Fort Campbell, KY
Fort Campbell, KY
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So, my Senior NCO asked me today if he could borrow my car so he can take a trip to visit family (about 2.5 hours away). He said his truck needs a transmission flush and doesn’t trust his truck will make it. He is leaving his truck for me to use. However, I insisted I don’t feel comfortable driving a pick up as I have only ever driven SUVs, but he keeps “pressuring” me to allow him to use my car. I feel like there’s maybe some abuse of power here, even if there isn’t I feel like this is wrong. Can someone shed light for me?
Enlisted
Fort Campbell
Posted 4 mo ago
Responses: 18
Your SNCO can ask.....and you have every right to say NO. If, for whatever reason the SNCO (I am guessing it's your Platoon Sergeant) will NOT stop asking, you need to elevate this to your Platoon Leader. If it just needs a flush, then your SNCO can get it flushed and use his own damn truck for that drive.
Also, there is NO regulation stating you are required to allow the SNCO to use your vehicle.
Also, there is NO regulation stating you are required to allow the SNCO to use your vehicle.
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SGM (Join to see)
Asking a subordinate once is not technically wrong, but is still wrong. He should ask his
peers and only his peers.
Asking after you said no is contrary to the NCO Creed, ch 4-14 of AR 600-20, and probably a half dozen other pubs.
peers and only his peers.
Asking after you said no is contrary to the NCO Creed, ch 4-14 of AR 600-20, and probably a half dozen other pubs.
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Yes, prohibited ...
AR 600-20, para 4-14 (1), (2), (3), (4) apply.
And if I were to have seen that, educated the NCO, and they continued. The commander and I would work with the BN and BDE CSM's and Commanders to rid the Army of the NCO forever.
b. Soldiers of different grades must be cognizant that their interactions do not create an actual or clearly predictable perception of undue familiarity between an officer and an enlisted Soldier, or between an NCO and a junior enlisted Soldier. Examples of familiarity between Soldiers that may become “undue” can include repeated visits to bars, nightclubs, eating establishments, or homes between an officer and an enlisted Soldier, or an NCO and a junior enlisted Soldier, except for social gatherings, that involve an entire unit, office, or work section. All relationships between Soldiers of different grades are prohibited if they—
(1) Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command.
(2) Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness.
(3) Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of grade or rank or position for personal gain.
(4) Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature.
(5) Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on discipline, authority, morale, or the ability of the
command to accomplish its mission
AR 600-20, para 4-14 (1), (2), (3), (4) apply.
And if I were to have seen that, educated the NCO, and they continued. The commander and I would work with the BN and BDE CSM's and Commanders to rid the Army of the NCO forever.
b. Soldiers of different grades must be cognizant that their interactions do not create an actual or clearly predictable perception of undue familiarity between an officer and an enlisted Soldier, or between an NCO and a junior enlisted Soldier. Examples of familiarity between Soldiers that may become “undue” can include repeated visits to bars, nightclubs, eating establishments, or homes between an officer and an enlisted Soldier, or an NCO and a junior enlisted Soldier, except for social gatherings, that involve an entire unit, office, or work section. All relationships between Soldiers of different grades are prohibited if they—
(1) Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command.
(2) Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness.
(3) Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of grade or rank or position for personal gain.
(4) Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature.
(5) Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on discipline, authority, morale, or the ability of the
command to accomplish its mission
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SSG Elbert Thomas
Well SGM, it's the "new" Army we are all friends. Don't want to make anyone feel bad by having some one out rank you. /s
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SSG Elbert Thomas
Well, in case you didn't know it the /s means sarcasm, as Rodney King asked "Can't we all just all get along?"
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It is definitely in poor taste but sure he can ask. You can certainly say no. You have absolutely no obligation to let anyone borrow your personal vehicle and if it becomes an issue you should take it to your next leader in line. . Personally I wouldn't lend it to anyone in your Command unless you have a close personal connection and even then that is a big maybe. But lending it to a boss is a no for me.
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SSG Elbert Thomas
I would never lend your POV to anyone, most likely they won't be covered by your insurance.
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