Posted on Feb 4, 2023
When a US Navy EP-3 collided with a Chinese J-8 interceptor: the Hainan incident and the last...
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Almost 22 years ago, the Chinese sent two fighter planes to intercept one of our reconnaissance planes. Our Navy reconnaissance plane was 70 miles or 120 km away from the Chinese island of Hainan.
A Chinese fighter plane and its pilot were lost when both planes collided because the Chinese pilot was at stall speed and only a few feet away from the Navy P3 Orion.
The American Navy aircraft went into a dive and lost 8,000 ft. The aircrew was about to bail out over the South China Sea but the pilot managed to get control of the aircraft and he made an emergency landing on Hainan Island.
Even with the destruction of the computer hard drives and some encryption keys thrown overboard, the Chinese were able to disassemble the plane and reverse engineer much of its secrets. They were able to find out about the operating system the Navy uses and it costs hundreds of millions of dollars to upgrade everything so the Chinese couldn't hack into it. China and the United States could have gone to war over this. We were humiliated and we had to apologize to the People's Republic of China.
Fast forward 2023 and a Chinese observation balloon is something the administration can't figure out what to do with and won't shoot it down even though it was over Montana in mostly open space.
The Chinese don't like our reconnaissance planes flying close to their mainland yet nothing really happens when the Chinese put a spy balloon over the USA in the vicinity of missile bases.
This could be a test to see how weak our current democrat-run United States government is in response to a balloon flying at 20,000 m altitude with reconnaissance assets that weigh about the size of a school bus.
Another example of President Biden leading from the rear.
A Chinese fighter plane and its pilot were lost when both planes collided because the Chinese pilot was at stall speed and only a few feet away from the Navy P3 Orion.
The American Navy aircraft went into a dive and lost 8,000 ft. The aircrew was about to bail out over the South China Sea but the pilot managed to get control of the aircraft and he made an emergency landing on Hainan Island.
Even with the destruction of the computer hard drives and some encryption keys thrown overboard, the Chinese were able to disassemble the plane and reverse engineer much of its secrets. They were able to find out about the operating system the Navy uses and it costs hundreds of millions of dollars to upgrade everything so the Chinese couldn't hack into it. China and the United States could have gone to war over this. We were humiliated and we had to apologize to the People's Republic of China.
Fast forward 2023 and a Chinese observation balloon is something the administration can't figure out what to do with and won't shoot it down even though it was over Montana in mostly open space.
The Chinese don't like our reconnaissance planes flying close to their mainland yet nothing really happens when the Chinese put a spy balloon over the USA in the vicinity of missile bases.
This could be a test to see how weak our current democrat-run United States government is in response to a balloon flying at 20,000 m altitude with reconnaissance assets that weigh about the size of a school bus.
Another example of President Biden leading from the rear.
When a US Navy EP-3 collided with a Chinese J-8 interceptor: the Hainan incident and the last...
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That balloon should have been shot down, not only their having it in restricted airspace and having no good purpose anyway and allowing that to happen solves nothing. Think back to WWII also remember that Japan flew unmanned balloons over the US carrying explosives. I'm sure China learned not only the information they wanted but also how weak the US response was. You can bet this won't be the end of this sort of activity and more by the Chinese Communist Government especially with the lack of response by the United States Officials.
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LTC (Join to see)
In 1945, a Japanese Balloon Bomb Killed Six Americans, Five of Them Children, in Oregon
The military kept the true story of their deaths, the only civilians to die at enemy hands on the U.S. mainland, under wraps
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
Except we were at war with Japan at the time. There really isn't anything new that balloon can collect. Let it float on, get over water inside the US ADIZ then shoot it down. No risk of debris hitting anyone/anything and we can have ships in the area to collect it.
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COL Randall C.
Looks like the US just shot down the Chinese "weather" balloon. Time to make more popcorn. |...
Looks like the US just shot down the Chinese "weather" balloon. Time to make more popcorn.
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Seriously, there's nothing that balloon could get that you or I couldn't pull up on the internet.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
Also the picture shown here is set up for visitors of a now not used missile facility. The glass dome was added so visitors could see what was below the ground level.
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SFC Casey O'Mally
Not at all true. There are plenty of areas that have been specifically banned from surveillance. Google maps has no street view or satellite view, etc.
And even if it WERE true, that is no reason to allow, nay, ENCOURAGE, espionage against us.
Refusing to do anything about known espionage could VERY easily be considered giving aid to the enemy. Which is part of the definition of treason.
I won't go so far as to say it IS, because there could be more going on behind the scenes that us armchair quarterbacks know nothing about. Hell, there probably IS more going on than we know about.
So I won't say it IS treason. I will just say that based on the information we have - which is admittedly not likely to be all of the information - it certainly LOOKS a hell of a lot like treason.
And even if it WERE true, that is no reason to allow, nay, ENCOURAGE, espionage against us.
Refusing to do anything about known espionage could VERY easily be considered giving aid to the enemy. Which is part of the definition of treason.
I won't go so far as to say it IS, because there could be more going on behind the scenes that us armchair quarterbacks know nothing about. Hell, there probably IS more going on than we know about.
So I won't say it IS treason. I will just say that based on the information we have - which is admittedly not likely to be all of the information - it certainly LOOKS a hell of a lot like treason.
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Sgt Ron Harris
SFC Casey O'Mally - The Chinese spying here is nothing new. Go to ANY National Lab. in the country and you will find Chinese students and scientists, straight from China, in any research building. Not saying they are all spies or am I saying they're all bad people, what I am saying is the government allows "strange bedfellows". Back in the late 70s-early 80s, Argonne National Lab. built 2 of the largest electro-magnets in the world. They weighed 103 tons each. One was transported to Stanford, Cal., by truck, (a special made vehicle w/104 tires on it), and the other was flown to the University of Moscow, USSR, in a C5 Galaxy.....but only after Russia promised not to confiscate it.
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