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No, actually, I can't because I don't ever recall the Republicans selling out the USA to Russia. I do, however, recall Hillary striking a deal that gave Russia control of a sizeable portion of our Uranium deposits, and Joe Biden taking a bribe from the mayor of Moscow's wife but I digress. I'm sure the Democrats have a good explanation and didn't benefit in any way from these deals that they made with the Russians... /sarc
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CPL LaForest Gray
Blowback: How Israel Helped Create Hamas
Did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state...
What about Israel funding and training Hamas to fight Capt Jeff S. ?
Historically documented that Israel was in agreement with Hamas as a counter to the PLO?
V1 : https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=9-mT2yeRfzMQsZDb
1.) How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
Not many people are aware of the fact that it was Israel which had helped the creation of Hamas as a counter to PLO
The acronym "Hamas" first appeared in 1987 in a leaflet that accused the Israeli intelligence services of undermining the moral fiber of Palestinian youth as part of Mossad's recruitment of what Hamas termed "collaborators."
How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
Not many people are aware of the fact that it was Israel which had helped the creation of Hamas as a counter to PLO.
Why Israel helped the creation of Hamas and how it utilised its resources for the purpose? Has Israel by taking brutal action in Gaza strengthened Hamas and how the Palestinian struggle got divided and weakened when Hamas challenged PLO, a secular and nationalist organisation?
Formed in 1964, PLO had a clause, in its charter, calling for the destruction of Israel. But when the Oslo process was launched for peace between Israel and PLO, that clause was removed from the Palestinian charter, granting recognition to the Jewish state. Likewise, the Israeli government in late 1980s and early 1990s lifted ban on maintaining contacts with PLO and recognised it when the historic PLO-Israeli accord, mediated by then US President Bill Clinton, signed on September 13, 1993. If PLO recognised Israel, Hamas opposed peace process with the Jewish state and called for the destruction of Israel.
Gaza, which was occupied by Israel as a result of June 1967 Arab-Israeli war, patronised Mujama al-Islamiya which was formed by a Palestinian cleric Sheikh Ahmed Yasin and viewed it as a harmless organisation involved in charity and welfare work for the Palestinian community of Gaza. Mujama al-Islamiya later became Hamas before Intifada-I was launched in December 1987. Israel considered Mujama al-Islamiya and its successor organisation Hamas a lesser evil as compared to PLO and thought that dividing Palestinians will serve the interest of Jewish state.
If Israel termed PLO a terrorist organisation and a major threat to its interests, Hamas was also against PLO because of its secular and nationalist outlook. That is how both Hamas and Israel were viewed as natural allies against PLO. But, later on when Hamas in 1988 killed two Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) personnel in Gaza, Israel turned against Hamas but it was too late. Hamas, which earlier labelled itself as a welfare and charity organisation in Gaza and got favors from Israel, changed is tactics and exploited PLO’s peace process with Israel to gain popular support of those Palestinians who were disillusioned with Yasser Arafat’s mending of fences with the Jewish state despite the killing of hundreds of Palestinians in Intifada-I.
Regrets among those Israeli officials who helped the creation of Hamas are well documented. For instance, Avner Cohen, a Tunisia-born Jew who was an Israeli official in Gaza dealing with religious affairs during 1970s and 1980s, lamented that “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation”.
He observed the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then evolved into what is today Hamas — a militant group that now calls for Israel’s destruction. Cohen argued that “instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah.
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas”. Does it mean that Hamas was clever enough to dodge shrewd Israeli intelligence service by portraying itself as a welfare and charity organisation in order to get itself establish in Gaza and then confront Israel?
Between June 1967 and 2005, Gaza was administered by the Israeli military. In 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza but when Hamas gained control of that Palestinian enclave in 2007 it imposed land, air and sea blockade of that territory. How Israel helped the creation of Hamas is narrated by Andrew Higgins, an Israeli official who had worked in Gaza in the 1980s.
SOURCE : https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas?amp=1
2.) What is Hamas? What to know about its origins, leaders and funding
SOURCE : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding
* A.) Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001
Author Steve Coll, managing editor of The Washington Post, discusses the findings of his latest book on the CIA's involvement in the covert wars in Afghanistan that fueled Islamic militancy and gave rise to bin Laden's al Qaeda. To view the video feed of the discussion, please click on the "Event Summary" link below.
SOURCE : https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/ghost-wars-the-secret-history-the-cia-afghanistan-and-bin-laden-the-soviet-invasion-to
* B.) Yet the US government refuses to admit its central role in creating the vicious movement that spawned bin Laden, the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that plague Algeria and Egypt — and perhaps the disaster that befell New York.
* The mass media has also downplayed the origins of bin Laden and his toxic brand of Islamic fundamentalism.
