Posted on Jan 26, 2015
When, Not If, Will We See Open Transgender Military Service?
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On November 23, 2014, the Palm Center released a statement entitled "Military Services Have Failed To Comply With New Defense Department Rules On Transgender Personnel."
http://www.palmcenter.org/files/services%20out%20of%20compliance%20memo.pdf
This followed a report from last March where former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders led a group that concluded there were no sound medical reasons why transgender people couldn't serve in the military services. It also followed an August report outlining a blueprint for how transgender people can be integrated into the military services - integrated much in the same way as 18 of our allies have already accomplished within their military services.
Military Times covered release of this latest report by the Palm Center. "A change to a Pentagon personnel policy three months ago loosens the rules barring transgender troops from serving in the U.S. military," stated the Army and Navy Times in their article entitled Report: Loophole could allow transgender troops to serve under new DoD policy, "giving the individual services leeway to retain these personnel." The article further stated, "The update -- to Defense Department Instruction 1332.18, Disability Evaluation System -- provides a loophole for the services to let transgender troops serve instead of requiring administrative separation, the Palm Center says."
The same socially conservative religious organizations that argued against repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) such as the Center for Military Readiness, the Center for Security Policy, and the Family Research Council, are using almost identical arguments. In the end, those arguments didn't work and DADT was repealed.
DADT was a federal law passed in 1993 that barred lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) service members from serving openly in the military services, and the law needed repeal before LGB service members could serve openly in recent years. All that bars transgender people from serving openly now is the DoD and individual service regulations. And, it appears that the overarching DoD regulation was weakened last August so that the four DoD military services could change their rules now to allow open transgender service.
The military didn't implode when LGB service members could serve openly in the American military services; the military won't implode if – or when - transgender service members can serve openly in the American military services. Honestly, does anybody currently serving in the military, who has given more than a moment's thought to this, really believe there won't come a point in the next five years or so where transgender service members are serving openly? I think most people who've put some thought into this know that it's not a question of whether America will have openly transgender service members at some point, but rather a question of when we'll have it.
So with that in mind, do you agree it's a question of "when" and not "if"? And if you agree it's a "when," how soon do you believe we'll see open transgender military service?
http://www.palmcenter.org/files/services%20out%20of%20compliance%20memo.pdf
This followed a report from last March where former Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders led a group that concluded there were no sound medical reasons why transgender people couldn't serve in the military services. It also followed an August report outlining a blueprint for how transgender people can be integrated into the military services - integrated much in the same way as 18 of our allies have already accomplished within their military services.
Military Times covered release of this latest report by the Palm Center. "A change to a Pentagon personnel policy three months ago loosens the rules barring transgender troops from serving in the U.S. military," stated the Army and Navy Times in their article entitled Report: Loophole could allow transgender troops to serve under new DoD policy, "giving the individual services leeway to retain these personnel." The article further stated, "The update -- to Defense Department Instruction 1332.18, Disability Evaluation System -- provides a loophole for the services to let transgender troops serve instead of requiring administrative separation, the Palm Center says."
The same socially conservative religious organizations that argued against repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell (DADT) such as the Center for Military Readiness, the Center for Security Policy, and the Family Research Council, are using almost identical arguments. In the end, those arguments didn't work and DADT was repealed.
DADT was a federal law passed in 1993 that barred lesbian, gay, and bisexual (LGB) service members from serving openly in the military services, and the law needed repeal before LGB service members could serve openly in recent years. All that bars transgender people from serving openly now is the DoD and individual service regulations. And, it appears that the overarching DoD regulation was weakened last August so that the four DoD military services could change their rules now to allow open transgender service.
The military didn't implode when LGB service members could serve openly in the American military services; the military won't implode if – or when - transgender service members can serve openly in the American military services. Honestly, does anybody currently serving in the military, who has given more than a moment's thought to this, really believe there won't come a point in the next five years or so where transgender service members are serving openly? I think most people who've put some thought into this know that it's not a question of whether America will have openly transgender service members at some point, but rather a question of when we'll have it.
So with that in mind, do you agree it's a question of "when" and not "if"? And if you agree it's a "when," how soon do you believe we'll see open transgender military service?
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I don't care what your sexuality is. I don't care what your politics are. I don't care what religion you practice. I don't want people shoving all of it in my face all the time. Hi!, I'm Mark and I am a republican, heterosexual Christian. Hi! I'm Mark and I am a republican, heterosexual Christian. Hi! I'm Mark and I am a republican, heterosexual, Christian. Good for me. Good for you. Hi! I'm Mark and I am a proud American service member. One team...one fight!, but quit ramming all your individuality down my throat. Be proud of being an American where you are free. Now pick up your weapon and follow me!
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SrA Cecelia Eareckson
PO1 Todd McMillin - Name one other palpably false claim that is humored in like fashion? BTW, the very little research done on the subject before slice, dice, and inject became standard tx showed a failure to bond with the same sex parent. Also BTW, I have friends who are afflicted with this idea, and it is painful to see. Concern is not hate.
