Murphy achieved in his three years of Active Federal Service during World War 2.

Response by SFC George Smith made Nov 14 at 2016 12:05 AM

SFC George Smith — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:05:59 -0500

Because it's an NCO organization and once you get (or used to Get Hard Stripes) E-5 Sergeant they were eligible...

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Nov 14 at 2016 6:17 AM

SPC Erich Guenther — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 06:17:14 -0500

I wonder sometimes what all these individual internal competitions in the Army are really achieving.

Response by SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM made Nov 14 at 2016 8:34 AM

SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:34:14 -0500

Good morning, The reason for my question is because when I was active duty and a member of the SAMC I never saw an E-5 Sergeant inducted to the SAMC. Now I have heard of a few and the proud to appear in front of the board but like my friend he was Sergeant and the board told him he was not responsible yet as a junior NCO, so this made him very negative toward the SAMC and later down the road he showed his peers and the ARMY he could make SFC without it, along with a lot of other good NCOs out there. MY thing is I know that the history and the Bio doesn't talk much about Audie Murphy being a Sergeant in the ARMY but why is the LOGO hold the rank of SSG and why did they wait unit I was a SSG to send me to the board above my peers. Just that questions out there, I know there are hard chargers out there who are Sergeants and that is what is wrong with the ARMY we train our JR. leaders to fast for combat and a lot of them come back in boxes and that is the truth. I think, My thoughts hear me out, that SAMC should be designed for the Elite group of NCOs SSG and Above who know their soldiers and their families who have superior LEADERSHIP skills who have proven themselves in all kinds if situations. I can see what my friend felt the day he went to the board as a young SGT all that studying and he is told that he is not "Good enough to lead." Even thou he has a combat patch and some of the board members as I recall did not. He had to wait all that time to make SFC to prove himself.

SO what dose SAMC do for us?

STEPHENS'

Response by SFC Justin Rooks made Nov 14 at 2016 11:19 AM

SFC Justin Rooks — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 11:19:41 -0500

Yes, you have to be at least a Sergeant to be a member of SAMC, but the key to being recommended is your conduct as an NCO as well as your ability to take care of your Soldiers and their families. There are a lot of young Sergeants that are doing just that and are being recommended for it. Given some of what is being evaluated at the board, Sergeants, as that first line leader, are some of the best equipped to go before the board. What that does for them is gives them that mentorship network they might not get at their unit to be able to be better NCOs. Now should all Sergeants be SAMC members? No. That's why there are requirements for recommendation. But nothing stops that member that gets recommended and selected from mentoring that one in his/her unit so that they become better NCOs and maybe, become eventual members themselves. SAMC gives you what you put into it. It is a vehicle to mentor young Soldiers and NCOs as well as provide another positive example of the Army to the community.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 6:58 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 18:58:02 -0500

While I am not a member, I personally think that the SGT that is recommended and makes it into the club.....that is just OUTSTANDING for that SGT.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2016 10:45 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 14 Nov 2016 22:45:41 -0500

Audie Murphy has staff sergeant rank because that was the highest enlisted rank he received before receiving his battlefield commission. Also as someone stated already, SSG is also a junior NCO; however that doesn't matter. You are inducted by your leadership skills, your morales, your contributions to your community and the association, and by simply getting recommended by the board. FORSCOM Reg 600-80-1 outlines the qualifications clearly. Just because one is a sergeant does not make him ineligible. I sit on the board for Fort Riley's SAMC and honestly can say we had a sergeant smoke the board no questions asked, and 3 SFC, one was a First Sergeant, get kicked out because the way the presented themselves and the way they spoke about there leadership was based on Integrity violations. I believe we should have more Sergeants get this prestigious award and be inducted as to the mentorship and leaders will help them because a better NCO overall. This is just my professional opinion.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Nov 15 at 2016 2:41 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:41:40 -0500

There are just some junior NCOs who are mature, articulate, tactically and technically proficient and perform well above the rank they wear. If a buck Sergeant can be selected they have to be on the ball.
Have always had great respect for NCOs who earned induction into the Audie Murphy and SGT Morales clubs.
I was selected as Soldier and NCO of the year for several organizations and commands but never was able to get inducted into either club. Used to be frustrating to go to the boards and see guys I had decimated at the NCO of the year boards get inducted.
Was blessed to be selected to serve as a CSM, but the only thing I ever set out to do and failed at was the SAMC and SGT Morales program. To this day I don't know what I did wrong.

Response by SFC Mike Wilkins made Nov 16 at 2016 2:23 PM

SFC Mike Wilkins — Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:23:09 -0500

Leaders are not born they're made. So if you get them young you can build a better leader.