Why would somebody with 23 years of military experience be passed over for an entry level position with no experience required?

2015-06-26T17:34:25-04:00

Applied for a job with a cable television company and just found out I didn't get the job. I don't understand why I didn't get, did the phone interview thought it went well and the face to face interviews with the managers who stated they to were ex-military. Waited to hear something because recruiter said that training will start on June 29, kept going to the the company website checking my status which was still in "In Process" so I didn't hear nothing since my interview on May 19, so I decided to contact someone the other day to find out if I had the job, that was probable a mistake. Get a email stating they were going with others candidates. I am trying to understand why I wasn't qualified for this position, it is a entry level position with no experience required will train, my background, I have 23 years of military service in signal and a B.S. degree in IT but I don't qualify. Not mad just had my hopes up in getting this. The company advertise they were hiring veterans and that was one of the reason I applied. I know just because I was in the military doesn't entitle me to any job I want. But when you sit in the waiting room and looking at the other candidates, knowing that they don't have any military or maybe 4 years max, no experience. Have this happen to others or is this overthinking.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jun 26 at 2015 5:36 PM

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The truth is, you're over qualified. Their concern is that you would only work there until you find a better job. It's happened to me before.

Best of luck to you SFC Derrick Gordon!

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Jun 26 at 2015 5:54 PM

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Sometimes they look at "How long will this guy stick around?" as a weighing factor.

It's not that you weren't qualified, it's that someone else was "better suited."

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 6:10 PM

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You clearly have an "over-qualified problem", SFC Derrick Gordon. I have been there. Hell, I still get that problem. People don't want to hire someone that could become their boss.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Jun 26 at 2015 6:38 PM

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I wish this kind of thing didn't happen. As PO1 John Miller says you are probably "over qualified". Sometimes this also translates directly to "We're scared he is going to take our job if we hire him."

Response by MSgt Roger Younce made Jun 26 at 2015 8:02 PM

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Happens to me all the time. Many companies have no idea how valuable veterans can be. Look at it as their loss. That is how I look at it. Good luck!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 8:10 PM

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SFC, I've given this advice before. Look for Tech Agencies. TekSystems, AppleOne, Modis (here in CA), RobertHalf.. They usually get a pool of job openings for IT people. Some companies want a temp worker to see how they will workout with the company before bringing them aboard. Usually if you are a good fit, then they will hire you full time if that is what they are looking for. Hope this helps.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 9:29 PM

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Something in your face to face interview is what mostly likely made them go with other candidates. They were probably to intimidated by your experience and education. During the face to face interview did you or they bring up anything about you being overqualified?

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 26 at 2015 10:15 PM

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I would recommend calling the interviewer and requesting feedback on the process....either they provide you with candid feedback, blow you off or as it worked out for me call you back for a job later. My story went like this. I also applied for a job in a field i have over 20 years experience in and was not hired. When I called and asked what would have made me more competitive they said nothing it just boiled down to the another candidate having experience on a specific piece of equipment that I did not. They told me I was more than qualified and asked if they could keep me on file.......I told them yes and figured that I had just been handed a line of BS ....then three weeks later I got a call from them and offered the job because the first candidate did not work out...no interview, nothing....they were basically happy they had me in the "warm up circle" and did not have to start the hiring process all over again.

Anyway just my two cents and advice.....good luck in your job hunt.

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jun 26 at 2015 11:47 PM

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I think you were overqualified, it can be an issue, I have that problem, I have 19 yrs of computer tech experience but no degree but entry level is below me but I cant get into management.

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Jun 27 at 2015 12:19 AM

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I've been passed up a lot over the years. One doesn't know everything that the employers are looking for, whether your military status carries as much weight as you would wish or if the other candidates have some edge that makes them better. I detest having to look for work through the computer. I much prefer one to one interviews, but theses days its hard to get to that point. You got to the interview stage, so you must have a good resume, so keep plugging at it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2015 12:43 AM

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To me it sound as if they may of thought you were over qualified.

Response by LCpl Todd Houston made Jun 27 at 2015 4:27 AM

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SFC Gordon - I feel your pain. When it was me, I couldn't even muster an interview with MacDonalds!! It is quite possible that you are overqualified. The way I saw it was, if I can't even get an interview, maybe it's a sign that I should just move on. What would be worse is getting hired and learning after six months what a horrible company they could be. (at least this is what I would tell myself). Other than that, go back and talk to them and say that you are just trying to find out what you are lacking for their company and you would like to know why to better yourself. Good luck to you.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2015 4:30 AM

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It sounds as if one of 2 things. 1) you were overqualified in their eyes and they felt that you would have just wasted yours and their time, passing the time until you landed something bigger and better. 2) They already had someone already employed and in the system that they were going to move into that job, but were legally obligated to post the job and go through the motions.

Response by LTC Yinon Weiss made Jun 27 at 2015 2:50 PM

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As you mentioned you applied to a cable company, perhaps LTC Paul Turevon, VP of Talent Acquisition at Time Warner Cable, would be able to offer some more context?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jun 27 at 2015 4:23 PM

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I think with your qualifications, the upper management people were probably too nervous to bring you on board. It isn't just you. I'm forever beating my head against the wall with the fine people at USAjobs.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2015 8:42 PM

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From my experience double check your résumé and seek professional help. The truth is that your résumé is fed into a database and a computer does the preliminary approval. You can utilize the USAJOBS resume as a start.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2015 8:49 PM

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I applied for a job that required 4 to 6 years of Intelligence experience and at least an AS degree. I had 6 years experience and two AS degrees. I held intelligence positions at the Wing, Numbered Air Force, Major Command, and Air Operations Center. Needless to say they said I was "over qualified" for the position. I think, it was the Good old boy buddy system and they hooked up a buddy.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 27 at 2015 8:53 PM

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SFC Gordon,
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Response by CPO Joseph Grant made Jun 27 at 2015 10:11 PM

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Perhaps you were overqualified in their opinion. It's possible they thought you'd move on when something else came along. It took me over a year to get a job with Ratheon and that was floating around in the Persian Gulf doing stuff that never happened.