Mujaheddin
* In April 1978, the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan in reaction to a crackdown against the party by that country's repressive government.
Washington, fearing the spread of Soviet influence (and worse the new government's radical example) to its allies in Pakistan, Iran and the Gulf states, immediately offered support to the Afghan mujaheddin, as the "contra" force was known.
Following an internal PDPA power struggle in December 1979 which toppled Afghanistan's leader, thousands of Soviet troops entered the country to prevent the new government's fall. This only galvanised the disparate fundamentalist factions. Their reactionary jihad now gained legitimacy as a "national liberation" struggle in the eyes of many Afghans.
The Soviet Union was eventually to withdraw from Afghanistan in 1989 and the mujaheddin captured the capital, Kabul, in 1992.
Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.
Washington's policy in Afghanistan was shaped by US President Jimmy Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and was continued by his successors. His plan went far beyond simply forcing Soviet troops to withdraw; rather it aimed to foster an international movement to spread Islamic fanaticism into the Muslim Central Asian Soviet republics to destabilise the Soviet Union.
Brzezinski's grand plan coincided with Pakistan military dictator General Zia ul-Haq's own ambitions to dominate the region. US-run Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe beamed Islamic fundamentalist tirades across Central Asia (while paradoxically denouncing the "Islamic revolution" that toppled the pro-US Shah of Iran in 1979).
Washington's favoured mujaheddin faction was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The West's distaste for terrorism did not apply to this unsavoury "freedom fighter". Hekmatyar was notorious in the 1970s for throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil.
After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992, Hekmatyar's forces rained US-supplied missiles and rockets on that city — killing at least 2000 civilians — until the new government agreed to give him the post of prime minister. Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction.
Hekmatyar was also infamous for his side trade in the cultivation and trafficking in opium. Backing of the mujaheddin from the CIA coincided with a boom in the drug business. Within two years, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was the world's single largest source of heroin, supplying 60% of US drug users.
In 1995, the former director of the CIA's operation in Afghanistan was unrepentant about the explosion in the flow of drugs: "Our main mission was to do as much damage as possible to the Soviets... There was a fallout in terms of drugs, yes. But the main objective was accomplished. The Soviets left Afghanistan."
* Made in the USA
According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).
John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American "black Muslims" were taught "sabotage skills".
The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained "bin Laden's operatives" in 1989.
These "operatives" were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.
The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called "Operation Cyclone".
In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services — MAK).
MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.
Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.
The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was "partly culpable" for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.
* Bin Laden
Osama bin Laden
Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.
Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, "Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... [Guys like] bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year.
And this is what bin Laden did."
In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built "training camps", some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.
These camps, now dubbed "terrorist universities" by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.
SOURCE : https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/how-cia-created-osama-bin-laden
* BONUS :
HOW MANY PEOPLE DID THE NAZIS MURDER?
Nazi Germany committed mass murder on an unprecedented scale. The Nazis and their allies and collaborators killed six million Jewish people. This systematic, state-sponsored genocide is now known as the Holocaust. The Nazis and their allies and collaborators also committed other mass atrocities. They persecuted and killed millions of non-Jewish people during World War II.
The Nazi German regime systematically murdered Jewish people in gas chambers; mass shooting operations; and through deliberate privation, disease, and brutal treatment. The Nazi German regime systematically murdered Jewish people in gas chambers; mass shooting operations; and through deliberate privation, disease, and brutal treatment.
SOURCE : https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution
Historically documented that Israel was in agreement with Hamas as a counter to the PLO?
V1 : https://youtu.be/o7grSsuFSS0?si=9-mT2yeRfzMQsZDb
1.) How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
Not many people are aware of the fact that it was Israel which had helped the creation of Hamas as a counter to PLO
The acronym "Hamas" first appeared in 1987 in a leaflet that accused the Israeli intelligence services of undermining the moral fiber of Palestinian youth as part of Mossad's recruitment of what Hamas termed "collaborators."
How and why Israel helped create Hamas?
Not many people are aware of the fact that it was Israel which had helped the creation of Hamas as a counter to PLO.
Why Israel helped the creation of Hamas and how it utilised its resources for the purpose? Has Israel by taking brutal action in Gaza strengthened Hamas and how the Palestinian struggle got divided and weakened when Hamas challenged PLO, a secular and nationalist organisation?
Formed in 1964, PLO had a clause, in its charter, calling for the destruction of Israel. But when the Oslo process was launched for peace between Israel and PLO, that clause was removed from the Palestinian charter, granting recognition to the Jewish state. Likewise, the Israeli government in late 1980s and early 1990s lifted ban on maintaining contacts with PLO and recognised it when the historic PLO-Israeli accord, mediated by then US President Bill Clinton, signed on September 13, 1993. If PLO recognised Israel, Hamas opposed peace process with the Jewish state and called for the destruction of Israel.
