I'm so sick of seeing squared away Soldiers freaked out about height and weight like it's the executioner. And before anyone comes on here and says, "Just lose weight, fat ass." Every single one of you has met or knows someone who was good at their job but was just not genetically created in the ridiculous 1940's mold that we're supposed to fit into.
Posted 8 y ago
I personally think the tape test is a cheap response to a complicated issue. Just like the rest of the Army's programs; Cheap. We want an elite force then maybe spending the money on the force is something to be had. I have seen many complain on this thread that it would cost money to train and operate the "dunk tank" but; do you not think that with so much variance in how one person tapes to another that they too should be trained and doesn't that also cost ..... money? Duh! <br><br>Let's look at some facts:<br><br>Average height of an American male (1940) - 5'6"<br>Average height of an American male (2010) - 5'10.5"<br><br>BMI was made for statistical populations and developed in the 1880's where the average height for a North American male was 5'4". <br><br>Americans are bigger stronger, faster than we were when these "Standards" were developed. <br><br>I am 6'3" 217lbs 27yrs old. My table weight is 212 lbs. I have never made that table weight yet I am roughly 13% BF and usually score a 270+ on my APFT. Please explain this.....Yet I always fear the tape. Why? Because there has been times where I have been taped damn near the limit and once I was taped over and placed on the ABCP. Was I really out of shape? 270+ APFT? I don't think so. So I requested a re tape where in now I was under the limit. What happened next you ask? No, I was not removed from the ABCP until 30 days passed and I was able to "show progress" and pass another tape. I am currently off the program but, this is just bullshit. Now I will worry for the next 36 months if I get someone who tapes me wrong; Will I get kicked out? Invest into your forces, Not in your pockets. Pay for the right tools to maintain the worlds elite. And if you dont want to invest into the right tools then maybe its time you re-evaluate the standards to the average size of an American today. Stop being Cheap!
<p>My suggestion would be to tie it to the APFT. Here's a potential way to do it;</p><p> </p><p>290-300: 1st class APFT, exempt from Body Fat testing requirements.</p><p> </p><p>280--289: 2nd class APFT, must meet standards in Body Fat tables, within +/- 5% .</p><p> </p><p>279 and below: 3rd class APFT, must meet the standards per the regulation.</p><p> </p><p>So those mythical "300 APFT'ers who can't meet tape" that we always hear about and yet no one has ever seen/met would be taken care of, and it gives people more of an incentive to strive for.</p><p> </p>
I have been in the Army for a little over 23 years. For the last 21 years, I have been taped after every weigh-in. I'm a big guy and that is just the way it is. If I lose the weight needed to make my "table weight," I believe that I will wither away and die. I do what I need to do to make tape, not weight. Right, wrong or indifferent, that has worked for me. I am not a big fan of our current means of height and weight tables, but those are what are outlined in AR 600-9, and until changed, that is what the regulation is.
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