Keep charging and something will break for you. Be prepared to work at other jobs. I did everything from day labor to car sales before I got hired by Raytheon.

Response by TSgt Matthew Greenwood made Jun 27 at 2015 11:09 PM

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I know how you feel SFC Gordon, I have 20 years myself and there were a couple jobs that I was the best fit and I nailed the interview but never got anothet call or anything. I have been told more that once that I was way too over qualified for the entry position

Response by SSG Izzy Abbass made Jun 29 at 2015 1:29 AM

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I think you were probably over qualified. With your background and experience, you should be applying for higher level positions. Yes I know you want to get in at entry and then work your way up, but you should be going for higher level positions. They know you are strong and it worries them you'll be there long.

Response by SGT John W Lugo made Jun 29 at 2015 8:39 PM

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As much as it becomes a personal question of ones self, I've been there as well. I feel a lot of employer's use the hire a vet as a tax credit, and basic lip service. I have 12 years Military and a Degree to include 9 years medical in Firefighter / EMS with FEMA training and have been over looked for many entry level positions as well. Most employers want to hire you to do the entry lower end jobs most don't want to do. Good luck, and don't settle for less you've earn the right to want better.

Response by MSgt Alejandro Zamudio made Jul 2 at 2015 3:28 PM

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I applied for a job with Sears thru a website setup for hiring vets and they are looking to hire military members. The job was a home appliance service technician, no experience required training will be provided. I did not get the job, during the first interview they focused most of their questions on finding out how old I was without asking, the second interview was very similar. long story short I believe age was the main reason I was not hired. They are looking for recent college graduates and a young work force and being a veteran doesn't mater much to them. This just makes things harder for older veterans to get employed.

Response by SPC Tony Bucaro made Jul 22 at 2015 12:22 PM

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My very first job interview I went on when I got out of the Army was just unreal. The guy asked me what I had done with myself for the last 8 years after graduating from High School. I told him I was in the Army as an Infantry Solider and that I was stationed all over the world. He looked at me and said, "Ok, so what else have you done?" You want to talk about being mad, I thought I was gonna jump over the desk and choke the shit out of the guy!! Needless to say I didn't but, I did tell him as I was leaving that he was a jack-ass with no respect for us veterans. The next day I got a job somewhere else.

All I can say is keep your head up brother! Your gonna come across a lot of jack-wagons like I did who think nothing of the military or what we did. Let that roll off your shoulder and drive on like the Army trained us to do. HOOAH!!

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2015 2:28 PM

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This is has been my experience with several interviews. I have 13 years in from pv2 to cadet to CPT (P) & when told i dont have enough management experience i want to spit. I have had a team of at least 3 since i was 21 & at one point a MP company with 130 soldiers. I've been managing and training soldiers my entire adult life.
Its a very disheartening thing to think that all we've done we have to start from scratch.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Jul 31 at 2015 2:56 PM

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SFC Derrick Gordon ... One of the oldest excuses given veterans, "You are over qualified," I heard it too many times. I'm sorry you are going through this don't give up, keep posting your resume and try going through the Veterans Administration for assistance.

Response by TSgt Christine Mcclaurin made Jul 31 at 2015 4:39 PM

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It hase happened to me MANY TIMES!! 27 YEARS as dental experience, dental clinic NCIOC, MEDICAL CLINIC NCOIC, Medical Admin., and I cant get entry leval positions. You are not alone.

Response by SSgt Charles Edwards made Jul 31 at 2015 9:14 PM

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The struggle is real. I've got over 10 years experience and a college degree, but can't get a job outside of part time work. The only companies really interested are security agencies which in my experience have been jokes. I'd like to do something that pertains to my degree, but there are no jobs. Like you, I'm passed over for better candidates or I'm shutout because I didn't go to school at one of the local universities. It's maddening. You see entry level, but you can't get hired on.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 1 at 2015 4:46 AM

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Your not the only one it's happened to many others

Response by SFC James Reeder made Aug 1 at 2015 8:47 PM

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I guess I was very fortunate in my post-military career search. I was contacted by a headhunter about my current position as a 2D LASER CNC Field Service Engineer for a German machine tool company. I aced the phone interview and the in-person interview. I was notified the next day an offer was in the works. They waited seven months before I started because I had not even dropped retirement paperwork. I have an MA in Human Resources Development, and the position only requires an AS or equivalent electro-mechanical work experience.

Keep your head up - you will find something that suits you.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2015 9:06 PM

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SFC GORDON,
NEWS FLASH!!! You're OVER Qualified. Yup, they want a laborer, someone who's not going to try and heckle for higher pay or move up the ranks to quick. They want someone young and fresh, someone who "needs" the job. You are RETIRED, the chances of you coming in one day and saying F U guys, I'm going home is greater than some dumb 22 yr old who just got his girlfriend pregnant.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2015 9:13 AM

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over qualified.

