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Cpl Joshua Caldwell
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good explanation of a Terry stop, and of the different jurisdictions that may not require you to produce ID. Here is my tip of the day for the general public. If the police approach you, just act like an adult. More people talk themselves into jail than weasel their way out. The police officer is generally speaking to you because you are out of the pattern, something about you or your behavior is not normal and worthy of a little investigation. That is how lots of crimes are actually solved. You would be amazed by the number of arrests for major crimes that start off with a traffic violation..
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Cpl Joshua Caldwell
Cpl Joshua Caldwell
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just being polite to the police would save a lot of people from legal trouble.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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Capt Gregory Prickett - I never thought I'd see an attorney advocating that anyone represent themselves, especially when they haven't even made it to the courtroom. Cpl Joshua Caldwell gave some very good insight and advice to what "justice" looks like on the street, especially in these days when law enforcement officers have good reason to be nervous. (They are being ambushed with frightening regularity under the resentful glare of public opinion that deems that they deserve it) As Joshua says, act like an adult and facilitate the officer's work, don't impede it with childish arguments and resistance. Help him move on and capture the real culprit. If he oversteps the bounds of his authority, there will be ample opportunity to clear that up and, who knows, you might even win the law suit lottery if they are they incompetent.
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Cpl Joshua Caldwell
Cpl Joshua Caldwell
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I retired from law enforcement in 2012 but I still have a lot of friends who are cops, and they tell me that they (depending on where they work) are afraid to do their job because the politicians have turned on them and the populace is filled with hatred for the cops, it is not a good thing. I hope it changes very quickly. It is bad enough that I slow down when I see the police, to look and see if the officer is in danger. Does he need my help?
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Capt Gregory Prickett
Capt Gregory Prickett
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CPT Jack Durish - I'm not advocating that they represent themselves. They have to positively exercise the right to remain silent and not answer any questions, or their rights are not protected. They have to inform the police that they are not going to consent to a search, or to being detained. A lawyer won't be there to do that for them on the street.

Second, insisting that an officer abide by the Constitution is not childish, it is responsible. People that don't stand up for their rights lose them, and police officers are not the people who will defend those rights for you.

Most lawyers will tell you that once an officer has overstepped, the citizen has an almost impossible task in front of him. The officer gets qualified immunity, so unless it is a crystal clear violation, the citizen gets hosed.
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CPT Jack Durish
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The better question is: Is that a felony or stupidity?

Felony: Remember "MR & MRS LAMB) (Murder, Rape, Manslaughter, Robbery, Sodomy, Larceny, Mayhem, and Burglary)

Stupidity: Arguing with a law enforcement officer over the fine points of the law when he is responding to suspicious activity. Let the judge decide and you may survive to collect a substantial reward for the incompetence of the officer.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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Capt Gregory Prickett - There's a time and a place for everything.
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Capt Gregory Prickett
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CPT Jack Durish - yes, and the initial time is at the scene of the police contact.
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LTC Stephen B.
LTC Stephen B.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the line between misdemeanor and felony a matter of the sentence for a given crime? Misdemeanor if the given sentence is less than one year in jail, a felony for a crime that carries a penalty of 1 year or more. Or does that vary by State?

And neither matter in the instance of a police officer stopping you. The difference comes in when a citizen's arrest is allowed, which is only for felony situations. May also vary by State, but that is what I was taught when I took a part-time gig as a security officer at an office park here in Virginia.
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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LTC Stephen B. - Which came first, the chicken or the egg? Well, felonies generally incur greater punishment than misdemeanors, but the punishment does not define the crime. It is the consequence of the crime.
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