Posted on Apr 19, 2014
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One of my biggest peeves about the NCOER system are people going by some weird metric that you can't get a 1/1 on your first NCOER, or your first NCOER as a SSG, so forth and so on.<div><br></div><div>That NCOER is about the CURRENT rating period. If that NCO is just awesome, then why can't they get a 1/1? Haven't people ever had a SGT that was better than all their SSGs, and so forth? I know I have.</div><div><br></div><div>They don't "need room to grow" (which I've also heard, and I'll address that). You sent them to the board presumably for a reason - you thought they could perform well as a SGT. If it's the "need to grow" thing then you better take a career NCO and give them a 5/5 because how in 10-20 years of being an NCO are they not going to get a 1/1 quickly?</div><div><br></div><div>Why do people say this? Where in the regulation does it say this? Why do people think that someone can't get a 1/1 on their first NCOER?</div><div><br></div><div>All of this being said, if you have seen my other NCOER threads or read my NCOER LPD you know that I think NCOERs are generally over-inflated. So you shouldn't just give a 1/1 because you like the guy. But it drives me nuts to hear "that's good for your first NCOER" or "you can't expect to get a 1/1 on your first NCOER".</div>
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SGM Matthew Quick
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Weak leadership that doesn't articulate HOW to earn certain marks during counseling...if what was required for evaluation marks it was explained during counseling, this should never been an issue.
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If you aren't counseled, you should approach your rater and senior rater and explain the situation. 
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There has been a misconception in the Army for the last decade or more that says that if you DON'T get a 1/1, then you are a sh*tbag NCO.


If you read AR 623-3, you will see that a 1/1 evaluation is given for those who truly excel and outshine ALL OTHER NCOs in the raters' unit.  Thus, every NCO CANNOT be a 1/1, otherwise a 1/1 becomes a 3/3 because it's the "new normal."


As a former BN S-1 NCO who has seen and reviewed hundreds of NCOERs, I have seen too many 1/1 evals for NCOs who truly did not deserve them.  I have seen 1/1 NCOERs that were "cut & pasted" and even got three of these cut & paste evals on the same day-- same grammatical and typo errors. 


If you, as a rater, are giving out 1/1 evals to everyone, then you are doing the NCO and the entire evaluation system a disservice, as you are watering down what a 1/1 stands for. 


It's kind of like an economy-- if you keep printing money with nothing to back it, then all that cash is worthless because everyone has it and it has no value.


If a brand new SGT comes in, kicks butt, volunteers, is a PT stud, is an awesome leader, and excels at his/her job, then by all means.  But just doing the job is NOT a 1/1-- coming in and doing your job without getting in trouble is a 3/3.  If you have new SGTs that are getting 1/1s (honestly) and your experienced SGTs are not, then your "more experienced" SGTs need to get on the ball!

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Well said SGT Unger.
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I have to agree, if you perform and have true potential to excel in the next grade the soldier should get 1/1.

From my experience my first NCOER was 2/1 and I was rated for 6 months. However, during that rating period I filled the squad leader position for 2 1/2 months until my squad leader arrived to the unit. When it came to my EVAL he gave me what I earned a 2/1. I performed exceptionally well and had the potential to perform in the next higher rank. 
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