Gaza, which was occupied by Israel as a result of June 1967 Arab-Israeli war, patronised Mujama al-Islamiya which was formed by a Palestinian cleric Sheikh Ahmed Yasin and viewed it as a harmless organisation involved in charity and welfare work for the Palestinian community of Gaza. Mujama al-Islamiya later became Hamas before Intifada-I was launched in December 1987. Israel considered Mujama al-Islamiya and its successor organisation Hamas a lesser evil as compared to PLO and thought that dividing Palestinians will serve the interest of Jewish state.
If Israel termed PLO a terrorist organisation and a major threat to its interests, Hamas was also against PLO because of its secular and nationalist outlook. That is how both Hamas and Israel were viewed as natural allies against PLO. But, later on when Hamas in 1988 killed two Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) personnel in Gaza, Israel turned against Hamas but it was too late. Hamas, which earlier labelled itself as a welfare and charity organisation in Gaza and got favors from Israel, changed is tactics and exploited PLO’s peace process with Israel to gain popular support of those Palestinians who were disillusioned with Yasser Arafat’s mending of fences with the Jewish state despite the killing of hundreds of Palestinians in Intifada-I.
Regrets among those Israeli officials who helped the creation of Hamas are well documented. For instance, Avner Cohen, a Tunisia-born Jew who was an Israeli official in Gaza dealing with religious affairs during 1970s and 1980s, lamented that “Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation”.
He observed the Islamist movement take shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then evolved into what is today Hamas — a militant group that now calls for Israel’s destruction. Cohen argued that “instead of trying to curb Gaza’s Islamists from the outset, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat’s Fatah.
Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas”. Does it mean that Hamas was clever enough to dodge shrewd Israeli intelligence service by portraying itself as a welfare and charity organisation in order to get itself establish in Gaza and then confront Israel?
Between June 1967 and 2005, Gaza was administered by the Israeli military. In 2005 Israel withdrew from Gaza but when Hamas gained control of that Palestinian enclave in 2007 it imposed land, air and sea blockade of that territory. How Israel helped the creation of Hamas is narrated by Andrew Higgins, an Israeli official who had worked in Gaza in the 1980s.
SOURCE : https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas?amp=1
2.) What is Hamas? What to know about its origins, leaders and funding
SOURCE : https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/what-is-hamas-what-to-know-about-its-origins-leaders-and-funding
* A.) Ghost Wars: The Secret History of the CIA, Afghanistan, and Bin Laden, from the Soviet Invasion to September 10, 2001
Author Steve Coll, managing editor of The Washington Post, discusses the findings of his latest book on the CIA's involvement in the covert wars in Afghanistan that fueled Islamic militancy and gave rise to bin Laden's al Qaeda. To view the video feed of the discussion, please click on the "Event Summary" link below.
SOURCE : https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/ghost-wars-the-secret-history-the-cia-afghanistan-and-bin-laden-the-soviet-invasion-to
* B.) Yet the US government refuses to admit its central role in creating the vicious movement that spawned bin Laden, the Taliban and Islamic fundamentalist terrorists that plague Algeria and Egypt — and perhaps the disaster that befell New York.
* The mass media has also downplayed the origins of bin Laden and his toxic brand of Islamic fundamentalism.
Mujaheddin
* In April 1978, the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) seized power in Afghanistan in reaction to a crackdown against the party by that country's repressive government.
Washington, fearing the spread of Soviet influence (and worse the new government's radical example) to its allies in Pakistan, Iran and the Gulf states, immediately offered support to the Afghan mujaheddin, as the "contra" force was known.
Following an internal PDPA power struggle in December 1979 which toppled Afghanistan's leader, thousands of Soviet troops entered the country to prevent the new government's fall. This only galvanised the disparate fundamentalist factions. Their reactionary jihad now gained legitimacy as a "national liberation" struggle in the eyes of many Afghans.
The Soviet Union was eventually to withdraw from Afghanistan in 1989 and the mujaheddin captured the capital, Kabul, in 1992.
Between 1978 and 1992, the US government poured at least US$6 billion (some estimates range as high as $20 billion) worth of arms, training and funds to prop up the mujaheddin factions. Other Western governments, as well as oil-rich Saudi Arabia, kicked in as much again. Wealthy Arab fanatics, like Osama bin Laden, provided millions more.
Washington's policy in Afghanistan was shaped by US President Jimmy Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and was continued by his successors. His plan went far beyond simply forcing Soviet troops to withdraw; rather it aimed to foster an international movement to spread Islamic fanaticism into the Muslim Central Asian Soviet republics to destabilise the Soviet Union.