Response by PO2 Jeffrey Sheibels made Aug 7 at 2015 1:44 PM

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Who knows....I have thought the same thing with interviews only to never hear from them again. I have experienced that so many times over the past five years that I lost count. Don't sweat it and keep applying. You will eventually find the job that is right for you.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Aug 7 at 2015 3:04 PM

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This could have happened also because of favors or a company shuffling other employees around. Sometimes a company will be forced to shut down certain branches of their establishments and instead of rehiring and having to spend money on training new employees, they just move the current people to fill those jobs. Not saying thats what happened to you but it could be an explanation.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Aug 9 at 2015 8:48 PM

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SFC Derrick Gordon Sorry for your disappointment. Hang in the next one is yours

Response by SSgt Donnavon Smith made Aug 21 at 2015 10:35 AM

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I love the dichotomy. Employers say that Military experience does not translate to the civilian sector, BUT at the same time you are overqualified. Choose one!

Response by SPC David S. made Aug 27 at 2015 4:22 PM

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I'm thinking this was an over qualified problem - your experience isn't entry level especially with an IT degree. More than likely it was a matter of pay. As they could get some young blood on the cheap vs paying top dollar for you. I would look to see if they have any other opportunities that require more experience.

Response by TSgt Jennifer Disch made Sep 10 at 2015 10:13 PM

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Yes. I've been told I'm overqualified.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Nov 7 at 2015 3:44 PM

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Your not overthinking it trust me.
It sucks that these guys say they are ex military and they want to hire a veteran and then you never hear anything back.
I know everyone keeps saying to just keep pushing and something will happen, its just very frustrating.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2015 2:37 AM

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I have done the same thing in 2 different states. (applied to AT&T cable company). Both times I was told I was "Over qualified".
I asked the second time and was told "We don't want to pay you, what you think you are worth". Then give me entry position and lets see how it goes. But that goes along with "Wonder how long he will be here before he leaves for a better paying job" or "when will he replace a boss, due to his extensive training". Seems to be a double edge gamble?

Response by SPC Joseph Plunkett made Nov 12 at 2015 10:12 AM

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You were probably overqualified. I assume they were looking for young men/women out of college or high school. Generally, when you see "Entry Level", hiring managers are looking for people right out of college or high school I am willing to bet that if the position was for a manager, or supervisor, you would have been top of the list.

Response by MSG D. Layne-Sheffield made Dec 16 at 2015 9:06 AM

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SFC Gordon, hang in there, something will come through for you. As others have previously stated, you're over-qualified for that position. Companies are looking for someone long-term. With your experience and knowledge, you have an advantage over the others, and will soon be looking to advance. I have gone on interviews and was told that I wouldn't fit because I had a degree and that most of the employees in that particular office did not.
Best wishes!!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2015 9:09 AM

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Overqualified. They don't think you will stay. Companies don't feel it is in their best interest to train someone who will likely not stay very long.

Response by SSG Audwin Scott made Dec 16 at 2015 9:20 AM

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Because you have over 23 years of experience puts you into the category of being over qualified. They are looking at someone they can groom and pay minimum amount of money too. They know that you are a leader a dedicated one at that, so they see you as a threat to someone that want remain with them long because when a better opportunity present's itself to you, 9 out of 10 you will take it.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Dec 17 at 2015 11:19 AM

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I would recommend going back and asking the interviewers for an honest critique of the interview and ask them what you could do better for future interviews. This shows you want to make improvements, and they give you an honest assessment. You may have unknowingly intimidated them, been overqualified, used to much military jargon, or they could get someone else with no experience for far less. The reasons why can vary greatly, don't dwell on it too much but correct the actions and move forward.

Response by SSgt Carl B. made Dec 18 at 2015 12:23 PM

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There are many candidates to choose from both veterans and non-veterans and the company made a decision another candidate was a better fit for their needs. There are many reasons for being turned down - Over-Qualified right at the top, also many people our passed over due to not being a personality fit. Being hired in the civilian world is a competition and it can be difficult to understand why one person is hired vs. another. Hang in there and look for an employer that respects your 23 years of experience and has a job that's a better match for your skill set. It may take a while but you'll be more satisfied with the job in the long term. Good Luck.

Response by SCPO Charles Thomas "Tom" Canterbury made Dec 20 at 2015 2:17 PM

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Having just retired with 22 years of experience - I think there is a lot of companies who know that you have a myriad of experience and supervisory skills that make you overqualified for a basic job. I've also heard that lots of companies see you applying for this job and figure that you are going to bail at the first sign of a higher paying one.

It's weird being out after having a steady job and paycheck for this amount of time. I'm waiting to hear back on two jobs now and only have a part time gig teaching Medical Assistants at Miller-Motte Technical College. One of my interviewers was retired NG who had done many years in the USAF and asked me how I feel I would do with this job after having some of the assignments I've had which were no doubt way more challenging and I responded with the fact that I was happy with my decision to retire and was ready to work in a civilian organization within the specific job position.

I don't think they should be so shy towards your application to this particular job but have seen it myself. Sometimes it bothers me because everyone wants to wave that flag and say they support the troops until we are there looking to them for a job.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 1:44 PM

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Because the company probably considered you to be over-qualified for the position. I know it sounds obnoxious to think that but honestly with you experience, training and time in your profession via military, they would have to pay you more based on what you have brought to the table. A lot of companies don't want ot have to pay more for a position that would seem basic. I don't know if the position was a basic level career but I've had been looked over several times because of my background in the military. They would see that I would have made an x-amount of money and would want that and yet the company can't provide; hince why they do not offer the job. It's how civilian workers do things now a days. Wishing that I still stayed active while I had the chance to re-enlist.

Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Dec 21 at 2015 2:13 PM

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It happened to me as well except mine wasn't an entry level position. When I applied, I go the interview, the call back interview, and the second call back. During the last interview they asked me a question about a project and how I would handle it. I told them about the way I would handle with respect to project management and on time production etc. Come to find out down the road (from an insider friend) why I didn't get the job, the senior guys I was interviewing with mentioned they were threatened that I knew more than they did and would end up taking their jobs so they didn't hire me. Not what was best for the company.

I also had a friend that just wanted a 40 hour work week selling appliances. For 24 years they were go go go and on call so that when they retired they just wanted a job where the stress was low but paid decent. They couldn't get hired because they were overqualified or the hiring authority stated they thought it wasn't worth their time because they would only be there for a brief time and then move on. What they don't realize is that when we retire from the military, all we want is a job. We wouldn't apply for it if we didn't want it or didn't think we could do it. Plus having the military background, we can train up to just about anything.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 2:41 PM

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agree with PO1 John Miller on this one. You are overqualified. I had this issue my last 'working' year as a nurse. I had put in my Resume SIX times...6; finally went into the Director of Nursing's Office and confronted her. She said, I have seen your resumes and apps, I cannot hire you, you are too experienced. I could hire 3 nurses for what I would have to pay you. I HAVE to pay you for your experience. I cannot. It's a business decision. Sorry....Experience doesn't mean anything anymore.

Response by CW3 Jim Norris made Dec 21 at 2015 2:41 PM

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You're more horse power than they needed for the position. On several occasions I have hired retired military for entry level IT positions and had them become very dissatisfied within a very short period of time. I know when your 'unemployed' at retirement the need to have 'something' is almost a manic need. Slow down a little and network and keep active in your community and with volunteer organizations, you'll be amazed at the number of influential people you'll be rubbing elbows with....and that my friend is the key - who you know, at least as much as what you know....I learned to write letters to those more than qualified applicants telling them the 'why' they were not selected - it was for the good of the team and themselves.....Keep going sarge, you'll do fine.....God Bless and Merry Christmas....

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 21 at 2015 5:27 PM

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The Job Frustration

Many great posts to your situation and unfortunately many will endure even after. This is a lifelong process trying to find the right combination of words laid out on the application translated to our resume with the word ready to role from our mouth like thunder and rain.

I’m blessed, undeservingly bless but I thank God above anyways for His everlasting patience with me.

Earlier this year I took the ACAP (SFL-TAP) 5-day class in the last week of February and during this time when Fort Bragg (FBNC) hardly ever receives snow, did. After a years tour in Korea, returned back to FBNC knowing though I had 14-months, I only had 10-months due to an enormous amount of leave.

A bit annoyed and frustrated as I was assigned to a deploying unit, trying to have my surgeries completed prior to my retirement, I was unable to attend until February for ACAP. Therefore, after completing and dealing with an array of other situations, reminded myself what I had essentially told many a the past few years, that God was going to bless me in one of two ways. First, promoted to Sergeant Major with an extension of time. This means I still must face the inevitable to retire from active duty service. The second, with a position that will allow me to fulfill His will and take care of my family to which I have miserable failed over the years but thankful He and my family stills love me to be in my life.

The essence to which you’re asking what this has to do with your situation… Faith! I applied for seven or twelve jobs max. Had many of the same results, even one stated over the phone why he is even interviewing me as I’m over qualified. But he went on to say or at least lead me to believe it shouldn’t be an issue as I would perfectly mentality wise fit within the organization as well. Believing and being reassured, I let many other offers fade away, keeping close to two that were promising when I was sent an email stating I wasn’t no longer considered due to being over qualified. Jobs want your commitment but they don’t give the same in return. Therefore I reverted back to the original that was still fighting through its contract for funding of its approved bid. While waiting, another company every other day continued to reach out to me for a position which I let loose 5-days to flying as the original position promised came to fruition.

I will say, if you’ve a high-level security clearance, this will work wonders for contract positions. I know, they’re not promised day-to-day, but they are a door in to provide employment and financial security while you consider other options if the position awarded isn’t for you and your family desire.

Some advise given to me during my initial search was that many jobs will not unveil itself to you until you’re real close to getting out, this was the case for my family and me. The other factor that helped me was having a mentor, one who had already made the leap and landed securely in a position. They then helped me tweak my resume that began getting serious hits though many stated my resume format was improper. But when you’re getting offers close too and almost double your military pay, you’ll be a bit hesitant to alter your resume as to what I explained to many facilities that help Soldiers with their resume including our community college.

If you’re still in, take advantage of all the resources available at your installation. Make yor counselor work for you! They have a job, you don’t! Utilize ACS and its resources, USO, Unemployment Office, Job Fairs, and VCTP. These are just a few. Here through our unemployment office (NC Works.gov), they offer an voucher to take one of three Vocational Tech Programs through FTCC. They also have some courses you can do online through ALLISON and was able to sign-up for ResCare through my counselor to take course and certifications up to $8,000.

LinkedIn and Lynda.com offer a 12-months Free subscriptions for Soldiers and Vets. This is a very helpful and priceless tool we all should take advantage of.

Forgive the lengthy response and hopefully I didn’t hit too many could balls but if I can be of assistance, reach out and let me know through RP or LinkedIn.

