Pistol Shooting
Pistol Shooting
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When I asked you guys if you really could shoot a sable from fifty meters ...in the snow...while it was moving...like I was told Russian hunters could. The reason I wasn't sure if it was possible...or not. Was that long ago I saw a "quick draw" or "fast draw" guy put on a display for us. His name, I think was Bob Munden. He put on a "Quick draw" demonstration for us back in like 1968 or 69. I just remember never seeing his gun actually leave his holster.
I don't know how to put a video up here, but I bet you can find him on YouTube and put up one of his demonstrations. Not only was he fast, he shot things at 200 meters, with a pistol. And then did some fancy rifle shooting too. If you can post it, I think it is a fun thing to watch.
I don't know how to put a video up here, but I bet you can find him on YouTube and put up one of his demonstrations. Not only was he fast, he shot things at 200 meters, with a pistol. And then did some fancy rifle shooting too. If you can post it, I think it is a fun thing to watch.
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No fast or slow draw shooting for this island boy, hands wouldn't work. Lol
But, I have a brother named Bob.
But, I have a brother named Bob.
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283 paces. A jackrabbit running away from me. My Son in law witnessed it. A Colt Delta Gold Cup SN DG01909, (sold it though), a factory 135gr Corbon Round, in the neck with the second shot. A jackrabbits neck is about 2" wide... Luck.
Another time, my 3 nephews were with me... 75 paces, 30-30 Model 94 Winchester, soft tip 110 grain factory, jackrabbit on a full tilt run parallel to me...center mass hit...first shot... Luck again.
I hunted with a .22 bolt action, without a magazine for years as a kid...I still got it. Learned to shoot with it. A no SN pre '68 Wards Western Field model 497...On the run, cotton tail 110 paces, in the head running away to the left... Luck.
Cotton tail... sitting hiding in a mesquite bush, My brother witnessed the shot. 150 yards with the old Wards.. in the head. Cottontails head is about 3" across. Scared the crap outta my brother cause he couldn't see it. Luck.
On the firing line, five balloon targets on strings, 15-20mph winds and sand blowing start from the holster... Government issued .40, 2 rounds per mag, 3 mags...Whoever shot the center moved to the next matchup, got er done against my squad, Luck. Intentionally lost to my boss... He was an Italian and jealous as shit. Not luck, experience. Everyone against me started with a hand on the holstered weapon. I placed my hands in front of me off the holstered weapon. I figure if I could beat them by handicapping myself it was a good shoot.
On the FATS simulator in the Police Academy... from a snapped holster, government issued .38 S&W, blanks though, hands off the weapon, hands in front of body, center mass from time of threat to actual hit... .0734 of a second. Instructor called it...Luck. Ok I'm good with that.
On the computer, combined set of 5 timed responses using a mouse click... averaged out at .0191 for all 5. Fastest time was .0062...Luck and... timing.
I saw a video clip of the California HP with this old dude... He was known to CHIP as a fast draw...so they and he agreed to showcase his talent... 18 shots from a department owned weapon in less than 6 seconds... and he did it with a department owned .357 and speed loaders and all 18 were on target at like 15 feet in the 10 ring.
Robert Dudley was an old man when I met him after he was burglarized. Coke bottle glasses, and 2 tricked out SAA Ruger's in 45. His fastest time was a world record in the 1990's... .0216 as I recall... 10 feet, from the holster with a hand on it. I saw this old man take out 3 balloons, at 10 feet in less than a second...and the balloons were 15 feet apart. He could fan those Ruger's and you would hear only 1 click...or one bang... he would slow it down for you and you could hear each click and drop of the hammer on all 6 in less than a second. Not luck... flat ass skill.
I was raised out in the country... no neighbors for more than a mile. I hunted for food since my family was dirt ass poor. I took 5 rounds in that old .22 Wards and usually came back with 2 or 3. I took me a entire box of 50 to get used to it and how to aim it... cost was like .39 cents... and that... was money we really did not have to spare.
