Posted on Oct 28, 2015
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I'm curious to get feedback from men and women on this topic. I am on affirmative action committee and am a recruiter at a federal prison. Today was our annual retreat and we covered statistics of what we looked like demographically as a prison compared to the model of what we should look like for EEO based on our nearest city. We are not meeting the 50% mark for employed women it would like us to model, nor are we anywhere close. I'm one of 6 female correctional officers , there are 43 total female employees between all departments. I have a recruiting trip at FT.Drum next week and would love to get some insight on what may or may not being drawing females to or away from this field?
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Well, the truth is, anytime you base the hiring process on demographic statistics you know - this is a wrong approach. Eventually it always comes down to denying employment to thise who REALLY want it while granting it to those who really don't care enough about it to even consider it in the first place, until you tell them - hey, we are hiring YOUR group, wanna come?!?

Wrong approach.
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There were other categories we didnt match the expectations of the model in. That's to be expected it's a small town area and based on the nearest metropolitan area. The goal is to make sure that we are not targeting but ensuring minorities are receiving the same information and opportunities as everyone else.
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As far as what might be the deterring factor, well, I would imagine not too many females would want to work in a corrections facility. I am a NYPD cop, spent plenty of time at the central booking, it is by far not the nicest place. At least cops get to move around, a CO is pretty much tied to the prison, it has to be very depressing, I give thise guys a lot of credit for basically living behind bars, dealing with career criminals day in and day out and not loosing their humanity, I honestly don't think I'd be able to do it. Another deterring factor could be the benefits. Fron what I know, most civil service/law enforcement jobs have better retirement feals than the COs.
Just to compare NYPD to NYC Corrections Dept - NYPD has 20 and ot, best three years, $12000 variable supplement, 457K, 50% pension increase and the ITHP. NYC Corrections don't have any of these perks. So, there are two factors you may want to think about :)
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Pay could defiantly be a factor it's a federal prison so it follows the federal LEO pay scale. As for the non custody positions still on the same pay scale such as our business office and medical, there might not be as many incentives as outside agencies other then student loan repayment and the retirement. I agree dealing with Americas convicted problem children isn't always very rewarding or exciting. I'm fortunate I enjoy working with the staff and I'm at a decent facility.
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CPT (Join to see) I think I understand your question a little bit better after reading these more recent comments from you. My first thought on what to do about trying to figure out how to get more women to apply would be to first ask yourself, why did I apply for this? Then ask the same question to the other females that work there. My guess is you will probably get an answer to your question and will come up with something based on the answers you get to this question.
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At the risk of sounding misogynistic, I don't see this on the girl's "Things I'd Like to Do When I Grow Up" list. I showed your question to my two daughters (15- and 17-yrs old). Their response was dismissive and borderline unsavory: "You're kidding me, right?" Look at the demographics of those in the military: While they may reflect racial diversity, the field is still male dominated.
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SN Greg Wright
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Capt Mark Strobl - It's so funny...we're joking on the interwebs...but both so absolutely being honest lol (I have 3 daughters, the youngest is 18. So I get it!) You'll make jokes (as I have, and will) about your girl driving...but secretly you're proud.

Things is...neither you, nor any good father...is going to give his daughter shit for not feeling the need to break into the Correctional Officer gig. I am hesitant to take the 1LT poster to task for this thread -- she's young, and impressionable, and trying to make her way through life in a world that favors macho men (and is therefore admirable)...Still. I think it would behoove her to recognize that EEO is not always the answer. And in an environment where violent criminals might, at any moment, decide that they have nothing to lose....well.

I certainly would do my best to talk my girls out of that field.
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No doubt about it. It's unrealistic to think law enforcement wouldn't be mostly male dominated. That won't change,the goal is to recruit qualified individuals, regardless of gender, race , etc... There are a lot of non custody positions within the agency(Hr, medical, psychology, business, food service ,counsellors , Rec) so it's not just about recruiting anyone to be a correctional officer. It would be interesting to hear from women in the field past and present, or those interested in possibly applying and what questions they have. There are 3 county jails , 6 state prisons and 1 federal all within an hour or so up here. That's a a lot of jobs for this area.
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I understand the EEO model isn't an accurate portrayal for this field. Regardless of what happens recruiting wise that won't change. It isn't an environment for everyone, but there are a lot of people the jobs a good fit for and they do good at it. I started working for the bureau with intentions to move up within the bureau, not stay as a correctional officer. I threw this post out there to get different points of view. We have a lot of prisons in this area and they provide a lot of jobs.
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COL Jon Thompson
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ACapt Mark Strobl I was just thinking the same thing you said about the gender makeup of the military. It is no where near the nation's gender balance. I just think there are some jobs that do not appeal to men and women the same. Military, law enforcement, and this are probably a few of those.
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CPT (Join to see) With respect, it's hard to believe that your employer can't figure this out: women in your position face the constant threat of violence and rape, to a a degree that is not 'normal' (giving a nod here to the fact that this is something women do need to be aware of generally), and the associated constant stress that goes with it. It seems like you are strong enough to deal with those issues...but many are not, or choose not to. This really seems like a no-brainer to me. Half the men working as CO's don't want to be there.

What's their pitch look lilke? "Come be a CO! Constant threat of physical violence at low low government wages!!" ??

Who could pass that up?

On another note, welcome to RP, 1LT!
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Cpl Dennis F.
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CPT (Join to see) I have to agree with Greg here. I have a Friend in Corrections. She has been recovering from a severely fractured job from an on the job attack. Prior to this her number one complaint was a lack of PPG or just protection, period, from the inmates. I keep tellling her to get the hell out of that job!
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