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I like these lines: “Sharia supremacism is not a religion. It is a totalitarian political ideology with a religious veneer. This is the critical distinction — ideology, not religion. If we cannot vet for sharia supremacism because the political establishment decides it is not a political ideology but an Islamic religion entitled to all First Amendment protections, then we cannot protect the country. Period.”
The language of Islamic terror in America
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Well Sharia law isn't religious ideology, it's culture ideology; it's not political ideology. Islam like all other religions should be entitled to First Amendment but aspects of that religion that is mostly culturally enforced can be regulated. Note polygamy of the Mormon religion that was cultural not religious ideology. Incest once considered acceptable in a Christian culture no longer acceptable regardless of mentions of it in religious parables. I do hope the American Muslim culture with generational integration move away from cultural aspects of Sharia that just doesn't fit in American culture.
Interesting premise conveyed in article that Saipov can't be a "Lone Wolf" because wolves run in packs. So next time we have another Dylan Roof or Stephen Paddock or James Fields or non-ISIS related attacker, media, politicians, and law enforcement shouldn't use terms "Lone Wolf". Suspect either acted alone or is directly tied to a group or cell. A suspect who's motivation comes from a radical ideology but planned and acted alone is indeed a single suspect, nothing more.
Interesting premise conveyed in article that Saipov can't be a "Lone Wolf" because wolves run in packs. So next time we have another Dylan Roof or Stephen Paddock or James Fields or non-ISIS related attacker, media, politicians, and law enforcement shouldn't use terms "Lone Wolf". Suspect either acted alone or is directly tied to a group or cell. A suspect who's motivation comes from a radical ideology but planned and acted alone is indeed a single suspect, nothing more.
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MAJ James Woods - Interesting that this actually supports what I state and contend - It is based on religious writings and edicts, plain and simple. Though it is true that some of it is based on the secular, note that within the primary religious document are the basis of the now Islamic Sharia law codification.
If it was purely secular and cultural as some try to claim, then why do they (Muslim AND Jews) not eat pork? And that is a specific secular and cultural edict that has become woven into their religion (of course this includes Judaism as well). So do not hand me that crap about it being cultural, because if it was only cultural, then religion would not be the excuse that they use, they would use the scientific reasoning of trichinosis, but the majority do not.
One other item that definitely ties into this discussion and disagreement - the use of the use of hijabs and other types of Islamic female dress codes. Explain that one IF you can, because most of what the practitioners of that particular societal custom have no idea about the original reasoning behind it.
We can also attribute part of the Hijab fallacy on Christianity also, but is no longer practiced for the most part due to its cultural and societal change over the same period, and the Catholic Church will point to 1 Corinthians 11:4-6 - 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
If it was purely secular and cultural as some try to claim, then why do they (Muslim AND Jews) not eat pork? And that is a specific secular and cultural edict that has become woven into their religion (of course this includes Judaism as well). So do not hand me that crap about it being cultural, because if it was only cultural, then religion would not be the excuse that they use, they would use the scientific reasoning of trichinosis, but the majority do not.
One other item that definitely ties into this discussion and disagreement - the use of the use of hijabs and other types of Islamic female dress codes. Explain that one IF you can, because most of what the practitioners of that particular societal custom have no idea about the original reasoning behind it.
We can also attribute part of the Hijab fallacy on Christianity also, but is no longer practiced for the most part due to its cultural and societal change over the same period, and the Catholic Church will point to 1 Corinthians 11:4-6 - 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
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SPC David S. - Yes when fundamentalists distort their religion to radical teaching points is indeed a problem.
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SSG Robert Webster - You're dancing around the cultural argument so badly it hurts. There are different sects of Islam and Christianity because of cultural and fundamental application. How else do you explain Protestants, Catholics, Evangelicals, Mormons, etc. spreading differing teachings all under the auspices of Christianity. Or that only men in Christianity can "spread the word of God" isn't cultural fundamentalism of a patriarchal society. So yeah, cultural dynamics have been woven into the religious teachings in different societies and as I stated before if Sharia Law was purely religious edict, it wouldn't be redefined and implemented differently in the various forms of Islamic cultures (Sunni, Shi'ite, Sufi, etc).
We're done here.
We're done here.