VR,
Ishan

Response by SSG Mike Angelo made Dec 21 at 2015 7:13 PM

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Companies like the military organization want young, so they can grow with the company with longevity. Your age may have been a factor in the decision of new hires. They wont say that because it is illegal, however, companies and firms like em young. Also, veterans have a stigma of being loose cannons or unexploded rounds, also illegal. Now here is one that I stumbled on...bilingual. They wont come out and say it when it was their choice to hire, however, I put in for a municipal job, had all the Q's but they chose a bilingual who just came to the US a few years ago...

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Dec 21 at 2015 7:39 PM

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I see several things from this. Did you get interviewed by your potential supervisor? It is possible you might be a threat to his job. The company hires vets, but really want the guys after their 1st tour, younger. You are over qualified. Yes this happens to many retirees. Just my take.

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Dec 21 at 2015 7:41 PM

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Try John Deere careers

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Dec 21 at 2015 9:27 PM

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( I realize this post is six months old) SFC Derrick Gordan - The civilian workplace, especially the Fortune 500 companies, have little to No experience in understanding the benefit of hiring a 20 year+ veteran. There is a distinct possibility you were a victim of age discrimination. Let's say you are 43 and the other candidates were 23. (Just an example) The HR team and/or the hiring manager are thinking that in roughly 20 years you will retire to Social Security plus whatever pension plan they may have for employees that served 20 years. They may also figure you might be reluctant to change whereas the 23 year is ready for anything. The hiring manager may give you a Thumbs Down because he fears with your leadership ability you will outshine Him/Her in a very short period.
The VA could help us all if they would produce a two-sided glossy paper about what a veteran brings outside their MOS and mail those twice annually to the Fortune 500 firms. They just DON'T KNOW what they are passing up. I am speaking from experience Inside those firms, they are the bulk of my client base and we have discussed this topic.
Thanks and Good Luck,
Rick

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 12:23 AM

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I've had this happen to me several times over the past several months. I would apply for a Supply Technician position, which is 99.9999% exactly what I did in the military, yet I would be deemed "Not qualified". Personally, I think it's a huge joke to even try to get something on a base in order to give back to the current service-members. It's sad that talent is so arbitrarily discarded.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 12:33 PM

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I know this respond is a bit late. but I can share my experience.

for over qualified problem, you must demonstrate your ability to work under someone not as "qualified" as you, mean you know how to play workplace politic. than you also must demonstrate work loyalty that you will not go for another job just because of better paid, for example telling them the travel distance is a very important condition you consider that job or something like that. Third, play you are stupid but you learn fast role.

:) hope this will help.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 22 at 2015 12:43 PM

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The civilian world is stupid. Its dog eat dog out in the civilian sector. Every man for himself. There is no honor, loyaly, or selflessness.

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Dec 22 at 2015 3:10 PM

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I have been in your shoes, and have the belief that the lack of age and experience is one of the requirements, because young people are able to grow with the company and are more flexible to change; face it we are stubborn and no better.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Dec 22 at 2015 3:40 PM

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You can be sued for age discriminate by saying someone is too old, not so much if you say over qualified. Its the same when you reach the golden age of 50, if you haven't made it to top management, you are expensive baggage.

Response by MSG Anthony Makar made Dec 22 at 2015 4:12 PM

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Don't feel bad brother. I too with 22 years of service can not find employment that is meaningful. Recently I was turned down from a packaging company as a manger in training as well as number of other various positions. In my opinion Companies advertise vet friendly yadda, yadda but it is all Public Relations, feel good stories. I landed a job at Sears as an entry level position, 3 years later I'm still there because now I'm told I do not have enough experience. Basically they want me to have about 5-10 years in position to be able to move up at that rate i will be eligible for Social security. Its funny though they will hire College grads into positions I apply for but I have not enough experience.

Response by CPT John M. O'Connor made Dec 22 at 2015 6:00 PM

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I can explain this in a number of ways. Do not take this personally and I know it doesn't make sense but some companies are looking for fits and they simply may think that you are overqualified and would not stay.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Dec 23 at 2015 9:47 AM

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You threaten them just by existing. I don't mean physically, either. I can tell you that by two lines in your resume that you put in above. They don't want to hire their competition for a position, or maybe their boss if you beat them out for a job in the future. Took me years to figure that one out.

Maybe we could get a law passed that says one can't discriminate based on all the things on there now like, race, age, etc and add "or degree of fear caused the hiring authority based on excessive ability".

I left this one for a while and re-reading below, saw several others saying the same thing.

Response by Cpl David E. Jenkins Jr. made Dec 23 at 2015 11:12 AM

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A lot of companies want you to have certifications. I help Veterans with employment training and placement in the NYC area. If anyone needs assistance please contact me at [login to see] ex. 203. Happy Holidays!

Response by SFC Dave Wynn made Dec 23 at 2015 12:32 PM

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I think we as retired veterans scare the hell out of the civilians. For a few reasons. First our work ethics, Second our can do attitude, also we don't use the words I can't. They are afraid we will make them look bad which in todays world is not really hard. Plus they just don't know how to take us we have our own language that only other vets would understand.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 24 at 2015 10:08 AM

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The over qualified problem is most likely however there are a couple of other possibilities:
1. Age. Yes, it sucks... however managers are sometimes uncomfortable managing people their parents age. There may also be questions about the physical nature of the job. If the job is physically demanding and your in your 50's, management may perceive there is a higher risk that you'll be injured or unable to do he work for very long.
2. Fit. I've had some great interviews with some good people who had very powerful personalities. While I enjoyed meeting those people and in some cases would have liked hiring them, I also recognized that they wouldn't fit in well with the current workplace culture. I learned this lesson the hard way, and have gotten a lot more cautious as I gained experience.