I don't know of many shooters out there that carry a camera with them when hunting. So you ain't never gonna see a film with me drawing and shooting in my younger days unless the police academy kept that record or that computer program saved my test in some hidden file somewhere. Maybe that's the today thingy... We gotta prove everything by a video... I used, and still use a handshake as a mans word.
I was told, years ago...there are all kinds of folks with all kinds of talents in hand gunning and combat shooting. I've met a few. They do exist. Every time I hit one of those amazing shots...I call it Luck...and there will always be a better shot than me... Because? Because my shooting skills are...
just luck.
Another time, my 3 nephews were with me... 75 paces, 30-30 Model 94 Winchester, soft tip 110 grain factory, jackrabbit on a full tilt run parallel to me...center mass hit...first shot... Luck again.
I hunted with a .22 bolt action, without a magazine for years as a kid...I still got it. Learned to shoot with it. A no SN pre '68 Wards Western Field model 497...On the run, cotton tail 110 paces, in the head running away to the left... Luck.
Cotton tail... sitting hiding in a mesquite bush, My brother witnessed the shot. 150 yards with the old Wards.. in the head. Cottontails head is about 3" across. Scared the crap outta my brother cause he couldn't see it. Luck.
On the firing line, five balloon targets on strings, 15-20mph winds and sand blowing start from the holster... Government issued .40, 2 rounds per mag, 3 mags...Whoever shot the center moved to the next matchup, got er done against my squad, Luck. Intentionally lost to my boss... He was an Italian and jealous as shit. Not luck, experience. Everyone against me started with a hand on the holstered weapon. I placed my hands in front of me off the holstered weapon. I figure if I could beat them by handicapping myself it was a good shoot.
On the FATS simulator in the Police Academy... from a snapped holster, government issued .38 S&W, blanks though, hands off the weapon, hands in front of body, center mass from time of threat to actual hit... .0734 of a second. Instructor called it...Luck. Ok I'm good with that.
On the computer, combined set of 5 timed responses using a mouse click... averaged out at .0191 for all 5. Fastest time was .0062...Luck and... timing.
I saw a video clip of the California HP with this old dude... He was known to CHIP as a fast draw...so they and he agreed to showcase his talent... 18 shots from a department owned weapon in less than 6 seconds... and he did it with a department owned .357 and speed loaders and all 18 were on target at like 15 feet in the 10 ring.
Robert Dudley was an old man when I met him after he was burglarized. Coke bottle glasses, and 2 tricked out SAA Ruger's in 45. His fastest time was a world record in the 1990's... .0216 as I recall... 10 feet, from the holster with a hand on it. I saw this old man take out 3 balloons, at 10 feet in less than a second...and the balloons were 15 feet apart. He could fan those Ruger's and you would hear only 1 click...or one bang... he would slow it down for you and you could hear each click and drop of the hammer on all 6 in less than a second. Not luck... flat ass skill.
I was raised out in the country... no neighbors for more than a mile. I hunted for food since my family was dirt ass poor. I took 5 rounds in that old .22 Wards and usually came back with 2 or 3. I took me a entire box of 50 to get used to it and how to aim it... cost was like .39 cents... and that... was money we really did not have to spare.
I don't know of many shooters out there that carry a camera with them when hunting. So you ain't never gonna see a film with me drawing and shooting in my younger days unless the police academy kept that record or that computer program saved my test in some hidden file somewhere. Maybe that's the today thingy... We gotta prove everything by a video... I used, and still use a handshake as a mans word.
I was told, years ago...there are all kinds of folks with all kinds of talents in hand gunning and combat shooting. I've met a few. They do exist. Every time I hit one of those amazing shots...I call it Luck...and there will always be a better shot than me... Because? Because my shooting skills are...
just luck.
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SGT Kevin Hughes
Sarge, you should put this up as a post! For those of us who suck with a pistol, this is an amazing story. I don’t doubt that there are talented people out there most of whom we’ve never heard of. Because just like you and that old man, nobody brags when they’re really good. They just state the facts that is some remarkable shooting.
