Posted on Apr 22, 2014

The 7 sinful career-enders of QMP do you agree or disagree RallyPoint? I agree, to focus on the total Soldier concept.

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NEW RULES FOR Qualitative
Management Pro- gram screenings will be triggered when items in one of the
following seven categories are received for permanent filing in a soldier’s Army
Military Human Resources Record.

The QMP policy only applies to documents related to
performance or conduct in a soldier’s current grade. Documents generated before
a soldier was promoted to his or her current rank will be not used for QMP
referral.

The seven sins:

1. Memorandum of reprimand from a general officer.

2. Conviction by court-martial or punishment under Article
15 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

3. A “relief for cause” NCO Evaluation Report (DA Form
2166-8) pre- pared in compliance with Paragraph 3-55 of Army
Regulation 623-3 (Evaluation Reporting System).

4.The annotation of “no” in Part IV, Block A of DA Form
2166-8, which is the section of the NCO Evaluation Report dealing with Army
values, attributes, skills and actions.

5. A rating from the
senior rater of 4 (fair) or 5 (poor) for overall performance or potential in
Part V, Blocks C or D of the NCO Evaluation
Report.

6. A Service School Academic Evaluation Report (DA form
1059) indicating failure of an NCO Education System course.

7. The approval by the Army G-1 of a request from the
commander of the Human Resources Command
or a commander with
general court-martial convening authority to refer a soldier to QMP
processing.

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Edited 10 y ago

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MSG (Join to see)

Posted 10 y ago

Thank you for the clarification! I agree with it, particularly in keeping the digging in the current grade...I know plenty of folks that got an article 15 early in and have been clean as a whistle since....though that would be one way to down size.

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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL

10 y

Roger that, its definitely a downsizing tool in my opinion.

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LTC (Join to see)

Posted 10 y ago

Here is my question what if a Soldier is fighting their referred NCOERs that have items 3-5 on the list? Does the board still get to see these or is it blocked? If blocked does the board pass over them or know that they are referred? What would you do if you were on the board?

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SFC (Join to see)

10 y

That definitely fits the criteria for a letter to the Board. Just don't whine or beg, its very unbecoming of an NCO to beg.

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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL

10 y

Good question Sir, don't know, but I can tell you for sure, you might get passed up on promotion and possibly kicked out on the QMP program, due to downsizing

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SFC (Join to see)

>1 y

Sir, it doesn't matter if there is a Commander's Inquiry being conducted. The NCO has two shots with HRC and two shots with the ABCMR. The NCO can send all the letters they want while you must realize that the Army redress process is comprised of kangaroo courts specifically designed to deny every appeal that is processed.

The QMP and QSP will not refrain from reviewing the NCO's record or sending them packing because they are going through the redress process.

What gets to me is I know multiple Soldiers who marginally made through or did not passed NCOES who are now officers that continue to slip through the caps while some great NCO's who have had tougher rating chains or just plain didn't get along with the rating chain are losing their careers over an unjust NCOER or other issues that do not truly speak to the contributions they have made and continue to make!

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SPC Deborah Wert Ferner

9 y

since when they stop looking at the whole record and only part of their service record? If that is the case then what is the use of having a record of service, awards, reprimands ant etc. Why not just go back to the atta boy way of things?

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SSG (Join to see)

Posted 10 y ago

Great information. One question I'm sure will raise is the reprimand piece. I do know a few of my peers who received reprimands for whatever reasons I'm not privy to. But none, that I know of, are GOMORs. They're BN or BDE level reprimand letters filed in their AMHRR by request to the first GO in the chain of command. Is there really a difference between an LOR and GOMOR with regard to QMP?

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SSG (Join to see)

10 y

SFC Stimpson, I agree with the LOR being a slap on the wrist and also agree that a Senior NCO in receipt of one should be more strongly punished as they are the ones charged with a greater level of responsibility. About what the LOR is for......I only don't agree with it because an LOR is not a GOMOR and if the regulation specifies "GOMOR" and mentions nothing about an "LOR" then the LOR should never be reviewed or considered when selecting for QMP. My position behind this is solely keeping to what is authorized by law, which is the regulation.

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SFC (Join to see)

10 y

As I understand the MILPER message for the last MSG Promotion/SFC QMP Board, any derogatory items in a Soldier's OMPF since their last date of promotion was subject to review by the board. That would mean a LOR filed into their OMPF even if it wasn't from a GO would meet the criteria for QMP. Am I misinterpreting the message?

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SSG (Join to see)

10 y

Can I get the MILPER message number? I'm not seeing any MILPER messages on HRC in relation to QMP/QSP.

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MAJ (Join to see)

>1 y

When a Brigade Commander gives a Soldier a Letter of Reprimand, and then forwards that letter of reprimand to the first General Officer in the Chain of Command, with a recommendation that it be filed in the OMPF, that letter of reprimand becomes a GOMOR if the CG forwards it for filing - regardless of the fact that it originated with the Brigade Commander.

tl;dr - SFC Simpson is right on.

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