Response by PO1 Kenneth Cardwell made Dec 24 at 2015 11:35 AM

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Some employees think ex military are too strict. I was passed over as a manger of Denny because the company said military managers are too strict and too military! That was his reason. he said in 5 years I would be the idea candidate because then I would have that so called military hype out of my system!

Response by PO1 Bill Adams made Dec 24 at 2015 4:10 PM

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I had the same problem when I first got out. I even wound up working overseas in Saudi before I found I found a real job.

Even tried temp companies, that paid me minimum wage, and who knows what they charged the company they rented me to. Pretty quickly became supervisor of a group of woodworkers there, still at minimum wage. Being the only person there that understood that the 1/4 inch mark on the ruler was the same thing as .25 inches helped there.

Best advice I can give is, Hang in there, keep looking, take any job you can, and then prove them right, keep looking for a better job. :)

Response by SGM Mike Bachini made Dec 24 at 2015 4:59 PM

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Unfortunately "NCO" means no chance out side when looking for a job. Think about this, a college graduate who has been working in a similar field, as a civilian want to join the army. He expects his experience should count for something and he should come in as SSG or SFC. Would we accept that in the service? Nope. So the same applies on the outside I would imagine. That's why we should network and help other veterans out when transitioning. Good luck with your job hunt and don't give up!

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Dec 24 at 2015 7:57 PM

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if you really want the answer... you're "over qualified" for any entry level position... I hope you don't take offense at it. B.S. in IT? set your sights a little higher!

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Dec 24 at 2015 9:10 PM

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I agree that you are probably not being hired because you are over qualified. I had that problem for a long time. I couldn't convince people that I didn't want their job. All that I was looking for was something to keep me busy because I was bored sitting on my ass at home. I was finally told by one HR person that if I ever wanted to find a job I needed to down grade my resume a bunch and leave off some education and my salary history. No matter what you tell them most managers will think that what you actually want is their job.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2015 2:48 AM

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When they say "Entry Level Position" They mean Entry Level Pay, they want someone with experience willing to work for cheap.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2015 10:55 PM

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I bet it is because they felt threatened by your qualifications.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2015 10:50 PM

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I agree with SGT. La Branche SFC Gordon...do not give up! they see you as a threat!

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2015 12:41 AM

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Several reasons are plausible however You were most likely over qualified, another reason could be that they wanted someone younger or more in need of the job thinking they would stay around longer.

Response by SGT Adrian Thompson made Dec 27 at 2015 9:07 AM

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To me, being a veteran seems to have very little bearing on getting civilian employment. One thing people might be looking for is young candidates who haven't been leaders for 2 decades. Some employers believe that if you're overqualified, you will leave them as soon as another position becomes available to you, and they would prefer to have someone that will stick around with minimum pay, etc.

Response by SSG Mike Angelo made Dec 27 at 2015 9:30 AM

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Go apply for the US Postal Service. Great place to work especially in IT or IS...and ur 23 yrs adds to USPS time for retirement at 67 yrs

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2015 3:48 PM

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As a suggestion for the future, when you apply for a job in which you may be over qaualified, be excited about starting something new and applying your skills in a different way. People understand that.

Response by CDR Kenneth Kaiser made Dec 28 at 2015 1:31 PM

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Don't take it personally. There are several reasons. They may have had someone in mind and advertised just for EEO purposes. (i.e. to show that they interviewed several candidates and then selected they wanted to begin with), they may have selected someone younger so that they could retain them longer in the position rather than one over qualified who would be promoted out of the position in a short time meaning they would have to start the process all over again, there are several reasons.

So lets look at some alternatives for you. You have a degree, you have experience so why not utilize it. (that is a rhetorical question, not an insult) Try some of these other sites that are looking for experienced folks If there is a chapter of Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association (AFCEA) in your area look into joining. Network within that organization. They have exhibitions so you might attend those as well. Vendors are there and it is a good opportunity to network. Look for other organizations of professionals. If you have a clearance or recently had one that is a marketable asset. You shouldn't be looking at entry level positions I say that from a practical standpoint. Raises etc are based upon your current salary. a fifteen percent raise of an entry level salary (highly unlikely) is not as much as a five percent raise on a mid level salary so it is going to take you a long time to get where you want to be based upon merit. Why not start there in the first place? Also when you are looking make a list of firms you would like to work for. Prioritize them. Start looking at the bottom of the list and work up. By the time you get to the ones you really want to work for you are comfortable in interviews, you know what is happening in the arena, and you have an idea of what you are worth. Finally do not forget the two critical questions: " Do you (potential employer) have any questions about my capabilities or qualifications that might keep you from hiring me?" and if things do not look good "Now that we have talked and you know me better, do you know of anyone who might be interested in a person with my skill set?" The first question gives you the opportunity to address their concerns while you are there rather than leave them with the concerns unanswered, It also allows you to know what maybe you need to emphasize more in future interviews. The second one allows you to network and build up contacts.. Do not let them say that they will call. See if you can get the name of a contact or contacts and say that you know that they (the individual you are talking to) are busy and you don't want to take their time or something like that. Finally don't give up. You can do this. I learned these lessons and others the hard way and like to share so that others can do better than I did at the outset vice wasting time learning them on the job.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Dec 28 at 2015 2:50 PM

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SFC Derrick Gordon Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
I would call the company back, let them know you are interested in any feedback they are willing to share then move on to the next opportunity.
You will find that most civilian employers will not allow you the same range of responsibilities you had in the military. Keep trying, persistence is the key.

