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I got a Relief for Cause NCOER, and I am currently facing QMP, and the board convenes today. Little bit of background my commander did not like me whatsoever. He fired me without any justification. I have been in the army for 17 years. My question is what I can expect? What do the board members take into consideration? If anyone wants to see the horrific NCOER let me know
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First, since 2021, there's no appeal or reconsideration of the results from a QMP board unless you can show some significant impact after your file was locked (as of today - the date the board convenes) or if there is information in the file that should have been considered by the board but for some reason wasn't. If that is the case, then you might be sent through a second QMP board if that is brought to light (formal request for reconsideration).
As to what to expect - the QMP board will look at your entire file (including the restricted portion) for a holistic view of your service. The RFC NCOER may have triggered the QMP review, but it's not the only thing that will be considered. There isn't some specific criteria that is going to 'make' or 'break' you.
The board will operate under the "presumption of administrative finality". In other words, what is is your record is complete and accurate. If anything is wrong or if something is missing, then the burden is on the Soldier to make sure it is complete.
Regarding your NCOER - if your commander gave you a relief for cause without justification, I assume you have appealed that NCOER and also submitted documents to the QMP board notifying them of such and laying out the context of the NCOER and lack of justification (or evidence of bias of your commander) for being relieved.
If not, then either you're griping about a valid NCOER and/or you didn't explore the options related to the NCOER or the QMP board and what your actions should be ESPECIALLY considering the significant impact they could have to your career.
IF the board identifies you, then your separation date will be the first day of the seventh month following the approval of the QMP list by the Army G1's office (the Dir. of Military Personnel Management). Hypothetically, you are identified as one of the individuals and the list goes forward and is approved in May. Your separation date would be December 1st, 2024. However, if you reach 18 years of qualifying active duty service prior to December 1st, then you will be allowed to reenlist/extend to the first month after you reach 20 years.
If you are selected and separated because you won't meet the 18 years threshold, your discharge will be honorable (assuming nothing else changes that) and you would receive a RE-3 reentry code (this changed in FY18). While it's unlikely you would be allowed back on active duty, you would be allowed to pursue reenlisting on the reserve component side and continuing your service.
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* QMP FAQs - https://home.army.mil/buchanan/application/files/6615/3805/7291/ILO_Separation_under_the_Qualitative_Management_Program_QMP.pdf
As to what to expect - the QMP board will look at your entire file (including the restricted portion) for a holistic view of your service. The RFC NCOER may have triggered the QMP review, but it's not the only thing that will be considered. There isn't some specific criteria that is going to 'make' or 'break' you.
The board will operate under the "presumption of administrative finality". In other words, what is is your record is complete and accurate. If anything is wrong or if something is missing, then the burden is on the Soldier to make sure it is complete.
Regarding your NCOER - if your commander gave you a relief for cause without justification, I assume you have appealed that NCOER and also submitted documents to the QMP board notifying them of such and laying out the context of the NCOER and lack of justification (or evidence of bias of your commander) for being relieved.
If not, then either you're griping about a valid NCOER and/or you didn't explore the options related to the NCOER or the QMP board and what your actions should be ESPECIALLY considering the significant impact they could have to your career.
IF the board identifies you, then your separation date will be the first day of the seventh month following the approval of the QMP list by the Army G1's office (the Dir. of Military Personnel Management). Hypothetically, you are identified as one of the individuals and the list goes forward and is approved in May. Your separation date would be December 1st, 2024. However, if you reach 18 years of qualifying active duty service prior to December 1st, then you will be allowed to reenlist/extend to the first month after you reach 20 years.
If you are selected and separated because you won't meet the 18 years threshold, your discharge will be honorable (assuming nothing else changes that) and you would receive a RE-3 reentry code (this changed in FY18). While it's unlikely you would be allowed back on active duty, you would be allowed to pursue reenlisting on the reserve component side and continuing your service.
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* QMP FAQs - https://home.army.mil/buchanan/application/files/6615/3805/7291/ILO_Separation_under_the_Qualitative_Management_Program_QMP.pdf
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Thank you very much for your response, Sir would I be able to send you my NCOER to see what exactly I have concerns about?
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COL Randall C.
SSG (Join to see) - Honestly, it won't do you much good to send it to me unless you are looking for another sympathetic ear. At this point "it is what it is". I could respond with "You're up the creek and don't have a paddle" or "that's nothing to worry about", but either response will have no effect on what the QMP board is going to say.
Your best course of action at this point is to assume you will be selected by the board for separation and plan accordingly. The earliest separation date you would get is November 1st of this year (IF they rush through the board, have them QCed and then approved by the G1's office).
Will you be over 18 by then? If so, then you have over two years to figure out what to do when you're put out at 20 and to plan your separation accordingly.
If not, then you'll have a bit over seven months (at least) to plan accordingly, but I would wait on the results of the QMP board before you start making any decisions.
Regarding your NCOER, I'll be blunt. If you haven't appealed it by now, then you either agree with it, don't believe it will have a serious impact on you, or don't believe the 'cost' to you (in effort, money, etc.) is worth the process to do so.
In any case, the truism that I was told about 35 years ago by an old crusty CSM in my first unit - "Ain't nobody going to watch out for your career as well as you would, so if you're going to wait for someone to fix something, you're going to be waiting a long time".
Again, I and others can sympathize with you, but if you don't take control to fix the situation yourself, you can be pretty sure it's never going to be addressed.
Your best course of action at this point is to assume you will be selected by the board for separation and plan accordingly. The earliest separation date you would get is November 1st of this year (IF they rush through the board, have them QCed and then approved by the G1's office).
Will you be over 18 by then? If so, then you have over two years to figure out what to do when you're put out at 20 and to plan your separation accordingly.
If not, then you'll have a bit over seven months (at least) to plan accordingly, but I would wait on the results of the QMP board before you start making any decisions.
Regarding your NCOER, I'll be blunt. If you haven't appealed it by now, then you either agree with it, don't believe it will have a serious impact on you, or don't believe the 'cost' to you (in effort, money, etc.) is worth the process to do so.
In any case, the truism that I was told about 35 years ago by an old crusty CSM in my first unit - "Ain't nobody going to watch out for your career as well as you would, so if you're going to wait for someone to fix something, you're going to be waiting a long time".
Again, I and others can sympathize with you, but if you don't take control to fix the situation yourself, you can be pretty sure it's never going to be addressed.
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