Gold Star Families Issue Stinging Message To Donald Trump Over Reported War Dead Insults

SPC Kevin Ford you mean like Eric holder's contempt of Congress?

CPT (Join to see) - To an extent. Holder was acting under a presidentially declared executive privilege. Eventually this was resolved by the courts and the documents released.

Vindman had no executive privilege declared that I know of. In fact, due to his distance from the POTUS it's hard to imagine any legitimate executive privilege being claimed. Without that he was legally and duty bound to testify.

MSG Joseph Cristofaro - If Trump doesn't have a Teleprompter the crazy and immoral stuff in his head comes out. I'll take someone with a speech impediment over immoral and crazy any day of the week.

I agree that politicians bend the truth all the time and it drives me crazy. I was just watching a Harris interview with a question on funding police and she twisted herself into knots to say that her position hadn't changed when it clearly had. Just say that you know more now and have a more nuanced position and move on.

Having said that, there is a large difference between the normal twisting of the truth and just plain all out lying that we see from the current POTUS. They just are not in the same league as each other.

As far as Bolton, he said he never heard the POTUS say that, but he also said that the POTUS may have said it when he wasn't around. That is to say, he didn't say he had evidence the story was untrue, only that he couldn't confirm it's veracity outside of the meeting he was in. It seems that Trump's supporters only hear the part of his comments that support what they want to believe. The fact that Bolton didn't say something along the lines of, "oh, he would never say something like that." once again tells us what we need to know.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2020-09-04/bolton-calls-trump-comments-on-military-despicable-if-accurate-video

A1C Michael Allen - It is quite a bit different than MacArthur. MacArthur worked directly for the POTUS and was disagreeing on legal policy in public view. Vindman's disagreements were not on policy, but instead on what he perceived as illegal activity which he had a duty to report.

While I understand it is a play of right wing press to say he was offering opinion, that also is not factually correct. He did a lot more than offer opinion, and yes he also reported on what his peers and him believed was the command intent.

It all goes to the question of organizational intent and what the leader is allowing the organization believe he wants. This is why that sort of testimony is used in organized crime trials. "Oh, I didn't actually say kill him. I don't know how they ever got that idea. I just said he should get to know fishes better, they jumped to the conclusion I wanted them dead all on their own." Lol.

SPC Mark Huddleston - Yeah, and so there!

When one's head is oriented toward America first. Else he's extremely offensive, and for good cause.

CPT (Join to see) - Your wasting your time on these hard line Never-Trumpers. John Bolton, no friend of President Trump and freely critical of President Trump, was there and at President Trumps side for all the public time. Bolton says he never heard it, and never heard any rumor or it on the entire trip. That's enough for me to call it a left wing BS hit piece.

Maj John Bell - Absolutely Sir.

Maj John Bell - This is the left's misguided attempt to take the military vote from Trump. They do not realize we don't want friends in the Oval Office, we want leaders that take care of us and the budget differences between Trump and Obama are huge. President Trump can talk all the smack he wants and his actions speak louder than words.

MAJ Byron Oyler - More than any demographic, I believe active duty, reservists, and veterans realize you can have a ornery, mean, shit personality and still be the one to follow in a fight. Possibly the nicest, most pleasant, generous, and self-effacing man I've ever met, inspired no confidence in a single soul in an entire rifle company.