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FRAGO 1 TO HQDA EXORD 164-20 ARMY PHYSICAL FITNESS TEST (APFT) AND ARMY COMBAT FITNESS TEST (ACFT) DURING THE CORONAVIRUS (COVID-19) OUTBREAK (FOUO), DTG: 272156Z APR 20. FRAGO 1 directs specific adjustments concerning the Army Body Composition Program (ABCP) during the COVID-19 outbreak. Effective immediately, adjustments to the training and conduct of the Army Physical Fitness Test (APFT), Army Combat Fitness Test (ACFT), and Army Body Composition Program (ABCP) assessment screening and tape-testing are implemented to better support COVID-19 mitigation measures, while still ensuring the physical readiness of our Soldiers. Some key points in the FRAGO are: https://www.milsuite.mil/book/docs/DOC-767773
a. (3.B.2.) [Change to read] all current valid passing APFT scores remain valid until further notice. In instances where a Soldier was unable to take an APFT within the 12-months (pregnancy, surgery or injury profile) but passed their last record APFT, the Soldier's last record APFT remains valid until further notice.
b. (3.B.7.) [Add] the height/weight and ABCP assessment conducted in conjunction with record APFT/diagnostic ACFT testing for all components is temporarily suspended until further notice.
c. (3.B.8.) [Add] all current height/weight and ABCP assessments remain valid until further notice.
d. (3.B.9.) [Add] Soldiers and units will continue to comply with the ABCP standards.
e. (3.B.10.) [Add] Soldiers enrolled in the ABCP are expected to make progress towards meeting Army standards.
f. (3.B.11.) [Add] Soldiers flagged for APFT or HT/WT may request to take and pass the APFT and/or the ABCP assessment to overcome the flag provided testing complies with prior guidance and restrictions related to COVID-19. Commanders may execute the monthly ABCP assessment given the COVID-19 mitigation measures are taken. The approval for taking the APFT or HT/WT is the company/battalion commander. The commander is responsible for the safety of their personnel and will verify that COVID-19 mitigation measures are taken.
g. (3.B.12.) [Add] Units requesting active duty operational support (ADOS) during COVID-19 stop movement can waive the APFT requirement due to the suspension of testing. Army body composition program is currently not waiverable.
a. (3.B.2.) [Change to read] all current valid passing APFT scores remain valid until further notice. In instances where a Soldier was unable to take an APFT within the 12-months (pregnancy, surgery or injury profile) but passed their last record APFT, the Soldier's last record APFT remains valid until further notice.
b. (3.B.7.) [Add] the height/weight and ABCP assessment conducted in conjunction with record APFT/diagnostic ACFT testing for all components is temporarily suspended until further notice.
c. (3.B.8.) [Add] all current height/weight and ABCP assessments remain valid until further notice.
d. (3.B.9.) [Add] Soldiers and units will continue to comply with the ABCP standards.
e. (3.B.10.) [Add] Soldiers enrolled in the ABCP are expected to make progress towards meeting Army standards.
f. (3.B.11.) [Add] Soldiers flagged for APFT or HT/WT may request to take and pass the APFT and/or the ABCP assessment to overcome the flag provided testing complies with prior guidance and restrictions related to COVID-19. Commanders may execute the monthly ABCP assessment given the COVID-19 mitigation measures are taken. The approval for taking the APFT or HT/WT is the company/battalion commander. The commander is responsible for the safety of their personnel and will verify that COVID-19 mitigation measures are taken.
g. (3.B.12.) [Add] Units requesting active duty operational support (ADOS) during COVID-19 stop movement can waive the APFT requirement due to the suspension of testing. Army body composition program is currently not waiverable.
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Taking this test can't hurt you.
APFTs are currently only authorized to help the Soldier. Meaning, if you don't have a flag they shouldn't give you a flag but they can remove a flag.
APFTs are currently only authorized to help the Soldier. Meaning, if you don't have a flag they shouldn't give you a flag but they can remove a flag.
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TRADOC is honestly its own set of rules. They have standards that must be met. As you mentioned, you are not currently on profile.
The Army can issue a PT Test at any time for any reason. As a Soldier, it's your responsibility to keep yourself in good physical condition.
As you have been taught if you don't have a profile the Army does not acknowledge your injury. All through basic training and AIT this has been the standard.
My best advice is go to medical or pass the PT Test. Just understand that their are consequences both good or bad.
You are no longer a individual you are a member of a team. Your leadership has to look out what's best for the Army.
Best of luck
The Army can issue a PT Test at any time for any reason. As a Soldier, it's your responsibility to keep yourself in good physical condition.
As you have been taught if you don't have a profile the Army does not acknowledge your injury. All through basic training and AIT this has been the standard.
My best advice is go to medical or pass the PT Test. Just understand that their are consequences both good or bad.
You are no longer a individual you are a member of a team. Your leadership has to look out what's best for the Army.
Best of luck
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Ask your NCOs directly if the APFT is being administered as a diagnostic tool since your profile expired some days ago. I would suspect it is a diagnostic evaluation based upon what medical control has advised. Additionally from my understanding the APFT is much easier to apply and test out than the ACFT which would seem to be to your advantage.
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If this is needed to pass, then Soldier, take some motrin, pray to your god, and accomplish the mission. Once you get to permanent party, go to sick call and get healed up.
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Are you currently under a profile that states no push ups, sit ups or running? If you are, did you inform the 1SG of this?
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PV2 (Join to see)
I got off profile on the 11th. I was going to wait until i got to my unit to start my permanent profile for reoccurring hip knee and leg problems
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SSG (Join to see)
PV2 (Join to see) - If you are not currently on profile, you are required to take and pass a PT test at 60 PTS per category to complete AIT and be considered MOS qualified. It would seem that since you have not passed the PT standards in AIT, the commander can have you take a test. Your passing of the class is not all that matters, you could have gotten 100% on everything, but until you pass the PT test you are not qualified.
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My pt test at AIT I had pneumonia but still had to take and still passed with the highest score. For PLDC I had broken all my toes and a few bones on top of foot the day before I left to go. I had just come back from deployment and hadn’t had a PT for record for over a year, so I had to pass one to remain there. So I taped up my foot as tight as I could and ran like a mofu and had my best time ever on the run. Got a 300 on that test. Sometimes you just gotta suck it up and drive on as the saying goes.
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Jesus Christ, just take the test, everyone’s always trying to get out if everything. It’ll take a whole 45 minutes out of your day if that.
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So you're like 4 months into your career and you're questioning your CoC on a social media site? Grow a set and talk to your 1SG, you man enough to sign on the line but not enough to hold a face to face conversation?
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SGT (Join to see)
Telling a brand new SM (who very well may be a female) to “grow a set” is completely inappropriate, lewd, and not conducive in the slightest. At four months in, I have never met a joe that knew who exactly they could reach out to. I expected more from a SNCO; social media site or not.
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MSG (Join to see)
I wanted to say "man up" but thought that could be misconstrued as sexist. However, Army training taught us that females can, in fact, have a "set".
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Sgt Dale Briggs
It’s a PT test not an Iron Man contest, it’s what you do to get out if boot. And if you just completed AIT is should take you 30 minutes or less. Two minute run 11-12 minutes, pull-ups 1 minute, sit-ups - 2 minutes. That’s 15 minutes plus a blow in between, so 20 minutes.
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