And it makes me believe the Russians really could do that kind of shooting in the snow. I never saw the old man you were talking about, but I did see Bob Munsen(I think that’s his name – I’m old and I forgot) at the time he had the world record for Fast or quick draw.
And just like you said, you didn’t see it you just heard the sound and saw the balloon pop.
I just hope I never piss anybody like you off. You have a great day and thanks for the wonderful story.
And it makes me believe the Russians really could do that kind of shooting in the snow. I never saw the old man you were talking about, but I did see Bob Munsen(I think that’s his name – I’m old and I forgot) at the time he had the world record for Fast or quick draw.
And just like you said, you didn’t see it you just heard the sound and saw the balloon pop.
I just hope I never piss anybody like you off. You have a great day and thanks for the wonderful story.
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SSgt Clare May
SGT Kevin Hughes - 1500 times...It takes a person 1500 times to replicate a move...at minimum.
When you were young... when you bit your tongue...it did not take 1500 times to learn to stop biting your tongue...but repetition of how or why you don't desire to bite your tongue will teach yourself how or why not too... well... unless your into pain and a bleeding tongue... and that's another mental health thing for another time...lol...
1500 times grabbing the holstered gun... 1500 times drawing the gun... 1500 times aiming or pointing the gun... 1500 times shooting the gun. Repetition until the movement is without a thought process...the movement becomes... natural... A learned response sorta speaking.
Average response time of a person? 3/4 of a second to identify the threat...another 3/4 of a second to react.... 1.5 seconds. Average... If your driving at 60mph... that's like 90 feet in a second... 30 yards... almost a 1/3rd of a football field....that's 120 feet in 1.5 seconds... A whole lot of shit can happen in 40 yards.
Most handgun battles happen in like 3-15 feet. 5-7 shots. Targets are hit like 10-30% of the time.... unless your NYCPD... they can shoot 54 times and not hit squat. Or shoot at a criminal in an elevator 20 times and with the ricochets hit the target 75 times...
The worst hand gunner in the world can be taught to be on target...and faster than normal...its all about teaching, and this particular lesson is also what we call a "perishable skill"... I.E. ... if you don't use it...you can loose it. lol.
N B safe.
When you were young... when you bit your tongue...it did not take 1500 times to learn to stop biting your tongue...but repetition of how or why you don't desire to bite your tongue will teach yourself how or why not too... well... unless your into pain and a bleeding tongue... and that's another mental health thing for another time...lol...
1500 times grabbing the holstered gun... 1500 times drawing the gun... 1500 times aiming or pointing the gun... 1500 times shooting the gun. Repetition until the movement is without a thought process...the movement becomes... natural... A learned response sorta speaking.
Average response time of a person? 3/4 of a second to identify the threat...another 3/4 of a second to react.... 1.5 seconds. Average... If your driving at 60mph... that's like 90 feet in a second... 30 yards... almost a 1/3rd of a football field....that's 120 feet in 1.5 seconds... A whole lot of shit can happen in 40 yards.
Most handgun battles happen in like 3-15 feet. 5-7 shots. Targets are hit like 10-30% of the time.... unless your NYCPD... they can shoot 54 times and not hit squat. Or shoot at a criminal in an elevator 20 times and with the ricochets hit the target 75 times...
The worst hand gunner in the world can be taught to be on target...and faster than normal...its all about teaching, and this particular lesson is also what we call a "perishable skill"... I.E. ... if you don't use it...you can loose it. lol.
N B safe.
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SGT Kevin Hughes
SSgt Clare May - Loved this comment too! You should post it. Lots of good points in it. The guy who taught me pistol work (and I sucked even after hundreds of rounds) said that when he teaches the FBI, CIA, Seals etc...he tells them that eight feet, center of mass, and you can count on hitting the target. Any further away, and it becomes a crap shoot. So that would explain the 54 rounds and no hits. LOL Thanks for posting this!
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