Brzezinski's grand plan coincided with Pakistan military dictator General Zia ul-Haq's own ambitions to dominate the region. US-run Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe beamed Islamic fundamentalist tirades across Central Asia (while paradoxically denouncing the "Islamic revolution" that toppled the pro-US Shah of Iran in 1979).
Washington's favoured mujaheddin faction was one of the most extreme, led by Gulbuddin Hekmatyar. The West's distaste for terrorism did not apply to this unsavoury "freedom fighter". Hekmatyar was notorious in the 1970s for throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil.
After the mujaheddin took Kabul in 1992, Hekmatyar's forces rained US-supplied missiles and rockets on that city — killing at least 2000 civilians — until the new government agreed to give him the post of prime minister. Osama bin Laden was a close associate of Hekmatyar and his faction.
Hekmatyar was also infamous for his side trade in the cultivation and trafficking in opium. Backing of the mujaheddin from the CIA coincided with a boom in the drug business. Within two years, the Afghanistan-Pakistan border was the world's single largest source of heroin, supplying 60% of US drug users.
In 1995, the former director of the CIA's operation in Afghanistan was unrepentant about the explosion in the flow of drugs: "Our main mission was to do as much damage as possible to the Soviets... There was a fallout in terms of drugs, yes. But the main objective was accomplished. The Soviets left Afghanistan."
* Made in the USA
According to Ahmed Rashid, a correspondent for the Far Eastern Economic Review, in 1986 CIA chief William Casey committed CIA support to a long-standing ISI proposal to recruit from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. At least 100,000 Islamic militants flocked to Pakistan between 1982 and 1992 (some 60,000 attended fundamentalist schools in Pakistan without necessarily taking part in the fighting).
John Cooley, a former journalist with the US ABC television network and author of Unholy Wars: Afghanistan, America and International Terrorism, has revealed that Muslims recruited in the US for the mujaheddin were sent to Camp Peary, the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where young Afghans, Arabs from Egypt and Jordan, and even some African-American "black Muslims" were taught "sabotage skills".
The November 1, 1998, British Independent reported that one of those charged with the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, Ali Mohammed, had trained "bin Laden's operatives" in 1989.
These "operatives" were recruited at the al Kifah Refugee Centre in Brooklyn, New York, given paramilitary training in the New York area and then sent to Afghanistan with US assistance to join Hekmatyar's forces. Mohammed was a member of the US army's elite Green Berets.
The program, reported the Independent, was part of a Washington-approved plan called "Operation Cyclone".
In Pakistan, recruits, money and equipment were distributed to the mujaheddin factions by an organisation known as Maktab al Khidamar (Office of Services — MAK).
MAK was a front for Pakistan's CIA, the Inter-Service Intelligence Directorate. The ISI was the first recipient of the vast bulk of CIA and Saudi Arabian covert assistance for the Afghan contras. Bin Laden was one of three people who ran MAK. In 1989, he took overall charge of MAK.
Among those trained by Mohammed were El Sayyid Nosair, who was jailed in 1995 for killing Israeli rightist Rabbi Meir Kahane and plotting with others to bomb New York landmarks, including the World Trade Center in 1993.
The Independent also suggested that Shiekh Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian religious leader also jailed for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center, was also part of Operation Cyclone. He entered the US in 1990 with the CIA's approval. A confidential CIA report concluded that the agency was "partly culpable" for the 1993 World Trade Center blast, the Independent reported.
* Bin Laden
Osama bin Laden
Osama's military and business adventures in Afghanistan had the blessing of the bin Laden dynasty and the reactionary Saudi Arabian regime. His close working relationship with MAK also meant that the CIA was fully aware of his activities.
Milt Bearden, the CIA's station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, "Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... [Guys like] bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year.
And this is what bin Laden did."
In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built "training camps", some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.
These camps, now dubbed "terrorist universities" by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.
SOURCE : https://www.greenleft.org.au/content/how-cia-created-osama-bin-laden
* BONUS :
HOW MANY PEOPLE DID THE NAZIS MURDER?
Nazi Germany committed mass murder on an unprecedented scale. The Nazis and their allies and collaborators killed six million Jewish people. This systematic, state-sponsored genocide is now known as the Holocaust. The Nazis and their allies and collaborators also committed other mass atrocities. They persecuted and killed millions of non-Jewish people during World War II.
The Nazi German regime systematically murdered Jewish people in gas chambers; mass shooting operations; and through deliberate privation, disease, and brutal treatment. The Nazi German regime systematically murdered Jewish people in gas chambers; mass shooting operations; and through deliberate privation, disease, and brutal treatment.
SOURCE : https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution
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CPL LaForest Gray
Capt Jeff S.
1.) “it's not a conspiracy when it's real. I saw the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop on the dark web and it's pretty pornographic and disgusting... “
Q : Did you screen shot with your computer or take a picture with your phone to collect FACTS?