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SCPO Lonny Randolph
PO1 Todd McMillin - The SFC's comment is neither hateful or bigoted. He is simply stating he would just as soon NOT have someone else's sexuality or gender identification crammed in his face. Apparently you feel otherwise; regardless, his comment did not warrant the litany of nonsense you just posted. Perhaps YOU are the one who is having a problem here.
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SrA Cecelia Eareckson
SrA Hilbert Steiner - There was an interval when USAF E-4 was split between SrA and Sgt. The former, like myself in 1979, were only planning to serve one term. The latter were expecting to re-up.
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PO1 Todd McMillin
SCPO Lonny Randolph - It's not crammed into anyone's face anymore that 90% of the time Evangelical Extremists and the Cult of Trump try to ram their faith down other's throats like a penis. The fact that our Government is full of hypocrites from Pedophile Cross-Dressing Conservatives to Neoliberal Shit Stain Zionist puppets makes me laugh about assholes whining about LGBTQIA folks in the military.
I was there when DADT was abused by the Chief Mess as a weaponized excuse to get people fired for their "suspected" sexual orientation before Obama fixed it. I saw the damage it caused of men and women forced out because of being accused of being gay/homosexual. I guess you forgot about it or came in after they unfucked the problem; that collateral damage was the loss of manpower because of DADT being abused for the same reason that a lot of Chief and other Senior NCOs didn't take well to women in roles of authority back then before it was normalized. Ironically, considering that some of the greatest women who wore a naval uniform were also slandered for their sexual orientation including Admiral Grace Hooper the mother of modern naval computers.
At the same time those same bigoted Chiefs in Chiefs' Mess were having sex with She-Males (Transgendered MTF) at our liberty ports in Greece, Singapore, Thai, and other countries where "bar girls" were legalized prostitution/sex work. I also caught the worst offender an E-8 (SCPO) leaving a brothel with She-Males in Australia.. Who was forced to leave the Navy because he was calling every single women on deployment back in 1995 a "Fucking Bull Dyke or Dyke" right to their faces. Especially since the root of the problem was him not getting advanced to E-9 back when he was just causing more problems in not being able to adapt to women at sea/in combat. He was assigned to forward posting before the carrier arrived for being such an epic level bigot. I was glad he got tossed out over it and even better that he wasn't able to get a GDC because I reported it to the CAG directly about his misconduct.
Then again Hillary Clinton was a raving Lesbian Twat who only cared about her own rise to power and believed in preventing others from having the same WASP rights she did. She and her asshole husband undermined so many womens' right to be in positions of authority and leadership thanks to being a closet Conservative who hated any woman who was her better in education and status. That fucking cunt intentionally ripped up the Glass Elevator she rode up to get to the Oval Office and sent women's progress backwards by 3 decades in Congress. If it wasn't for 9/11 and the goat fuckery of illegally war profiteering at lot of women would sill being seen a gays in the military and outed by the Chiefs to prevent advancement.
Then again it's funny how in compared to the various Ministry of Defense in UK, Canada, Australia and other nations military forces not only have women been in combat since 1980s. But also they had better treatment by their coworkers and superiors. Even in 2006 when the British MOD released their Transgender Regulations there was already at least 10% of those MOD forces that were LGBQIA and openly accepted for it. Our own War College in Norfolk had at least a dozen Lesbian Officers and their spouses from the MoD stationed there when I was in Norfolk from 2003-2009. It was only a matter of time for the Transgender Officer to be in service regardless of that Religious Bigot and Gossipmonger Rupert Murdoch thought about it. Then again it's no wonder that the Queen had him exiled from the Empire for being a piece of shit and had found an audience here in America with the same Fascist/Nationalist beliefs.
I was there when DADT was abused by the Chief Mess as a weaponized excuse to get people fired for their "suspected" sexual orientation before Obama fixed it. I saw the damage it caused of men and women forced out because of being accused of being gay/homosexual. I guess you forgot about it or came in after they unfucked the problem; that collateral damage was the loss of manpower because of DADT being abused for the same reason that a lot of Chief and other Senior NCOs didn't take well to women in roles of authority back then before it was normalized. Ironically, considering that some of the greatest women who wore a naval uniform were also slandered for their sexual orientation including Admiral Grace Hooper the mother of modern naval computers.
At the same time those same bigoted Chiefs in Chiefs' Mess were having sex with She-Males (Transgendered MTF) at our liberty ports in Greece, Singapore, Thai, and other countries where "bar girls" were legalized prostitution/sex work. I also caught the worst offender an E-8 (SCPO) leaving a brothel with She-Males in Australia.. Who was forced to leave the Navy because he was calling every single women on deployment back in 1995 a "Fucking Bull Dyke or Dyke" right to their faces. Especially since the root of the problem was him not getting advanced to E-9 back when he was just causing more problems in not being able to adapt to women at sea/in combat. He was assigned to forward posting before the carrier arrived for being such an epic level bigot. I was glad he got tossed out over it and even better that he wasn't able to get a GDC because I reported it to the CAG directly about his misconduct.
