Posted on Jun 24, 2023
WHY WASN'T I TAUGHT THIS?! TRUTH about the Irish - First slaves brought to the Americas
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Just think if we had the 1625 project made up of white people of Irish descent who wanted money from brokeback Joe Biden and the US government. I'm sure he would pay himself and Hunter millions of dollars from the US Treasury for reparations even though he wasn't born a Slave.
This youtube video is done by a History Professor. He goes back in History to the 8th Century when Vikings invaded Ireland and took slaves. This happened for centuries prior to the English coming in and taking indentured servants and slaves.
I was reading comments in the column that Irish Americans were talking to other people and being called racist for bringing up the topic that Irish were sometimes sold as slaves.
This youtube video is done by a History Professor. He goes back in History to the 8th Century when Vikings invaded Ireland and took slaves. This happened for centuries prior to the English coming in and taking indentured servants and slaves.
I was reading comments in the column that Irish Americans were talking to other people and being called racist for bringing up the topic that Irish were sometimes sold as slaves.
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I don't get the point of the whole video. Anyone who thinks slavery of all races and ethnicities hasn't played a role in civilization since the dawn of time slept through history classes........or attends a charter school.
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen
SFC Bernard Walko Charter schools are private operations that ONLY teach their agendas. Obviously reading, writing, and arithmetic are on their agendas, but many aspects of history aren't. Public schools are pretty much required to teach all history, quality can be debated, but exposure to history is what matters in education.
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Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen that s the only other reference I heard of. Heard it in church not school
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COL Randall C.
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen SFC John Davis Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth SGT Gerald “Jerry” Harrell SFC Bernard Walko - There seems to be a bit of confusion about charter schools. I dug into them when I was looking for an alternative to the traditional "district" public school for my special needs child before (ended up home schooling, but still found out a few nuggets of info).
• Charter schools are not private schools, they are public schools. They are usually run independently of a local school board and function off of a 'charter' granted by the state for a number of years. They are funded with the same public tax dollars that traditional "district" public schools are (an generally a bit less as they can't tap into certain 'school district only' type of funds such as construction bonds).
• Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen is correct that they (usually) can teach their own curriculum, however (at least in Virginia .. can't say this unequivocally for all states) the charter school must meet the same standards of accreditation, quality and learning that all public schools have to meet*. Again, it might differ in other states, but in Virginia those Charter schools will have a requisite level of history that has to be taught just as in traditional public schools. However, they are not tied to a specific curriculum or teaching method - as long as they meet the same SOLs.
• If a charter school doesn't meet the standards (accreditation, quality and/or learning), then they can (and have) lost their charter to operate and can be closed down.
Bottom line (again, for VA schools .. PROBABLY is like this in other states, but I just don't know without looking at the charter for each and every state) is that charter schools have to meet the same goals as established for other public schools, but can pretty much make their own path in reaching those goals. Since they don't have a school district they have to 'answer to', they are much more agile in changing how they go about traveling that path or if they want to create a new path ... as long as they meet the same SOL goal.
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* https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title22.1/chapter13/article1.2/
* VA - Standards of Accreditation - https://law.lis.virginia.gov/admincode/title8/agency20/chapter131/
* VA Standards of Learning - https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/student-assessment/virginia-sol-assessment-program
* VA Standards of Quality - https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/virginia-board-of-education/virginia-standards-of-quality
• Charter schools are not private schools, they are public schools. They are usually run independently of a local school board and function off of a 'charter' granted by the state for a number of years. They are funded with the same public tax dollars that traditional "district" public schools are (an generally a bit less as they can't tap into certain 'school district only' type of funds such as construction bonds).
• Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen is correct that they (usually) can teach their own curriculum, however (at least in Virginia .. can't say this unequivocally for all states) the charter school must meet the same standards of accreditation, quality and learning that all public schools have to meet*. Again, it might differ in other states, but in Virginia those Charter schools will have a requisite level of history that has to be taught just as in traditional public schools. However, they are not tied to a specific curriculum or teaching method - as long as they meet the same SOLs.
• If a charter school doesn't meet the standards (accreditation, quality and/or learning), then they can (and have) lost their charter to operate and can be closed down.