Response by PO1 John Juarez made Dec 29 at 2015 11:17 AM

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One word.......Over qualified. Many in the civilian world are intimidated and scared of someone coming in better trained and more skillful. They see you as a threat.

Response by SGT Larry Prentice made Jan 6 at 2016 10:05 PM

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I have personally run into this problem. I was told by one company that, "we can't afford to pay you what we feel you are worth". I wasn't sure what to say to this so, I said "Thank you for your time and considering me". First time in my life I was OVER qualified for a position.

Response by MSG Anthony Makar made Jan 7 at 2016 4:59 PM

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This has happened to 3 times.

Response by Kim Bolen RN CCM ACM made Jan 21 at 2016 11:09 AM

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You are not over qualified for an IT position. Perhaps it was not the right job for you. You will find a better one.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2016 12:17 PM

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1. Don't give up. 2. I agree with many here. With a BS degree and 23 years experience you are vastly over-qualified for an entry level job at a cable TV company. I'm sure their fear is that you would not be satisfied in the position for long and would be looking for another job. Then when you leave they have to invest time/money training another new guy.

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made Jan 21 at 2016 1:01 PM

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SFC Gordon,
I want to start by tanking you for your service, your 23 years of dedication and commitment to our great nation. I want to start by telling you that I truly understand your frustration. I retired with over 30 years of military service, completed my bachelor’s degree in Aviation Maintenance Management and my Master (MBA) degree in Military Operations and Logistics. I had applied and interview for several positions that with my experience and qualification, I too thought it was a given. Wrong. I interview for over 27 position right after my retirement. The number of years as a service member, can be a discrimination to you (service member) as well.
In some of them, I was told I was the best candidate and my interview results will be given to the hiring manager for final approval. Well, I did not get any of them. What I would said is that the “Good old boy system” still alive and well. In one occasion, I was referred to a position that my resume was used (with my permission) to list the position. I applied thinking “I am in” boy did I was wrong. Didn’t get the position. The “we hire military” slogan does not work. The way I see it, those entitled with doing the interview, see themselves as expendable when a more qualified individual walks in the doors. Even “friends” when they see themselves in this situation, their routine answer to your request for help is “go in the website”.
In several interviews the first question asked was the rank that I retired with. After answering with (E-9) they follow by telling me that they retired as an E-6 or E-7, I knew them that it was over. The military works force has a system, if you in, you are made. If not, is hard to get in. It seen to be like you must have a “godfather” on your side. I am not bitter or mad about it, it is what it is. When I applied for several jobs, was not my intention to be in charge of nothing/nobody. I just wanted a job that my experience and skill could be used to serve others and make a difference.
My advice for future service members that are contemplating retirement is to create a network, get in with the hiring managers, learn other traits besides those acquired during the military service. If follow this advice, you will be in great shape. If any service member is contemplating a job with the civil service as a “GS”, Wherever you (service member) do not retired in other location and move. Your expectation that you will have an easy transition into the new location is farce/wrong. On trend that I learn if the “GS” management do not want you is the term “position frozen”. It means that a hiring freeze was place in effect temporarily and they can’t do anything about it. In the meantime, friends that you may know that have applied for the same position were hire while you waited.
Finally, if you (service member) decides to join the contractor life, remember last in, first out. Everything has not been negative, I had several breakthrough and for that I thanks those supervisors that gave me the opportunity.

Response by CW2 Stacy Sheard made Jan 21 at 2016 1:18 PM

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Always send a pleasant follow-up email (when you can) after an interview. Thank them for their time, and take that opportunity to ask for feedback and guidance.
The next piece of advice I would give you is - attend conferences and events in your field of interest. It will afford you the opportunity to meet people - these connections can take you far (perhaps not immediately, but over time). Events like this are an investment in your future.

Response by SGT Andrew Goetsch made Jan 21 at 2016 1:48 PM

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You intimidate people. Particularly wimpy people. It's not good or bad or something that can be fixed. It's just the way it is. It will be good in the long run, because the person who does hire you will be someone you'll be much happier working for.

Response by LCpl Domingo Ariza made Jan 21 at 2016 1:52 PM

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One of the biggest problems that I see in the employment world is vets selling themselves short. I am going to play this out for you in a different light. Imagine if you will, a CEO of a company finding himself out of work, that same CEO is not going to apply for entry level positions. Even if he did he would most likely be overlooked. You my friend with 23 years in the service should be looking for middle management positions, do not sell yourself short. The mentality is "well I know nothing of cable TV so I must start at the bottom" this is not a well played move, you have a wealth of leadership experience, use that to get a job, focus on that, and a company will show you the ropes of the operation of their company after the fact. The last thing I will lay out there is, during the Interview process it is imperative to focus on only the positive aspects of the military experience. So many times a service member will focus on the deployment experience and even though the interviewer will be amused, they will be off put. Companies do not want to know about our combat actions, and our success over the enemy. The truly last thing, then I am out is education do not sell yourself short on this either, if you need to go to college do so ASAP, it will help you more then you know no matter what age you are, if you lack a degree get one.

Response by Dee Tolver, CPC made Jan 21 at 2016 4:59 PM

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You are "over qualified". Entry-level positions are usually for individuals that are unable think for themselves. With 23 years of military service they are afraid that you will question the usually mindless, thoughtless decisions management will make.