Then again Hillary Clinton was a raving Lesbian Twat who only cared about her own rise to power and believed in preventing others from having the same WASP rights she did. She and her asshole husband undermined so many womens' right to be in positions of authority and leadership thanks to being a closet Conservative who hated any woman who was her better in education and status. That fucking cunt intentionally ripped up the Glass Elevator she rode up to get to the Oval Office and sent women's progress backwards by 3 decades in Congress. If it wasn't for 9/11 and the goat fuckery of illegally war profiteering at lot of women would sill being seen a gays in the military and outed by the Chiefs to prevent advancement.
Then again it's funny how in compared to the various Ministry of Defense in UK, Canada, Australia and other nations military forces not only have women been in combat since 1980s. But also they had better treatment by their coworkers and superiors. Even in 2006 when the British MOD released their Transgender Regulations there was already at least 10% of those MOD forces that were LGBQIA and openly accepted for it. Our own War College in Norfolk had at least a dozen Lesbian Officers and their spouses from the MoD stationed there when I was in Norfolk from 2003-2009. It was only a matter of time for the Transgender Officer to be in service regardless of that Religious Bigot and Gossipmonger Rupert Murdoch thought about it. Then again it's no wonder that the Queen had him exiled from the Empire for being a piece of shit and had found an audience here in America with the same Fascist/Nationalist beliefs.
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I thought that veterans preferred to be recognized, because of their heroic actions not because of their sexual preference or identity. I personally do not care about a persons sex life, but if you must remind me over and over then I guess is all that I will remember about you. I assuming the argument is rater or not taxpayer money should be spent on sex change operations for service members. Is it basic and essential to military efficiency or is it a cosmetic operation.
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SSG Bill McCoy
A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney - Good philosophy! Sort of like, "I'll try anything, once; more if I enjoy it and survive!"
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
SSG Bill McCoy - ..
Life Is Filled With Opportunities; Everything From Business To Fun.
If You Don't Take Advantage Of Them, You'll Never Have Lived Your Life.
As Was Stated On The Movie "Aunti Mame",
"Life Is A Banquette And Most Poor Suckers Are Starving To Death".
~~ And THAT'S An Unfortunate Truth ~~
Life Is Filled With Opportunities; Everything From Business To Fun.
If You Don't Take Advantage Of Them, You'll Never Have Lived Your Life.
As Was Stated On The Movie "Aunti Mame",
"Life Is A Banquette And Most Poor Suckers Are Starving To Death".
~~ And THAT'S An Unfortunate Truth ~~
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CPT (Join to see)
Sgt Alex Bane - There is a difference between a "true" deformity, and an individuals skewed self-image. However my opinion is no more valid than everyone else's.
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SGT Brian Jarvi
The problem with sex change operations are that the people are not deployable. The whole thing has on going medical problems and hormone therapy. There was times when we had no food or water and had to make do. So would there be a special emergency airdrop for their meds? Not to mention infection and ongoing preventive treatments. I’m sorry how anybody feels but there are mental issues going on there.
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If you want to be a man, be one. If you want to be a woman, then go ahead. Its not my business to have a say in what you want to do with the one body you were given. But the government shouldn't have to deal with 'wants'. I'm not trying to say that transgenders are less human, but I simply don't understand how everyone is expected to see this as a necessary surgery.
If being transgender gets in the way of your duties then you should't be in the military.
If being transgender gets in the way of your duties then you should't be in the military.
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SSG Bill McCoy
SPC (Join to see) - Trans surgery IS elective in every sense of the word. Someone wants it ... fine, but NOT at the expense of combat readiness and EVERY single MOS is first and foremost, "a soldier FIRST!" Since when should the taxpayers foot the bill for someone's sexual fantasies?
How would you propose to solve the logistics of prescribed meds for transitioning troops ... in an area of combat? How would you propose to solve the mental health needs of someone in a crisis over their sexuality?
Easy answer: DON'T let them join in the first place, just like we don't allow alcoholics of diabetics to joint for the same reasons called, "readiness."
How would you propose to solve the logistics of prescribed meds for transitioning troops ... in an area of combat? How would you propose to solve the mental health needs of someone in a crisis over their sexuality?
Easy answer: DON'T let them join in the first place, just like we don't allow alcoholics of diabetics to joint for the same reasons called, "readiness."
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SSG Bill McCoy
Capt Seid Waddell no argument here. As you say, "Mental illness is a disqualify characteristic." I'm not in favor or transgender people serving and couldn't find a comment (by me) that resulted in your response.
The main reason I'm opposed to them serving, is the ONGOING issues of medical/psychiatric care they require that will hinder unit effectiveness like deployments, etc.
The main reason I'm opposed to them serving, is the ONGOING issues of medical/psychiatric care they require that will hinder unit effectiveness like deployments, etc.
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SFC Howard Holmes
SSG Bill McCoy - Wait, wait, wait, with the policies being placed on the military, there seems to be VERY LITTLE common sense involved SSG.
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