Bottom line (again, for VA schools .. PROBABLY is like this in other states, but I just don't know without looking at the charter for each and every state) is that charter schools have to meet the same goals as established for other public schools, but can pretty much make their own path in reaching those goals. Since they don't have a school district they have to 'answer to', they are much more agile in changing how they go about traveling that path or if they want to create a new path ... as long as they meet the same SOL goal.
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* https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacodefull/title22.1/chapter13/article1.2/
* VA - Standards of Accreditation - https://law.lis.virginia.gov/admincode/title8/agency20/chapter131/
* VA Standards of Learning - https://www.doe.virginia.gov/teaching-learning-assessment/student-assessment/virginia-sol-assessment-program
* VA Standards of Quality - https://www.doe.virginia.gov/data-policy-funding/virginia-board-of-education/virginia-standards-of-quality
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LTC Stephen Conway
Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen I never went to a Catholic or Charter school. I was born near East LA and good thing my parents took me to Orange County where I grew up in La Palma and I went to Cypress College and later Cal State Fullerton. Basic high school, basic Community College and just the average California University. Nothing special and I didn't owe 60 Grand in college loans.
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I seer PV2 Scott Mollette is spouting stereotype nonsense again:
"No wonder the Irish are given to drunkenness and revery"
"No wonder the Irish are given to drunkenness and revery"
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LTC Stephen Conway
SFC Casey O'Mally I am Irish American and my police officer cousins in San Francisco all drink a lot. I don't know if they're the point of Alcoholics but alcohol is pretty prevalent in the Conway family. My sister was an alcoholic so I don't take any offense at all. I don't have a sore Papa over it. Admitting you have a problem is the first step to sobriety. I'm sure there are plenty of AA chapters in ireland. I know in Latin America they have AA chapters and people are not shameful saying that they have a drinking problem. Up here in canada, the term drunk Indian is very disparaging but it's true. When my wife was in the hospital after she had her aneurysm surgery, all the family was there thinking she was going to die back in February of 2015, there was an Aunt Tina who was my age and who was staggering and trying to stay straight while looking at my wife recovering in the ICU. She was drunk and she was there and this was probably 8 or 10 hours after she stopped drinking. She ended up dying of diabetes a couple years ago and chronic drinking was major comorbidity Factor. So why don't take offense and if other people do, then they are denying the truth that we have ramp and substance abuse problems and Society especially with alcohol which is considered okay.
LTC Eugene Chu Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth COL Randall C. Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen COL Randall C. SFC Bernard Walko Capt Jeff S. SGT Gerald “Jerry” Harrell
LTC Eugene Chu Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth COL Randall C. Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen COL Randall C. SFC Bernard Walko Capt Jeff S. SGT Gerald “Jerry” Harrell
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SFC Casey O'Mally
LTC Stephen Conway I'm Irish, too. I have been falling down drunk exactly one time in my life. I have been slurring words drunk about 5 times. Every single one of those was a special occasion (21st birthday, bachelor party, divorce party, bachelor party, retirement celebration). I have been legally drunk, but still fully functional, if slowed, a couple dozen times in 25 years of being over the legal drinking age (and I didn't drink before then). That includes 4 Years of Infantry time in my early- to mid- 20s. I have been over the legal limit approximately 1 out of every 300 days since I started drinking. Which I would think disproves the stereotype.
But that isn't the point. It doesn't matter if 98% of Irish are "given to drunkenness" or only 2% are. Stereotypes are bad. Period.
Even stereotypes based in fact without proper caveats - women are weaker than men - are bad. Yes, at every level, a direct comparison shows that ON THE AGGREGATE, women are weaker than men. Elite female bodybuilders are weaker than elite male bodybuilders. The average female beginning bodybuilder is weaker than the average beginning male bodybuilder and the average female couch potato is weaker than the average male couch potato. But the stereotype denies individuals their right to be an individual. And it denies exceptionalism. Because elite female body builders are stronger than 98% of males. And the 2% of men who are stronger are themselves exceptional. Stereotypes deny that reality - and they discourage people in the stereotyped group from striving. It gives them an excuse for failure, too.
