Posted on Aug 24, 2023
Massive FAIL! America Has A Crime Reporting Problem
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How can you have a rational and honest debate on any topic without some source of solid facts? Short answer you can't. In the case of the 2nd Amendment and gun control, it is this deficit of data is allowing the anti-gun crowd make up their own statistics while suppressing data what we pro-gunners know to be intuitively true. This article rightly points out that the areas and cities that are not reporting their data are the very ones screaming for more gun control. All this is intellectually dishonest and makes for bad policy and legislation. But we live in a world where the politics of the left wants no rational and honest debate and all they care about are cheep political points and accumulation of power.
Massive FAIL! America Has A Crime Reporting Problem
Posted from ammoland.com
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Posted 9 mo ago
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What is it that you gun nuts "know" is "true?" I'll bet the statistics are actually worse than what gets reported.
But sure clutch your precious guns...smh.
But sure clutch your precious guns...smh.
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Cpl Benjamin Long
Why should I believe your stats when you predicate you argument on the ambiguous gnosis it's worse than we know? Your mendacity lies in faith of "what's in the box"
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Destruction of our country from within, as evidenced by deleting our Culture, Morals and Laws can only be complete by the elimination of the Second Amendment, it is essentially the only safeguard left. As a kid I saw these procedures implemented and forced upon my country by a communist regime which 70+ years later stills enslaves Cuba and its people.
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What "culture, morals and laws" are being deleted? The only cultures I know of that there has been an attempt to delete or minority groups such as indigenous people, people of color.
Who are you talking about when you say "deleting our culture, morals and laws?"
No one is eliminating the 2A but it would do you people well to actually read the writings of all the founders on why it exists. It was primarily because they wanted to avoid a standing army. It wasn't primarily about individual rights and the SCOTUS didn't even interpret it as individual right until I believe 2008.
Who are you talking about when you say "deleting our culture, morals and laws?"
No one is eliminating the 2A but it would do you people well to actually read the writings of all the founders on why it exists. It was primarily because they wanted to avoid a standing army. It wasn't primarily about individual rights and the SCOTUS didn't even interpret it as individual right until I believe 2008.
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SGT Damaso V Santana - Yes the well regulated militia was to avoid a standing army. The founders feared a standing army. They thought they could depend on a militia to call up. A militia that didn't allow EVERY individual to even own a gun. The founders did not want an unregulated right to a gun. They didn't even allow just anyone to own a gun.
"There is not a single word about an individual’s right to a gun for self-defense or recreation in Madison’s notes from the Constitutional Convention. Nor was it mentioned, with a few scattered exceptions, in the records of the ratification debates in the states. Nor did the U.S. House of Representatives discuss the topic as it marked up the Bill of Rights. In fact, the original version passed by the House included a conscientious objector provision. “A well regulated militia,” it explained, “composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”"
For 200 years there were gun laws in towns and states that governed everything from where gunpowder could be stored and who could carry a weapon and the courts upheld these restrictions. Gun rights and gun control were actually hand in hand for over 200 years. Between 1876 and 1939 the SCOTUS declined to rule four times that the 2A protected individual gun ownership outside the context of the militia.
The narrative of individual rights that we see you all spout today is NRA propaganda. THEY were even pro gun control from the time they were created - until 1977. When new leadership took over that was overtly ideological, dramatic and dogmatic. Also due to conservative backlash in the 70s. Prior to that, the NRA was extremely pro gun control especially because of the Black Panther Party and trying to keep them from having guns.
I can just imagine where you get "statistics" from.
"There is not a single word about an individual’s right to a gun for self-defense or recreation in Madison’s notes from the Constitutional Convention. Nor was it mentioned, with a few scattered exceptions, in the records of the ratification debates in the states. Nor did the U.S. House of Representatives discuss the topic as it marked up the Bill of Rights. In fact, the original version passed by the House included a conscientious objector provision. “A well regulated militia,” it explained, “composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, but no one religiously scrupulous of bearing arms, shall be compelled to render military service in person.”"
For 200 years there were gun laws in towns and states that governed everything from where gunpowder could be stored and who could carry a weapon and the courts upheld these restrictions. Gun rights and gun control were actually hand in hand for over 200 years. Between 1876 and 1939 the SCOTUS declined to rule four times that the 2A protected individual gun ownership outside the context of the militia.
The narrative of individual rights that we see you all spout today is NRA propaganda. THEY were even pro gun control from the time they were created - until 1977. When new leadership took over that was overtly ideological, dramatic and dogmatic. Also due to conservative backlash in the 70s. Prior to that, the NRA was extremely pro gun control especially because of the Black Panther Party and trying to keep them from having guns.
I can just imagine where you get "statistics" from.
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SFC Ralph E Kelley
Extrapolating the statement "...the well regulated militia was to avoid a standing army. The founders feared a standing army." it would seem that Kelly Fuerhoff would be all for citizen having their own weapons, naval ships, MGs, fighter jets and artillery pieces in their backyards.
I'm with him on this one - Lets go for it..
I'm with him on this one - Lets go for it..
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MSgt Steve Sweeney
"deleting our Culture, Morals and Laws..." Care to expand on that and clarify exactly what is being "deleted" and by whom?
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