Posted on Oct 20, 2015
Are not all crimes of violence 'hate crimes'? Is there a practical reason to creating a 'hate crime' category?
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"I believe this to be a hate crime," Zuidema said Tuesday. "It's a crime against a group of individuals, not based on something they've done, but based on who they are. This is one or perhaps two individuals – cowards – acting under the cloak of anonymity and leaving a hate message," he said. "It's targeting police officers. But it doesn't meet the definition of a hate crime in North Carolina," Zuidema noted. "Being a police officer is not included in that."
According to the FBI, a hate crime is "a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias." Congress has defined a hate crime as a "criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation." North Carolina has a hate crime enhancement statute, but it only applies to misdemeanors. The state also has an "ethnic intimidation" statute, which criminalizes the attack of another based on race, color, religion, nationality, or country of origin.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/20/nc-police-chief-calls-kill-cop-save-child-vandalism-hate-crime/?intcmp=hplnws
According to the FBI, a hate crime is "a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias." Congress has defined a hate crime as a "criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, ethnic origin or sexual orientation." North Carolina has a hate crime enhancement statute, but it only applies to misdemeanors. The state also has an "ethnic intimidation" statute, which criminalizes the attack of another based on race, color, religion, nationality, or country of origin.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/20/nc-police-chief-calls-kill-cop-save-child-vandalism-hate-crime/?intcmp=hplnws
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I explained this to my teenage son. He didn't get it right away...
So a "Hate Crime" is one where the motivation of the perpetrator is proven to be hate against the victim because of race, gender, eye color, Android or iPhone, right?
So... we're going to punish a person MORE SEVERELY because of what s/he was THINKING or FEELING at the time? And how do you prove what someone was thinking? This just smells of tyranny to me. I don't care how you spell it out, you're punishing someone specifically for what they believe.
Actions are judged, NOT thoughts or beliefs. Dear God in Heaven... this is still America, isn't it?
PS: before anyone goes down the "Premeditated Murder" alley, remember that 1st Degree Murder requires proof that the perpetrator took actions before the crime to ensure that the crime was successful. Again, the ACTIONS are being judged.
So a "Hate Crime" is one where the motivation of the perpetrator is proven to be hate against the victim because of race, gender, eye color, Android or iPhone, right?
So... we're going to punish a person MORE SEVERELY because of what s/he was THINKING or FEELING at the time? And how do you prove what someone was thinking? This just smells of tyranny to me. I don't care how you spell it out, you're punishing someone specifically for what they believe.
Actions are judged, NOT thoughts or beliefs. Dear God in Heaven... this is still America, isn't it?
PS: before anyone goes down the "Premeditated Murder" alley, remember that 1st Degree Murder requires proof that the perpetrator took actions before the crime to ensure that the crime was successful. Again, the ACTIONS are being judged.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
Great post, PO2 Erickson. Sociopathic murderers feel NOTHING for their victims when they commit their heinous crimes (Bundy, Gacy), so are they instantly immune from being charged with a hate crime? Tyranny up, table 2!
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Hate Crime is an oft overused term, but I think such a distinction is necessary. Now as in the past, crimes that are motivated clearly by race or other discriminatory factory (sex, gender preference, religion,etc.) need to be identified for what they are, because more often than not the point to a much larger systemic problem within the community. Unless that problem is addressed these crimes will continue to occur. Hate Crime designation points out the underlying causes behind a crime and raises awareness, and therefore action against it. There are many people who want to pretend that there is not a problem with racism, sexism, and other forms of discrimination in our country. They are VERY wrong, and I would point to the Trump campaign as proof that we are living in very dangerous times. We need to call a spade a spade, otherwise more people will continue to overlook things.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
Sociopaths by definition don't care how anyone labels their criminal behaviors, and therefore they will never be deterred by uselessly redundant "hate" legislation.
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CPO Andy Carrillo, MS
Sociopaths do not feel for or against other fellow humans, and psychopaths feel but choose to ignore feeling empathy towards others--so more 'hate legislation' means nothing to criminal perpetrators. As a social masturbatory exercise there might be some merit in helping 'sheeple' feel that they are doing something about someone's base motives. However, one cannot legislate 'feelings' or a lack of them; but we do punish anti-social criminal behaviors already (I hope).
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