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Interesting research from a reasonably neutral source (JAMA not the WP)
stand-your-ground-research-homicides
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"not the only factor at play" - even though that seems to be what they're pushing.
And using Trayvon Martin as the example in the article? The 17 year old who attacked someone? But you gotta love how the author puts it..."Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain who followed and shot Martin..." Like Zimmerman was stalking him. I'm surprised the author didn't call Zimmerman a white supremacist, like they kept doing in the news.
Dumb.
And using Trayvon Martin as the example in the article? The 17 year old who attacked someone? But you gotta love how the author puts it..."Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch captain who followed and shot Martin..." Like Zimmerman was stalking him. I'm surprised the author didn't call Zimmerman a white supremacist, like they kept doing in the news.
Dumb.
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SPC Kevin Ford
Sgt (Join to see) The article specifically says that the Martin case didn't hinge on stand your ground, only that it brought it to the national spotlight (which it did). The Zimmerman/Martin case didn't turn out to be a stand your ground case as you say, but at the start a lot of people were claiming it was and that is what originally brought that kind of law to the forefront of public attention.
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PO2 Marco Monsalve
I agree that the Wash Post writer does put a spin on this that I don't like. I am going to try to get the actual JAMA research paper. Reading between the lines I don't think they put as much of an anti spin as the writer did. JAMA's peer review is pretty stringent and they don't typically play political games.
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SPC Kevin Ford - The author brought up the Zimmerman case only because he wanted to put a racial angle on his article. There would be no other reason to do so. "Look, more blacks are being killed in stand your ground states." Well, that may be so. But why is that? Maybe because people are fighting back so more perpetrators are being killed by their intended victims?
Irregardless of race, is that a bad thing?
Irregardless of race, is that a bad thing?
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Why is stand your ground even controversial? Should we go full pajama clad soy boy and play 'possum?
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In the Trayvon Martin case, the investigation showed Martin was on top of Zimmerman pounding on him. There wasn't much chance that he was able to retreat.
Add to the fact that there are YouTube videos showing that Martin was involved in fight clubs before this, Martin was more experienced in fighting than Zimmerman and more capable to inflicting serious injury or death.
As for States with "Stand your ground laws" vs those without, I don't believe that has anything to do with the increase in homicides. It only has something to do with whether someone is convicted of a crime when they acted in self-defense.
Add to the fact that there are YouTube videos showing that Martin was involved in fight clubs before this, Martin was more experienced in fighting than Zimmerman and more capable to inflicting serious injury or death.
As for States with "Stand your ground laws" vs those without, I don't believe that has anything to do with the increase in homicides. It only has something to do with whether someone is convicted of a crime when they acted in self-defense.
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SPC Kevin Ford
MSG (Join to see) I haven't read the study, but I would have to agree that it would be very difficult in my mind to pin any rise in homicides to a specific law.
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LTC David Brown
SPC Kevin Ford - I think the increase in murder is directly related failure to enforce specific laws.
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LTC David Brown -
I think there are multiple reasons:
1) The general anti-law enforcement attitude of the past few years causing existing officers to refuse to conduct active policing which allows more crimes including violent ones to be committed
2) The public showing of support for people who commit criminal actions by leaders and individuals on the left. The current President visited the family of an accused rapist who was wanted by and was shot by police when he resisted.
3) The push for decriminalization for many crimes that end up in violence such as drug related.
4) The release or refusal to prosecute violent criminals including left wing rioters.
5) The defunding of police agencies leaving fewer officers to patrol the street
I think there are multiple reasons:
1) The general anti-law enforcement attitude of the past few years causing existing officers to refuse to conduct active policing which allows more crimes including violent ones to be committed
2) The public showing of support for people who commit criminal actions by leaders and individuals on the left. The current President visited the family of an accused rapist who was wanted by and was shot by police when he resisted.
3) The push for decriminalization for many crimes that end up in violence such as drug related.
4) The release or refusal to prosecute violent criminals including left wing rioters.
5) The defunding of police agencies leaving fewer officers to patrol the street
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