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The challenges of Islam need to be confronted head on.
I feel we are treating Islam very similar to how we treated communism - we lied to ourselves by separating the brutal regimes, forced collectivization, concentration camps or gulags, mass murder from the ideology of Communism. We are repeating our failures in part due to our founding principles - in protecting freedom of religion. By doing so we are once again separating forced conversion, religiously-sanctioned sex slavery, beheadings and Sharia supremacism from the ideology behind Islam.
Many Americans are waking up to the fact that we are watching the demise of our beloved country. Trump in many ways can be viewed as America's last stand at the Alamo. Slowly but surely American sovereignty is slipping away, and to the shock of America’s most die-hard patriots, the masses seem willing to accept it. This is in part due to people being bogged down in the illusion of debate, blaming each other’s politics under the false pretext of a two party system, of which we were duly warned to avoid by our founding fathers. Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans, while those claiming to be intellectually superior sit in the middle as independents. With the help of the television media, the powers that be keep us distracted with petty issues which demand solutions that when enacted, only further enslave us and strip more of our liberty away. Look at the Russian efforts to undermine our election yet who are we blaming - each other. Its sickening. Yet we claim victory in the Cold War.
We are still at war with Russian and always have been as the ideology of communism was never defeated. The Berlin Wall was a pyrrhic victory as much of how we won the Cold War has circled back around in the form of Islamic terrorism.
We are repeating same failed strategy - invading where there is a risk of (insert incompatible ideology here). Looks good in the short term but in long term this is a failed approach as the ideology is never fully affected. This failure is only compounded in the use of social media in supporting or propagating ideologies. Again look at the last election. I feel confident in saying many social media organizations were or are nothing more than a front created and supported by Russian government. Look at the terrorist attack - using social media as a means in supporting a borderless war.
We need to engage more from a psychological approach - less bombs and more mind f'ing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/29/us/politics/in-battle-to-defang-isis-us-targets-its-psychology-.html
I feel we are treating Islam very similar to how we treated communism - we lied to ourselves by separating the brutal regimes, forced collectivization, concentration camps or gulags, mass murder from the ideology of Communism. We are repeating our failures in part due to our founding principles - in protecting freedom of religion. By doing so we are once again separating forced conversion, religiously-sanctioned sex slavery, beheadings and Sharia supremacism from the ideology behind Islam.
Many Americans are waking up to the fact that we are watching the demise of our beloved country. Trump in many ways can be viewed as America's last stand at the Alamo. Slowly but surely American sovereignty is slipping away, and to the shock of America’s most die-hard patriots, the masses seem willing to accept it. This is in part due to people being bogged down in the illusion of debate, blaming each other’s politics under the false pretext of a two party system, of which we were duly warned to avoid by our founding fathers. Republicans blame Democrats and Democrats blame Republicans, while those claiming to be intellectually superior sit in the middle as independents. With the help of the television media, the powers that be keep us distracted with petty issues which demand solutions that when enacted, only further enslave us and strip more of our liberty away. Look at the Russian efforts to undermine our election yet who are we blaming - each other. Its sickening. Yet we claim victory in the Cold War.
We are still at war with Russian and always have been as the ideology of communism was never defeated. The Berlin Wall was a pyrrhic victory as much of how we won the Cold War has circled back around in the form of Islamic terrorism.
We are repeating same failed strategy - invading where there is a risk of (insert incompatible ideology here). Looks good in the short term but in long term this is a failed approach as the ideology is never fully affected. This failure is only compounded in the use of social media in supporting or propagating ideologies. Again look at the last election. I feel confident in saying many social media organizations were or are nothing more than a front created and supported by Russian government. Look at the terrorist attack - using social media as a means in supporting a borderless war.
We need to engage more from a psychological approach - less bombs and more mind f'ing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/29/us/politics/in-battle-to-defang-isis-us-targets-its-psychology-.html
In Battle to Defang ISIS, U.S. Targets Its Psychology
Officials acknowledge they have barely made a dent in the larger, longer-term campaign to kill the ideology that animates the terrorist movement.
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If you want to have some fun reading, find a few articles on both the Charlottesville attack by that white supremacists and compare them to this islamic terror attack. Oh the joys of spin and sensational vs marginalizing language.
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