Posted on Aug 24, 2020
Police in Wisconsin shoot Black man in back multiple times, sparking protests
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Really? This doesn't look good for the police. No body cameras but another bystander catches something that seems like it would very hard to justify.
This is why people are protesting, looting, rioting, taking a knee, you name it. This has got to stop.
This is why people are protesting, looting, rioting, taking a knee, you name it. This has got to stop.
Police in Wisconsin shoot Black man in back multiple times, sparking protests
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It is too soon for people to jump to conclusions, especially riots when you don't know what happened or why.
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SPC Kevin Ford
MSG (Join to see) - Police have made statements that turned out to be wrong and lie all the time. Now with video, they are getting caught but that hasn't stopped many from protecting their own or hiding from accountability. I'm not saying that two wrongs make a right, everything you mention doesn't matter to a lot of the public anymore. Until the policing community cleans up their act, there is nothing that they say that isn't able to be verified by an independent source like video that's worth a damn.
So yes, rushes to judgement, unjust accusations, people trying to set the police up for legal issues, etc. All happening and it sucks. Maybe if they don't like it, they should stop allowing their fellow officers to do it to the common citizenry. Seriously, I'm just out of sympathy here.
So yes, rushes to judgement, unjust accusations, people trying to set the police up for legal issues, etc. All happening and it sucks. Maybe if they don't like it, they should stop allowing their fellow officers to do it to the common citizenry. Seriously, I'm just out of sympathy here.
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SPC Kevin Ford -
I'm guessing you have never been a police officer. You are making broad assumptions based on what you have seen or heard on TV, social media, word of mouth, etc. Things are not as simple as you make it.
Police officers are similar to the military. If someone called you a war criminal, a rapist, a murderer, or a thief because they have read the news and constantly see service members being charged with crimes, and you having been a service member means you must have done the same things, you would know that out of the millions of people who were in the service, only a fraction committed any crimes. Because of that, you would rightfully be upset at the accusations.
This is especially true with law enforcement. In most agencies, it is far more difficult to be a police officer than to join the military. You can not be hired unless you have a clean criminal, credit, and driving history. You have to pass numerous tests including psychological. At every step, there is a high failure rate.
The vast majority of officers have never committed crimes, do their job everyday with little thanks, and try to be diligent in their jobs.
If you look at almost every job and profession, you will find at least a small percentage of employees who commit criminal acts or misconduct. This goes for police officers, attorneys, soldiers, clerks, priests, etc
While I am all for cleaning up the police community, I am still waiting for someone, anyone, to come up with solutions to the vast number of people committing criminal acts.
It sounds nice coming from the news and social media that police agencies are going to be reformed, police officers are going to be charged for everything possible, etc.
In the meantime, crime is increasing dramatically after decades of decline. If police are truly the problem, then why does crime increase when police are no longer there?
I'm guessing you have never been a police officer. You are making broad assumptions based on what you have seen or heard on TV, social media, word of mouth, etc. Things are not as simple as you make it.
Police officers are similar to the military. If someone called you a war criminal, a rapist, a murderer, or a thief because they have read the news and constantly see service members being charged with crimes, and you having been a service member means you must have done the same things, you would know that out of the millions of people who were in the service, only a fraction committed any crimes. Because of that, you would rightfully be upset at the accusations.
This is especially true with law enforcement. In most agencies, it is far more difficult to be a police officer than to join the military. You can not be hired unless you have a clean criminal, credit, and driving history. You have to pass numerous tests including psychological. At every step, there is a high failure rate.
The vast majority of officers have never committed crimes, do their job everyday with little thanks, and try to be diligent in their jobs.
If you look at almost every job and profession, you will find at least a small percentage of employees who commit criminal acts or misconduct. This goes for police officers, attorneys, soldiers, clerks, priests, etc
While I am all for cleaning up the police community, I am still waiting for someone, anyone, to come up with solutions to the vast number of people committing criminal acts.
It sounds nice coming from the news and social media that police agencies are going to be reformed, police officers are going to be charged for everything possible, etc.
In the meantime, crime is increasing dramatically after decades of decline. If police are truly the problem, then why does crime increase when police are no longer there?
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SPC Kevin Ford
MSG (Join to see) - No I have not, but I can recognize a bad culture when I see it. For too long the public has held the police to low standards and it shows.
The problem is people like you, and for many years people like me, is we have been holding on to the idea of it being a small percentage and by extension everything is OK. But it is not just a few bad apples. We keep seeing situations like what happened in Mpls where the one bad apple was surrounded by fellow officers who let him do it which makes them all bad apples. From what I’ve heard from the Mpls union rep, that department is likely rotten, if not to the core, then close.
I also see some departments that seem to have high standards and that shows too and is commendable.
I never claimed police are the only problem or are the sole cause of crime. But they are a problem and in many cases also directly committing crime which makes policing much more ineffective. We need to hold the police to high standards and stop making excuses for departments quite literally letting their officers get away with murder.
The problem is people like you, and for many years people like me, is we have been holding on to the idea of it being a small percentage and by extension everything is OK. But it is not just a few bad apples. We keep seeing situations like what happened in Mpls where the one bad apple was surrounded by fellow officers who let him do it which makes them all bad apples. From what I’ve heard from the Mpls union rep, that department is likely rotten, if not to the core, then close.
I also see some departments that seem to have high standards and that shows too and is commendable.
I never claimed police are the only problem or are the sole cause of crime. But they are a problem and in many cases also directly committing crime which makes policing much more ineffective. We need to hold the police to high standards and stop making excuses for departments quite literally letting their officers get away with murder.
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SPC Kevin Ford -
If I had my way, I would make it mandatory that everyone was required to be a police officer for a few years. That way, the public would be able to see the difference between fiction and reality.
My question to you is, you were in the military. The military has been represented in movies and tv extensively. There are frequent news reports. In your experience, did every person receive the exact same training? Did everyone know each other? Did everyone do the exact same job? Was everyone a war hero or a criminal? How much reporting was truth and how much was lies or exaggeration?
Is there automatically any connection between a servicemember who committed a robbery in Japan and a different servicemember who stole something in Texas? Does the entire military need to be overhauled because one of them committed a crime?
Here is my problem with you and some others, you keep seeing connections when there is none. Police are different from the military in that they are employed individually by the jurisdiction they live in. They seldom have any connection to other agencies in their area much less to agencies out of their county or State
If I had my way, I would make it mandatory that everyone was required to be a police officer for a few years. That way, the public would be able to see the difference between fiction and reality.
My question to you is, you were in the military. The military has been represented in movies and tv extensively. There are frequent news reports. In your experience, did every person receive the exact same training? Did everyone know each other? Did everyone do the exact same job? Was everyone a war hero or a criminal? How much reporting was truth and how much was lies or exaggeration?
Is there automatically any connection between a servicemember who committed a robbery in Japan and a different servicemember who stole something in Texas? Does the entire military need to be overhauled because one of them committed a crime?
Here is my problem with you and some others, you keep seeing connections when there is none. Police are different from the military in that they are employed individually by the jurisdiction they live in. They seldom have any connection to other agencies in their area much less to agencies out of their county or State
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No one on Rallypoint knows what happened. Wait to judge until all the facts are released.
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