Posted on Nov 15, 2015
I'm forming a non-profit, for a 501(c)19 the term "War veteran" includes those that haven't deployed in uniform?
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Rather than start from scratch, why not become active and make a different with a well-established existing veteran service organization? You can charter a brand new American Legion post with 9 other veterans or join an existing post to further your specific outreach goals.
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Capt Bob Abbott
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Stephanie Brown
Capt Bob Abbott - While forming a 501(c)3 or other non-profit entity may seem daunting - the IRS being the antithesis of the KISS approach (Keep It Simple Stupid) - you can do it yourself & not further the legal profession's stranglehold on common sense use of the English language. (no offense to the attorneys in the group) Having said that, I agree with the other posts that recommend collaborating with an existing non-profit. The IRS recognizes these arrangements as a 'Fiscal Sponsorship Agreement.' Sample agreements can be found online - modify accordingly.
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Please see IRS IRC Manual for detailed definitions and description of specific requirements.
o https://www.irs.gov/irm/part7/irm_07-025-019.html
Section 7.25.19.6.1 "War veterans are defined as persons, whether or not present members of the United States Armed Forces, who have served in the Armed Forces of the United States during a period of war. Periods of war are generally considered to be the same as set forth in 38 U.S.C. section 101 concerning veterans' benefits." ( e.g. December 7, 1941, through December 31, 1946; June 27, 1950, through January 31, 1955; August 5, 1964, through May 7, 1975; and August 2, 1990, and ending on the date prescribed by Presidential Proclamation or by law. As of the date of drafting of these guidelines, the date was open. The IRS does not require service in the theater of combat to be eligible to be counted as a veteran member. )
o https://www.irs.gov/irm/part7/irm_07-025-019.html
Section 7.25.19.6.1 "War veterans are defined as persons, whether or not present members of the United States Armed Forces, who have served in the Armed Forces of the United States during a period of war. Periods of war are generally considered to be the same as set forth in 38 U.S.C. section 101 concerning veterans' benefits." ( e.g. December 7, 1941, through December 31, 1946; June 27, 1950, through January 31, 1955; August 5, 1964, through May 7, 1975; and August 2, 1990, and ending on the date prescribed by Presidential Proclamation or by law. As of the date of drafting of these guidelines, the date was open. The IRS does not require service in the theater of combat to be eligible to be counted as a veteran member. )
Internal Revenue Manual - 7.25.19 Veterans' Organizations
IRC 501(c)(19) exempts from federal income tax a post or organization of past or present members of the Armed Forces of the United States, or an auxiliary unit or society of, or a trust or foundation for any such post or organization.
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I wasn't saying anything about veterans organizations that used to exclude women and certain minorities they didn't like. I was just saying for the sake of setting up 501(c)(19) that IRS regulations are very clear about what they will approve and they won't approve.
Would you exclude the widow and children of a fallen comrade? They are allowed to be . . . let's be strict say "associate" members for up to 10% of the organization . . . before the IRS will pull the plug on the organization's nonprofit status.
Would you exclude the widow and children of a fallen comrade? They are allowed to be . . . let's be strict say "associate" members for up to 10% of the organization . . . before the IRS will pull the plug on the organization's nonprofit status.
Capt Bob Abbott
Thanks Sandy, but it doesn't seem clear to me. Here's why (and I was a 'reg guy' in the Air Force):
- In the first bit, it seems to define the phrase "war veteran" really easy. Now throughout the section it says veteran, but then it defines the phrase "war veteran" as what you just wrote. Too easy, right?
- Then the bit you wrote at the end. It never actually states that you don't have to be in a theater of combat. And I've learned with the IRS not to infer things.
Why is it important? I would like any donations to be tax-exempt, and for that to happen 90% of the org must be "war veterans".
- In the first bit, it seems to define the phrase "war veteran" really easy. Now throughout the section it says veteran, but then it defines the phrase "war veteran" as what you just wrote. Too easy, right?
- Then the bit you wrote at the end. It never actually states that you don't have to be in a theater of combat. And I've learned with the IRS not to infer things.
Why is it important? I would like any donations to be tax-exempt, and for that to happen 90% of the org must be "war veterans".
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Capt Bob Abbott. You can call your state and federal tax authorities for an interpretation. But, the language seems pretty clear to me . . . fox tax purposes the organization must be 90% war veterans . . . individuals who served during time of war but necessarily in combat or in combat theater. Note you want state and federal exemption.
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I'm not sure what you're asking, but I would say that those who didn't deploy to the war are not war veterans. As an example, during Desert Storm, I was on a ship in a regularly scheduled drydock maintenance period, so I missed that war. I don't consider myself a war veteran, even though I served during that war...
LTC John Shaw
Capt Bob Abbott Salesforce.com also offers ten free licenses for any Not for profit and you can create a very good site based on just these licenses.
http://www.salesforce.org/nonprofit/?pi_ad_id= [login to see] 7
http://www.salesforce.org/nonprofit/?pi_ad_id= [login to see] 7
Nonprofit Overview - Salesforce.org
Fundraising, Marketing, Community Engagement, Program Management, Analytics. A full suite of flexible software to help you scale your organisation.
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LTC John Shaw
Capt Bob Abbott Ohio's AG site as an example:
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Business-and-Non-Profits/Charity/Charitable-Registration
http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Business-and-Non-Profits/Charity/Charitable-Registration
Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine - Charitable Registration
Please be aware that the filing system may experience slowdowns during peak hours. Ohio requires charitable organizations located in Ohio and groups that ask Ohioans for contributions to file annual reports with the Attorney General’s Office. These filings are public and contribute to accountability and transparency within the charitable sector.
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LTC John Shaw I tagged you because of your credentials; I'm not forming any organizations personally...
Capt Bob Abbott
LTC John Shaw - Thanks John, I have a site already, cominghomewell.com, and using the Crowdcast software for the interviews. Now I'm just waiting on Crowdcast Tech Support to teach me how to embed the viewer into my webpage.
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