Q : Did you alert the proper authorities for possible/potential danger of a child molester?
2.) “Once was enough. I can't unsee some of what I saw. Suffice it to say, Hunter likes to take pics of himself when he's high and he's pretty proud of his tool.
* He even stacked up M&M's on it and took another pic of himself measuring it. Deep fake? I don't think so. Why?”
Q : Did you collect FACTS and turn them over to the proper authorities to investigate?
[ These are legitimate questions/inquiry …. Going on the Deepweb/Darkweb purposely, is going on to find FACTS …. The Dark/Deepweb is known for its illegal activities and if one is searching for FACTS, one should be situated to collect FACTS. ]
Were you investing to find FACTS to be able to hold people such as Hunter Biden accountable?
Thing is … when one is out FACT finding, then they’re prepared to gather and present those FACTS.
If Hunter Biden is a sexual predator/child molester it needs to be exposed … if not, some people love drama.
The questions I asked only pertain to the information you’ve published and publicly spoke about. No twisting of your own words nor anything taken out of context.
* { Evidence to proper investigation personale would have been useful for FACT purposes and building a legal case for prosecution }
1.) “it's not a conspiracy when it's real. I saw the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop on the dark web and it's pretty pornographic and disgusting... “
Q : Did you screen shot with your computer or take a picture with your phone to collect FACTS?
Q : Did you alert the proper authorities for possible/potential danger of a child molester?
2.) “Once was enough. I can't unsee some of what I saw. Suffice it to say, Hunter likes to take pics of himself when he's high and he's pretty proud of his tool.
* He even stacked up M&M's on it and took another pic of himself measuring it. Deep fake? I don't think so. Why?”
Q : Did you collect FACTS and turn them over to the proper authorities to investigate?
[ These are legitimate questions/inquiry …. Going on the Deepweb/Darkweb purposely, is going on to find FACTS …. The Dark/Deepweb is known for its illegal activities and if one is searching for FACTS, one should be situated to collect FACTS. ]
Were you investing to find FACTS to be able to hold people such as Hunter Biden accountable?
Thing is … when one is out FACT finding, then they’re prepared to gather and present those FACTS.
If Hunter Biden is a sexual predator/child molester it needs to be exposed … if not, some people love drama.
The questions I asked only pertain to the information you’ve published and publicly spoke about. No twisting of your own words nor anything taken out of context.
* { Evidence to proper investigation personale would have been useful for FACT purposes and building a legal case for prosecution }
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CPL LaForest Gray
Capt Jeff S.
The Epstein List: Full list of names revealed in unsealed court records so far
Prince Andrew, David Copperfield and Bill Clinton are among the names included in court documents published
Monday 22 January 2024 04:52
* Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s former girlfriend, convicted in 2021 of sex trafficking in connection to Epstein’s activities
* Prince Andrew, Duke of York, second son of Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. Brother of King Charles III
* Bill Clinton, former US president
* Donald Trump, businessman and former US president
* Hillary Clinton, former first lady to Bill Clinton, US secretary of state under Barack Obama, and US presidential candidate
* David Copperfield, American stage magician
* John Connelly, New York police detective turned investigative journalist who investigated Epstein
* Alan Dershowitz, prolific lawyer and media pundit who represented Epstein in 2006
* Leonardo DiCaprio, actor and film producer famous for his roles in Titanic and Inception
* Al Gore, former US vice president under Bill Clinton
* Richard Branson, British billionaire and business magnate, founder of the Virgin Group
* Stephen Hawking, British physicist and science author
* Ehud Barak, former Israeli prime minister
* Michael Jackson, famed musician known as the “King of Pop”
* Marvin Minksy, artificial intelligence pioneer
* Kevin Spacey, actor known for his roles in Se7en and House of Cards, found not guilty of sexual assault in 2023
* George Lucas, American film director and creator of the Star Wars saga
* Jean Luc Brunel, French model agency boss and alleged Epstein co-conspirator who died in an apparent suicide while awaiting trial
* Cate Blanchett, Australian actor who starred in The Lord of the Rings and Tár
* Naomi Campbell, British model
* Heidi Klum, German-US model
* Sharon Churcher, British journalist
* Bruce Willis, actor famous for his roles in Die Hard and The Sixth Sense
* Bianca Jagger, activist and wife of The Rolling Stones frontman, Sir Mick Jagger
* Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico
* Cameron Diaz, actor who starred in Shrek and There’s Something About Mary
* Glenn Dubin, an American hedge fund manager who was allegedly friends with Epstein
* Eva Andersson-Dubin, former Miss Sweden and wife of Glenn Dubin, who once dated Epstein