If the Irish are given to drunkenness, then my alcoholism isn't my fault, and there is no point trying to fix myself. After all, I'm Irish.
Stereotypes do NO ONE any good. And SOME people harm. Saying things that are only partially true or not at all true and designed only to harm and and provide no benefit is shameful. It's not illegal. But distasteful, showing of low character, and generally repulsive. IMHO.
But that isn't the point. It doesn't matter if 98% of Irish are "given to drunkenness" or only 2% are. Stereotypes are bad. Period.
Even stereotypes based in fact without proper caveats - women are weaker than men - are bad. Yes, at every level, a direct comparison shows that ON THE AGGREGATE, women are weaker than men. Elite female bodybuilders are weaker than elite male bodybuilders. The average female beginning bodybuilder is weaker than the average beginning male bodybuilder and the average female couch potato is weaker than the average male couch potato. But the stereotype denies individuals their right to be an individual. And it denies exceptionalism. Because elite female body builders are stronger than 98% of males. And the 2% of men who are stronger are themselves exceptional. Stereotypes deny that reality - and they discourage people in the stereotyped group from striving. It gives them an excuse for failure, too.
If the Irish are given to drunkenness, then my alcoholism isn't my fault, and there is no point trying to fix myself. After all, I'm Irish.
Stereotypes do NO ONE any good. And SOME people harm. Saying things that are only partially true or not at all true and designed only to harm and and provide no benefit is shameful. It's not illegal. But distasteful, showing of low character, and generally repulsive. IMHO.
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LTC Stephen Conway
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We've discussed a lot of topics but mine was a sarcastic way of saying that the Irish are not asking for reparations. I'm not asking for them. LTC Eugene Chu thinks it's exaggerated but I have found articles from Ireland that supports it. Irish were taken as slaves by the Vikings, by the English and we already have people here like MSG Joseph Cristofaro who has told us that his family were in Bedford servants but they were chained in place and they were basically slaves so it's semantics to say the difference between indentured servant and slave. The point is that this African-Americans YouTuber put this video on to educate others about other than African slaves were sent to the Americas. We don't know the proportion between slavery and indentured servitude but the lines are blurred because it shouldn't matter and I don't think it was voluntary. I guess this messes up the narrative that white people are the oppressors when they could be the oppressed as well. That doesn't fit very well into the black lives matter narrative nor does it fit into The Narrative of the left and that's why I posted it. I'm not playing victim. My grandfather was born in 1900 in the Midwest and he did okay and by the time he was 50, he was already a chief of police of a railroad called the Milwaukee Road. It had high speed trains between Minneapolis St Paul and Chicago.
My grandfather is on the left. This was the Hiawatha high speed train that could get to Chicago hours faster than the standard trains.
My dad was a special agent working for the Santa Fe after being a switchman. He was harassed by some Protestant boss of his called Brooks Cannon who used to wear orange on St Patrick's day. So there was some discrimination among Catholics and Protestants even into the late 50s and 1960s. My dad eventually left to Santa Fe Road and end up becoming a deputy sheriff for Los Angeles County and he did it at age 35 and he was asthmatic and still made graduation.
LTC Eugene Chu Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth COL Randall C. Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen PV2 Scott Mollette SFC Bernard Walko SGT Gerald “Jerry” Harrell Capt Jeff S.
https://youtu.be/BXKPiOY4zA0
My grandfather is on the left. This was the Hiawatha high speed train that could get to Chicago hours faster than the standard trains.
My dad was a special agent working for the Santa Fe after being a switchman. He was harassed by some Protestant boss of his called Brooks Cannon who used to wear orange on St Patrick's day. So there was some discrimination among Catholics and Protestants even into the late 50s and 1960s. My dad eventually left to Santa Fe Road and end up becoming a deputy sheriff for Los Angeles County and he did it at age 35 and he was asthmatic and still made graduation.
LTC Eugene Chu Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth COL Randall C. Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen PV2 Scott Mollette SFC Bernard Walko SGT Gerald “Jerry” Harrell Capt Jeff S.
https://youtu.be/BXKPiOY4zA0
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