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There is a soldier that failed out of WLC from failing the warrior test and his plan of action was to get a 100 GT score on the AFCT or they going to push him to get out. He is barred at the moment. Not only that. He is in the FAST class from 1300 to 1600. They also offer extra tutoring from 1000 to 1300. He asked his squad leader if he can attend. She allowed him go. Her platoon sergeant told her she was basically wrong. What I am trying to figure out is, is this possible AND if this is possible, why not let him go if they are going to kick him out if he does not get a 110 GT score? I am confused on this issue
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I don't believe that a soldier should be kicked out of the service because they didn't score a 110 on the afct. But if he failed WLC I know there is no room for him to advance. When I went to WLC they told us if you fail any NCOES school that you're military career was going to be over.
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I thought failure of any NCOES was cause for separation from the Military.
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If he doesn't already have a 110 GT, he shouldn't be eligible for Warrant anyway.
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Let me amend that, my first read through I miss read the WLC.
But, if the SM already failed out of WLC, it's a pretty good indicator of their potential in the military. You also mentioned that the unit wants to "push" the SM out and have barred reenlistment. Those are not the same as being kicked out. They mean that they don't feel like the SM has sufficient potential to justify continued investment. I am personally aware that at time leadership will go to significant lengths (and even use unlawful means) to remove a soldier that has caused them embarrassment. Failing WLC gives unit leadership a rather large black eye, especially with out extenuating circumstances.
As for the refusal of tutoring during the duty day, they probably want to see this individual do what is necessary to stay in on their own time, for the unit to sacrifice the duty time and work from this soldier, to enable the SM to redeem themself is understandable and appropriate. This is a matter of personal development, and the individual needs to show that they are willing to sacrifice significant personal time and effort to ensure their success. There has developed in the military and unrealistic, and morally atrophied idea, that the organization is supposed to provide the majority of investment in the individual. This concept weakens our force, and the individual. It leaves people underdeveloped in matters of discipline, professional development, self-sufficiency, and grossly unprepared for leaving the military and competing in the civilian market.
But, if the SM already failed out of WLC, it's a pretty good indicator of their potential in the military. You also mentioned that the unit wants to "push" the SM out and have barred reenlistment. Those are not the same as being kicked out. They mean that they don't feel like the SM has sufficient potential to justify continued investment. I am personally aware that at time leadership will go to significant lengths (and even use unlawful means) to remove a soldier that has caused them embarrassment. Failing WLC gives unit leadership a rather large black eye, especially with out extenuating circumstances.
As for the refusal of tutoring during the duty day, they probably want to see this individual do what is necessary to stay in on their own time, for the unit to sacrifice the duty time and work from this soldier, to enable the SM to redeem themself is understandable and appropriate. This is a matter of personal development, and the individual needs to show that they are willing to sacrifice significant personal time and effort to ensure their success. There has developed in the military and unrealistic, and morally atrophied idea, that the organization is supposed to provide the majority of investment in the individual. This concept weakens our force, and the individual. It leaves people underdeveloped in matters of discipline, professional development, self-sufficiency, and grossly unprepared for leaving the military and competing in the civilian market.
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Is there any chance that he could reapply for WLC after getting some needed help?
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Sounds like you need to talk to the 1SG or the Commander and get the full story.
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Unless the 110 score is an Army requirement, no, they cannot separate you for that. Even if a 4856 says so. That's like saying if I give a 4856 to one of my troops that states the plan of action is to get a "100" on the PT run and they don't achieve it, I can push for separation. If you meet the standard, you meet the standard. However, as the Major said, me think there is more to the story. I was told a few years back that if you even received a "Marginally Achieved" on your 1059, you can kiss senior promotions goodbye. With downsizing, competition, and all other factors considered, your friend's chances of staying in for the long haul are slim...with or without the 110 score. This is a byproduct of contemporary military times of our current state and how we don't allow soldiers to fail anymore. The military fosters an attitude that solders can't fail in any aspect, or risk getting processed out.
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I don't really understand what you are saying... it sounds like there is some information missing. You can't kick a Soldier out of the Army for not getting a 110 GT on their ASVAB. That doesn't make any sense since it is an entrance test to determine job eligibility and is used as a baseline for schools like OCS, WOCS, and SOF to name a few. I don't even think a Commander can do what you are describing. If it were me, I would be at the door of the IG over this. Doesn't make any sense...
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Or go see the Commander and get the full story. It seems something got lost in translation.
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Thats the full story. I am the first line. I thought I was missing something too sir.
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Sorry to hear this. From what I see, since the Army is downsizing, they are less likely to give other chances.
WLC is a required course for stating in the military, so not passing stops any solder from further progressing. Is this soldier able to get back in?
WLC is a required course for stating in the military, so not passing stops any solder from further progressing. Is this soldier able to get back in?
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