* Noam Chomsky, linguist and political philosopher
* Tom Pritzker, American tycoon and philanthropist
* Chris Tucker, American comedian and actor known for his role in the Rush Hour films
* Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, former wife of Prince Andrew
* Robert F Kennedy Jr, American politician and conspiracy theorist
* James Michael Austrich
* Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstein’s home in Florida
* Janusz Banasiak, served as Epstein’s Palm Beach house manager
* Bella Klein or Klen (documents differ), a former accountant in Epstein’s New York office
* Leslie or Lesley Groff (documents differ), Epstein’s former secretary, who was named as a co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal but reportedly will not be charged
* Victoria Bean
* Rebecca Boylan
* Dana Burns
* Ron Eppinger, sex trafficker
* Daniel Estes
* Annie Farmer, accused Epstein of sexual assault
* Maria Farmer, Annie Farmer’s sister, who also accused Epstein of sexual assault
* Anouska De Georgiou, a model who accused Epstein of rape
* Louis Freeh, former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
* Frédéric Fekkai, celebrity hairstylist
* Alexandra Fekkai, son of celebrity hairstylist
* Jo Jo Fontanella, Epstein’s butler
* Doug Band, longtime Bill Clinton aide who says he urged Mr Clinton to cut ties with Epstein
* Virginia Giuffre, formerly known as Virginia Roberts, accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault
* Lynn Miller, mother of Virginia Giuffre
* Crystal Figueroa, sister of Anthony Figueroa, who dated Virginia Giuffre in the early 2000s
* Anthony Figueroa, Virginia Robert’s former boyfriend
* Eric Gany
* Meg Garvin, represented Virginia Giuffre
* Sheridan Gibson-Butte,
* Ross Gow, Maxwell’s press agent
* Fred Graff
* Robert Giuffre
* Philip Guderyon
* Alexandra Hall
* Joanna Harrison
* Shannon Harrison
* Victoria Hazel
* Brittany Henderson
* Brett Jaffe
* Forest Jones
* Sarah Kellen, Epstein’s former assistant, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
* Adriana Ross, Epstein’s former assistant, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
* Carol Kess
* Dr Steven Olson
* Stephen Kaufmann
* Wendy Leigh, author
* Peter Listerman
* Tom Lyons
* Nadia Marcinkova, alleged friend of Epstein’s, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
* Bob Meister
* Jamie Melanson
* Donald Morrell
* David Mullen
* David Norr
* Joe Pagano
* May Paluga
* Stanley Pottinger
* Detective Joe Recarey, former Palm Beach police officer who investigated reports of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
* Chief Michael Reiter, responsible for investigation of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
* Rinaldo and Debra Rizzo, husband and wife who worked for Epstein’s alleged friend Glenn Dubin
* Sky Roberts
* Kimblerley Roberts
* Lynn Roberts
* Haley Robson, named as a “teen recruiter” for Epstein in police documents
* Dave Rodgers, private jet pilot for Epstein
* Alfredo Rodriquez, butler at Epstein’s Florida home
* Scott Rothinson
* Forest Sawyer
* Dough Schoetlle,investigator
* Johanna Sjoberg, claims she was sexually abused while underage by Epstein. Also claimed Prince Andrew touched her breast
* Cecilia Stein
* Marianne Strong
* Mark Tafoya
* Emmy Taylor, Maxwell’s ex-personal assistant
* Brent Tindall
* Kevin Thompson
* Ed Tuttle
* Les Wexner, founder of L Brands and a former business partner of Epstein
* Abigail Wexner, wife of Les Wexner
* Cresenda Valdes
* Emma Vaghan
* Anthony Valladares
* Christina Venero, licensed massage therapist
* Maritza Vazquez
* Vicky Ward, investigative journalist and author who claims she was blocked from covering Epstein’s misdeeds while working at Vanity Fair
* Jarred Weisfield
* Sharon White
* Courtney Wild
* Daniel Wilson
* Mark Zeff, New York decorator
* Kelly Spamm, unknown person listed as flying on Epstein’s private jet
* Alexandra Dixon, unknown person listed in Epstein’s ‘little black book’
* Alfredo Rodriguez, Epstein’s former household manager, jailed in 2012 for hiding and trying to sell Epstein’s ‘black book’
* Ricardo Legorreta, Mexican designer listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private jet
* Dr Chris Donahue, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre, included on a list of all her previous medical providers requested by Maxwell’s defence team
* Dr Wah Wah, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Judith Lightfoot, psychologist who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Karen Kutikoff, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Carol Hayek, psychiatrist who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr John Harris, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Darshanee Majaliyana, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr John Harris, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Mona Devansean, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Scott Robert Geiger, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Michele Streeter, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Donna Oliver, physician assistant who treated Virginia Giuffre
This story is still developing, and will be updated regularly as The Independent learns more.
