Army Regulations
Army Regulations
Posted on Oct 13, 2017
How would you handle a situation where you saw a soldier (even one of your own soldiers) kneeling during our national anthem?
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Out of uniform and off-base, nothing identifying him or her as a service member; I'd let it pass.
In uniform or actively signaling that he/she is a service member, I'd identify myself and ask to see ID. Then I would ask their unit, the unit's phone number, and the unit's senior SNCO. Finally I would tell them that I would be referring the matter to their senior SNCO, and advise them that they probably want to make sure that SNCO knows before 0800 on the next work day. Because I will by 0815. And God help them if they've lied about what unit they belong to because I will track them down.
In uniform or actively signaling that he/she is a service member, I'd identify myself and ask to see ID. Then I would ask their unit, the unit's phone number, and the unit's senior SNCO. Finally I would tell them that I would be referring the matter to their senior SNCO, and advise them that they probably want to make sure that SNCO knows before 0800 on the next work day. Because I will by 0815. And God help them if they've lied about what unit they belong to because I will track them down.
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CPO Michael Burns
Maj John Bell For your service, I wouldn’t know off the top of my head. For the Navy, one of the regulations is in a manual called Flags, Pennants, Honors, Customs, and Ceremonies. Most high level manuals such as this get approved by the CNO, making them a lawful order. Lawful General Order, if you want to nitpick.
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CPO Michael Burns
CPO Michael Burns Can’t seem to edit from my phone. Reverse the words Ceremonies and Customs. Chapter 12 has specifics of the National Anthem. And this one may be a SECNAV approval instead of CNO. I’m deployed as a contractor so connectivity isn’t great…
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Maj John Bell
CPO Michael Burns - I stand corrected. Thank you CPO Michael Burns I was a Marine so your US Navy Regulation citation applies to me and mine.
When questioned, the other services have cited the U.S. Flag Manual, which does not mandate appropriate honors when in civilian attire, off-base. In addition, the U.S. Flag Manual specifically states that its purpose is to promulgate uniformity and carries no punitive authority.
US Navy Regulations, Chapter 12 [please see link]
" 1205. Procedure During Playing of Nationsl Anthem.
1. Whenever the National Anthem is played, all naval service personnel not in formation shall stand at attention and face the nations ensign. In the event that the national ensign is not displayed, they shall face the source of the music. When covered, they shall come to the salute at the first note of the anthem, and shall remain at the salute until the last note of the anthem."
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/us%20navy%20regulations/forms/allitems.aspx
When questioned, the other services have cited the U.S. Flag Manual, which does not mandate appropriate honors when in civilian attire, off-base. In addition, the U.S. Flag Manual specifically states that its purpose is to promulgate uniformity and carries no punitive authority.
US Navy Regulations, Chapter 12 [please see link]
" 1205. Procedure During Playing of Nationsl Anthem.
1. Whenever the National Anthem is played, all naval service personnel not in formation shall stand at attention and face the nations ensign. In the event that the national ensign is not displayed, they shall face the source of the music. When covered, they shall come to the salute at the first note of the anthem, and shall remain at the salute until the last note of the anthem."
https://www.secnav.navy.mil/doni/us%20navy%20regulations/forms/allitems.aspx
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Depends on the circumstances.
Off duty and out of uniform, we would have a quiet conversation.
On duty and/or in uniform, he would have a really bad day.
Off duty and out of uniform, we would have a quiet conversation.
On duty and/or in uniform, he would have a really bad day.
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SSG Michael McCalla - Well kid even out of uniform u pretty much know who are the soldiers and who are not. And when ur in the military u are ALWAYS on the clock. WHY well kid cause war is not on any clock and can start at any time.
And if ur dissing America in any way u should not be getting a pay check for what is thumbing ur nose at our country, every soldier current and past. There are a very limited amount of things that cannot be allowed even in a free country and dissing what represents it is the SAME as dissing the Constitution. Get out of here
And if ur dissing America in any way u should not be getting a pay check for what is thumbing ur nose at our country, every soldier current and past. There are a very limited amount of things that cannot be allowed even in a free country and dissing what represents it is the SAME as dissing the Constitution. Get out of here
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Maj John Bell
SPC (Join to see) - "...And when ur in the military u are ALWAYS on the clock."
Absolute nonsense.
_Ever consumed an alcoholic between taking the oath and end of active service? According to your flawed understanding your guilty of violating Article 112 of the UCMJ.
_Slept, Article 113.
Exercising your 1st Amendment rights is not the same thing as "dissing the Constitution."
You should take the time to read the posts in this thread. Because your point of view is out of line with the Judicial opinions handed down by the Supreme Court and The Military Court of Appeals... almost like you're "dissing" what the Constitution has to say about judicial review and the role of the Supreme court.
Absolute nonsense.
_Ever consumed an alcoholic between taking the oath and end of active service? According to your flawed understanding your guilty of violating Article 112 of the UCMJ.
_Slept, Article 113.
Exercising your 1st Amendment rights is not the same thing as "dissing the Constitution."
You should take the time to read the posts in this thread. Because your point of view is out of line with the Judicial opinions handed down by the Supreme Court and The Military Court of Appeals... almost like you're "dissing" what the Constitution has to say about judicial review and the role of the Supreme court.
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SGT (Join to see) - The answer is a balancing act between what is normal practice, what should happen, and if you know where he likes to get drunk.
Why do the uncivil always expect others to behave in a civilized manner?
Why do the uncivil always expect others to behave in a civilized manner?
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SSgt Ron Simpson
We did not give our most solumn oath to the National Anthem or the Flag. We gave it to Our Constitution.
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If a soldier kneels during the National Anthem he or she can be Courts Martialed.
Free Speech in the military is constrained by the UCMJ.
DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty.
Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation.
Free Speech in the military is constrained by the UCMJ.
DOD Directive 1344.10 - POLITICAL ACTIVITIES BY MEMBERS OF THE ARMED FORCES ON ACTIVE DUTY, extend these same requirements to all individuals on active duty.
Active duty enlisted members and warrant officers who violate these provisions can be charged under Article 92 of the UCMJ, Failure to Obey an Order or Regulation.
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SSgt Ron Simpson
We did not give our most solumn oath to the National Anthem or the Flag. We gave it to Our Constitution.
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Maj John Bell
COL William Oseles
DoD Directive 1344.10 does not address rendering or failing to render honors to the flag directly, nor to my understanding indirectly. On what specific paragraph and subparagraph are you basing your opinion?
DoD Directive 1344.10 does not address rendering or failing to render honors to the flag directly, nor to my understanding indirectly. On what specific paragraph and subparagraph are you basing your opinion?
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