Response by MCPO Roger Collins made Jan 21 at 2016 5:38 PM

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Keep the pity party going and I will have to provide my 2 cents worth in the discussion.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2016 8:41 PM

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This happened to my dad when he retired. Companies will often pass you over because they feel you will use it as a stepping stone or wait until something better comes along. Continue to look for things that you enjoy and the opportunity will afford itself.

Response by CSM Felipe Mendez made Jan 28 at 2016 11:52 AM

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Keep head up, feet forward and you will reach your goals.

Response by CW2 Stacy Sheard made Feb 5 at 2016 1:28 AM

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Truly, the first question should be, "Why would someone with 23 years of experience - be interviewing for an entry-level position?" I'm sure this wasn't your intent - but you've created your own problem. Chin up, and aim for a higher position.

Response by CW2 Stacy Sheard made Feb 5 at 2016 1:33 AM

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Attend IT Conferences and network (meet people) within your industry. You need a job a bit higher up, & for that you need to know people in the industry...then the jobs will start to materialize.

Response by Vikki Nicometo made Feb 9 at 2016 2:26 PM

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I worked in corporate recruiting for nearly 20 years (including hiring numerous vets). Most of the folks have given you PART of the story - i.e. being over qualified. But that's about more than qualifications. It also includes compensation (if you take a big pay cut just to get a job, they assume you'll keep looking) but let's not also rule out a biggie - cultural fit! For some companies, if they are interviewing a candidate who has been in the military for a very long time, they might perceive that candidate as rigid, inflexible, etc. If the company culture is more laid back, you might not be a good fit. Remember: the culture of the company matters too!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2016 2:39 PM

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You had more qualifications than maybe your new boss and its a treat to job security.

Response by PO2 Michael Henry made Apr 24 at 2016 10:23 PM

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Over qualified... Resume needs to fit the job description to a T. Let them find out the rest of the details after you are hired.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jul 2 at 2016 7:25 PM

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SFC Derrick Gordon - Checking back to see if something finally developed for you and how you are doing. There did appear to be a few good responses to your question on RP. Pls update. Thanks

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Jul 6 at 2016 3:06 AM

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Welcome to the Private Sector. As you are undoubtedly aware, it's a bit of culture shock for people coming from a military background where you say what you mean, and mean what you say, and the pecking order is easily identifiable... to where you have to second-guess whether or not you are being told the truth by your bosses, and the pecking order is something you have to feel out and it isn't necessarily the same as the org chart. Don't assume anyone has an appreciation for what you did in the military. Some might, but it helps to stay humble. You are starting back at almost ground zero and for a person that is used to being in charge that can be a hard pill to swallow. Also, people tend to take offense at anyone or anything that might threaten their job security. Be careful lest you get burned.

Response by Col Dona Marie Iversen made Jul 13 at 2016 12:46 AM

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Over educated, over qualified, high standards = you are a threat! God closes one door and others will open!

Response by SPC Mike Lambert made May 26 at 2018 9:49 AM

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I agree with the other comments. Over qualified, which I also had issues with many several times. I never was able to use a thing learned in my army time besides discipline and hard work ethic. I made a life doing construction over 25 years now. And despite extensive knowledge of electronics AND home construction I’m still, and possibly more so, over qualified to install cable or internet. Six more years I retire with memories and suppressed anger.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Jul 14 at 2018 9:54 AM

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Sometimes during job interviews, you can tell during the interview if they really want to hire you. I had an interview with Coca Cola, I new after the first minute that I wasn't getting that job. She mispronounced my name twice, I knew then that she was just going through the motions. And another time ( and this one really stung ) I applied for a position at a Subaru car factory. I came with 18 yrs. Of auto manufacturing experience, and I didn't get the job. Later I found out that the main reason I didn't get hired, was during one of the interviews. They asked if anyone had ever held or ran for a Union office? And I remember raising my hand, that was a mistake because I was a threat to both company and the union. I learned that day to not devulge certain things to anyone when vieing for a job.

Response by 1LT B. Long made Jul 14 at 2018 4:25 PM

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SFC Gordon, it's not that you're unqualified for this job, but that you don't fit what the cable company was looking for. You need to aim higher than a lackey entry level position at a cable company who is only looking for young inexperience people to exploit. With a B.S. degree in IT along with your military service experience, you have the right stuff that companies are looking for. Look for IT jobs with big corporations or even the governments, fed, state and local municipalities. They are always looking for good candidates. Never sell yourself short and be proud of your accomplishments. Convey that to the employers and you will succeed. Good luck to you and thank you for your long years of service.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Nov 21 at 2019 7:17 AM

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You were over qualified! I had the same thing happen to me on a couple of occasions. H.R. felt that I would get bored and quit. So they went with someone with less experience but would be more willing and ( grateful ) for the opportunity. And you know what ? She was right.

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Apr 15 at 2021 11:37 PM

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Maybe you are setting your sights too low

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 16 at 2021 12:16 AM

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Experience, work ethic, and dedication scare the hell out of a lot of people. There could be the fear you’ll leave as soon as you find something better or the fear you’ll out shine them. I have over 20 years logistics experience and was looking for jobs to supplement my retirement. No one would hire me for warehouse work. The one that offered me the job told me “you won’t be happy here, with your experience you’ll be bored, etc. etc.”. I turned the job down and told him he’d be looking for reasons to fire me to prove himself right. You’ll find the right fit. Don’t give up. Someone will recognize what you bring to the table.