SOURCE : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-list-names-b2484475.html
The Epstein List: Full list of names revealed in unsealed court records so far
Prince Andrew, David Copperfield and Bill Clinton are among the names included in court documents published
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* Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s former girlfriend, convicted in 2021 of sex trafficking in connection to Epstein’s activities
* Prince Andrew, Duke of York, second son of Queen Elizabeth II of Great Britain. Brother of King Charles III
* Bill Clinton, former US president
* Donald Trump, businessman and former US president
* Hillary Clinton, former first lady to Bill Clinton, US secretary of state under Barack Obama, and US presidential candidate
* David Copperfield, American stage magician
* John Connelly, New York police detective turned investigative journalist who investigated Epstein
* Alan Dershowitz, prolific lawyer and media pundit who represented Epstein in 2006
* Leonardo DiCaprio, actor and film producer famous for his roles in Titanic and Inception
* Al Gore, former US vice president under Bill Clinton
* Richard Branson, British billionaire and business magnate, founder of the Virgin Group
* Stephen Hawking, British physicist and science author
* Ehud Barak, former Israeli prime minister
* Michael Jackson, famed musician known as the “King of Pop”
* Marvin Minksy, artificial intelligence pioneer
* Kevin Spacey, actor known for his roles in Se7en and House of Cards, found not guilty of sexual assault in 2023
* George Lucas, American film director and creator of the Star Wars saga
* Jean Luc Brunel, French model agency boss and alleged Epstein co-conspirator who died in an apparent suicide while awaiting trial
* Cate Blanchett, Australian actor who starred in The Lord of the Rings and Tár
* Naomi Campbell, British model
* Heidi Klum, German-US model
* Sharon Churcher, British journalist
* Bruce Willis, actor famous for his roles in Die Hard and The Sixth Sense
* Bianca Jagger, activist and wife of The Rolling Stones frontman, Sir Mick Jagger
* Bill Richardson, former governor of New Mexico
* Cameron Diaz, actor who starred in Shrek and There’s Something About Mary
* Glenn Dubin, an American hedge fund manager who was allegedly friends with Epstein
* Eva Andersson-Dubin, former Miss Sweden and wife of Glenn Dubin, who once dated Epstein
* Noam Chomsky, linguist and political philosopher
* Tom Pritzker, American tycoon and philanthropist
* Chris Tucker, American comedian and actor known for his role in the Rush Hour films
* Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York, former wife of Prince Andrew
* Robert F Kennedy Jr, American politician and conspiracy theorist
* James Michael Austrich
* Juan and Maria Alessi, husband and wife working at Epstein’s home in Florida
* Janusz Banasiak, served as Epstein’s Palm Beach house manager
* Bella Klein or Klen (documents differ), a former accountant in Epstein’s New York office
* Leslie or Lesley Groff (documents differ), Epstein’s former secretary, who was named as a co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal but reportedly will not be charged
* Victoria Bean
* Rebecca Boylan
* Dana Burns
* Ron Eppinger, sex trafficker
* Daniel Estes
* Annie Farmer, accused Epstein of sexual assault
* Maria Farmer, Annie Farmer’s sister, who also accused Epstein of sexual assault
* Anouska De Georgiou, a model who accused Epstein of rape
* Louis Freeh, former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI)
* Frédéric Fekkai, celebrity hairstylist
* Alexandra Fekkai, son of celebrity hairstylist
* Jo Jo Fontanella, Epstein’s butler
* Doug Band, longtime Bill Clinton aide who says he urged Mr Clinton to cut ties with Epstein
* Virginia Giuffre, formerly known as Virginia Roberts, accused Prince Andrew of sexual assault
* Lynn Miller, mother of Virginia Giuffre
* Crystal Figueroa, sister of Anthony Figueroa, who dated Virginia Giuffre in the early 2000s
* Anthony Figueroa, Virginia Robert’s former boyfriend
* Eric Gany
* Meg Garvin, represented Virginia Giuffre
* Sheridan Gibson-Butte,
* Ross Gow, Maxwell’s press agent
* Fred Graff
* Robert Giuffre
* Philip Guderyon
* Alexandra Hall
* Joanna Harrison
* Shannon Harrison
* Victoria Hazel
* Brittany Henderson
* Brett Jaffe
* Forest Jones
* Sarah Kellen, Epstein’s former assistant, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
* Adriana Ross, Epstein’s former assistant, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
* Carol Kess
* Dr Steven Olson
* Stephen Kaufmann
* Wendy Leigh, author
* Peter Listerman
* Tom Lyons
* Nadia Marcinkova, alleged friend of Epstein’s, named as an unindicted co-conspirator in his 2008 plea deal
* Bob Meister
* Jamie Melanson
* Donald Morrell
* David Mullen
* David Norr
* Joe Pagano
* May Paluga
* Stanley Pottinger
* Detective Joe Recarey, former Palm Beach police officer who investigated reports of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
* Chief Michael Reiter, responsible for investigation of sexual abuse against children by Epstein
* Rinaldo and Debra Rizzo, husband and wife who worked for Epstein’s alleged friend Glenn Dubin
* Sky Roberts
* Kimblerley Roberts
* Lynn Roberts
* Haley Robson, named as a “teen recruiter” for Epstein in police documents
* Dave Rodgers, private jet pilot for Epstein
* Alfredo Rodriquez, butler at Epstein’s Florida home
* Scott Rothinson
