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LTC David Brown
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I find a LOT of problems with this. In the medical world you need INFORMED consent. Where I worked you needed medical certified translators for non English speaking patients. For less common languages we had a telephone service that translated for us. All of the procedure and implications were laid out. I checked, OR Nurse checked , and surgeon checked. This was witnessed by a non involved 3rd party. Once the uterus was removed it was sent to pathology to confirm the diagnosis for removal of uterus. This is a s hit piece on ICE.
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LTC David Brown
LTC David Brown
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SPC Kevin Ford - in the age of medical malpractice you can not hide things for long. Or Nurses, Anesthesia providers, OR techs , pathology etc need to be on board to make it happen. In the past stuff like this could fly. Not today. When we get in the OR the whole staff then lays out the patient, the procedure, the permitting etc.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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LTC David Brown - You are assuming a normal public hospital environment, that's not what this is. To be clear we have evidence in the US of entire staffs of people engaged in improper conduct. To think it can't happen anymore due to some procedures in place is a complete disregard of human nature and how we behave in groups. It's exactly the type of thinking you are displaying, that the procedures currently in place are a cure for a problem, that causes disregard of problems and stops continuous improvement in an organization.

Granted, normally we will always have someone that doesn't go along, but that appears to be what we have here.
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LTC David Brown
LTC David Brown
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SPC Kevin Ford - Out side Augusta Georgia there exists the state medical prison. For years the state could not adequately fund it to utilize the OR. The hospital I was at had the contract to provide surgical care to the prisoner patients. Augusta is second largest metro area in Georgia. Got any idea what Tooms county is like? We are talking rural Georgia. Farms and logging. I do have some knowledge about that area of the country, my daughter teaches in Moultrie Ga and I moon lighted down there. . I doubt the ICE facility is set up to preform major surgery so the patients are transported to the local hospital. You have no idea how hard it is to get medical personnel to staff ORs. In rural areas it really sucks. The medical facility I retired from has about 75% locum tenums staff ( travelers, temporary staffing). In Order to staff an OR you need facilities, equipment, personnel to include those that clean, wrap and sterile equipment etc. How many operations you think they do a week? 10, 20? So the hospital etc are risking it all? This simply isn’t happening.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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LTC David Brown - You don't want to believe it is happening, but you have no idea if it is or not. Your reasoning for not believing it isn't congruent with history nor our understanding of human nature.

To be clear, I'm not saying it is happening either.

Things like the experimentation on black cancer patients without their consent happened in our lifetimes. Nothing has magically changed between now and then. People knew it was wrong then too. Given a large enough population you are going to find groups of people willing to do all sorts of evil things.
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SPC David Stephenson
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While this complaint is based on rather flimsy evidence it should be investigated. A hysterectomy is a legitimate medical procedure so I'm curious if this is not a case of addressing medical conditions that were not addressed by these women in their home country due to a sub par health care system or cost. This center may in fact be helping the women in question.

Dr. Ada Rivera the medical director of ICE stated detainees at ICE facilities are “afforded informed consent, and a medical procedure like a hysterectomy would never be performed against a detainee’s will.” As such this smells of a political smear to swing Latino voters.

However agree it needs to be investigated.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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SPC David Stephenson There is a possibility it is all completely legitimate. As you say, we have a whistleblower, they credibly could have witnessed the conduct they say they did, so we hold off judgement one way or the other and investigate.
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SSgt Richard Kensinger
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Sadly we are in actually various ways, and not just biological. This escalating "US Incivility War" is causing a collective of peoples to be dehumanized and psychosocially mortified. The next step in the dehumanization (mortification) of a collective of selves is genocide. Sadly there many examples of these processes throughout our existence.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SPC Kevin Ford
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SSgt Richard Kensinger We don't even have to leave the domain of US history to find them. I suspect this is going to be one of those eras that we will collectively look back on in shame. Well, at least those of us with ethics will.
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