* Forest Sawyer
* Dough Schoetlle,investigator
* Johanna Sjoberg, claims she was sexually abused while underage by Epstein. Also claimed Prince Andrew touched her breast
* Cecilia Stein
* Marianne Strong
* Mark Tafoya
* Emmy Taylor, Maxwell’s ex-personal assistant
* Brent Tindall
* Kevin Thompson
* Ed Tuttle
* Les Wexner, founder of L Brands and a former business partner of Epstein
* Abigail Wexner, wife of Les Wexner
* Cresenda Valdes
* Emma Vaghan
* Anthony Valladares
* Christina Venero, licensed massage therapist
* Maritza Vazquez
* Vicky Ward, investigative journalist and author who claims she was blocked from covering Epstein’s misdeeds while working at Vanity Fair
* Jarred Weisfield
* Sharon White
* Courtney Wild
* Daniel Wilson
* Mark Zeff, New York decorator
* Kelly Spamm, unknown person listed as flying on Epstein’s private jet
* Alexandra Dixon, unknown person listed in Epstein’s ‘little black book’
* Alfredo Rodriguez, Epstein’s former household manager, jailed in 2012 for hiding and trying to sell Epstein’s ‘black book’
* Ricardo Legorreta, Mexican designer listed as a passenger on Epstein’s private jet
* Dr Chris Donahue, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre, included on a list of all her previous medical providers requested by Maxwell’s defence team
* Dr Wah Wah, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Judith Lightfoot, psychologist who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Karen Kutikoff, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Carol Hayek, psychiatrist who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr John Harris, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Darshanee Majaliyana, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr John Harris, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Mona Devansean, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Scott Robert Geiger, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Dr Michele Streeter, physician who treated Virginia Giuffre
* Donna Oliver, physician assistant who treated Virginia Giuffre
This story is still developing, and will be updated regularly as The Independent learns more.
SOURCE : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/jeffrey-epstein-list-names-b2484475.html
The Epstein List: Full list of names revealed in unsealed court records so far
Prince Andrew, David Copperfield and Bill Clinton are among the names included in court documents published
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Lt Col John (Jack) Christensen not sure how the MAGA MINION veterans justify their support for 45... and not for our Republic democracy & preservation of our Constitution.
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Whataboutism: Avoiding Topics by Raising Irrelevant Ones
what·a·bout·ism
/ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/
nounBRITISH
1. the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue."the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"
SOURCE : https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=88b95c63-6f35-412a-9786-d99c13c9e359
What about 'whataboutism'?
“Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject ("What about the economy?") to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.
The tactic behind whataboutism has been around for a long time. Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of tu quoque, which means "you too" in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you.
Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation.”
SOURCE : https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning
what·a·bout·ism
/ˌ(h)wədəˈboudizəm/
nounBRITISH
1. the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue."the parliamentary hearing appeared to be an exercise in whataboutism"
SOURCE : https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=88b95c63-6f35-412a-9786-d99c13c9e359
What about 'whataboutism'?
“Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject ("What about the economy?") to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.
The tactic behind whataboutism has been around for a long time. Rhetoricians generally consider it to be a form of tu quoque, which means "you too" in Latin and involves charging your accuser with whatever it is you've just been accused of rather than refuting the truth of the accusation made against you.
Tu quoque is considered to be a logical fallacy, because whether or not the original accuser is likewise guilty of an offense has no bearing on the truth value of the original accusation.”
SOURCE : https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning
Whataboutism: Avoiding Topics by Raising Irrelevant Ones
“Whataboutism” is a rhetorical manouvre often used by those seeking to avoid the topic at hand, and can frequently be seen in the comments section of…
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Trump Calls Fallen U.S. Troops 'Losers' and 'Suckers' | NowThis
TRUMP ATTACKS FALLEN TROOPS: Trump allegedly called fallen U.S. troops ‘losers’ and ‘suckers,’ according to a report from The Atlantic.» Subscribe to NowThis...
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They said that he said. Anybody can make any sort of claim. What I know is the he created a special hotline for veterans, and I got help dealing with the VA. Don't whinge at me about VSO's. They have never served women.
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