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Walt, you need help. None of the comments you have mentioned rise to treason. Trump is in no position of power or authority. His comments are his opinions just like everyone on this forum. If you don't like them, don't vote for him and move on. You look like a loon posting things like this.
He is allowed to poke any beast he likes under the first amendment. There is nothing, zero that rises to the level of treason and you ought to know that. You are simply following the left's playbook in trying to shut down any voice you do not like.
If you don't like what he says, post counter arguments and positions, encourage you friends/family to steer away. To attempt to play the treason card is simply juvenile.
He is allowed to poke any beast he likes under the first amendment. There is nothing, zero that rises to the level of treason and you ought to know that. You are simply following the left's playbook in trying to shut down any voice you do not like.
If you don't like what he says, post counter arguments and positions, encourage you friends/family to steer away. To attempt to play the treason card is simply juvenile.
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Capt Walter Miller
Cpl Jeff N. - "You seem unable to countenance someone with a different world view than you. "
I am kind of against treason.
Sometimes I can see both sides of an argument, but on RP that is not often an issue.
Walt
I am kind of against treason.
Sometimes I can see both sides of an argument, but on RP that is not often an issue.
Walt
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Cpl Jeff N.
Capt Walter Miller . I will say it one more time and then leave it alone. You've offered nothing that amounts to treason, only something that amounts to severe disagreement. You seem to be of the mindset that if you say something enough times you will get people to believe it. That might work with the weak of mind. It will not work here. Put up the Treason charges you would have someone file. What are the specifically and where would you have them filed and by whom? Put up or shut up.
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Walt with all due respect. You are way off on this one and your statements are very dangerous. Attempting to tie someone's protected first amendment right to treason is a VERY slippery slope. What you suggest amounts to the destruction of liberty and tramples on the very document we all swore to defend.
Also using Ad Hominem attacks basically tells everyone that you can't win the argument based on message alone. So your argument is weak and not really well supported.
As far as those on the watch list being prohibited from buying firearms, I strongly oppose this idea as things currently are. The decision to place someone on the no fly list is a unilateral decision that does not go through a court. Sure there is a redress process, but any infringement on a right without a trial by jury is strictly prohibited and unconstitutional on the basis of the 5th and 14th amendments. Furthermore, the Farook and his wife weren't on the watch list to begin with. They had no criminal record nor were they deemed a threat based on mental health. So as you can see, no background check in the world will stop someone who hadn't done anything up to that point. I would also like to point out that they were stopped by people with guns.
As for your claims of gerrymandering, I do not have the numbers nor the time to look it up so I will refrain from discussing that for the time being. If I get time later I will look it up comment.
I get what you are trying to say, I do. I just think that instead of being divisive and lashing out with personal attacks it would be more productive to come up with a compromise measure that doesn't trample on the very thing we all swore to protect or drive the wedge further between both sides. We need to remember that when we stop talking, stop cooperating and stop compromising the repercussions are something none of us want to see. The last time that occurred, the result was 600K dead Americans and countless others wounded. Just something to think about. As for me I hope we NEVER get to that point again.
Also using Ad Hominem attacks basically tells everyone that you can't win the argument based on message alone. So your argument is weak and not really well supported.
As far as those on the watch list being prohibited from buying firearms, I strongly oppose this idea as things currently are. The decision to place someone on the no fly list is a unilateral decision that does not go through a court. Sure there is a redress process, but any infringement on a right without a trial by jury is strictly prohibited and unconstitutional on the basis of the 5th and 14th amendments. Furthermore, the Farook and his wife weren't on the watch list to begin with. They had no criminal record nor were they deemed a threat based on mental health. So as you can see, no background check in the world will stop someone who hadn't done anything up to that point. I would also like to point out that they were stopped by people with guns.
As for your claims of gerrymandering, I do not have the numbers nor the time to look it up so I will refrain from discussing that for the time being. If I get time later I will look it up comment.
I get what you are trying to say, I do. I just think that instead of being divisive and lashing out with personal attacks it would be more productive to come up with a compromise measure that doesn't trample on the very thing we all swore to protect or drive the wedge further between both sides. We need to remember that when we stop talking, stop cooperating and stop compromising the repercussions are something none of us want to see. The last time that occurred, the result was 600K dead Americans and countless others wounded. Just something to think about. As for me I hope we NEVER get to that point again.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
David. Your up against the play book of the Left. They ALWAYS try to take Free Speech away when it comes from a person that doesn't fit or agree with there political agenda. The left doesn't debate. They shout anyone down that has a different opinion than there's. Have you ever watched Al Sharpton on MSNBC? He never ever had a person on his show that presented the other side. If you didn't agree with him 100% he just didn't have you on as a guest. That is censorship in my book.
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PO2 Mark Saffell
I try not to block. Cant say that about everyone. I do however block a person that just goes to whatever you say to vote it down simply because they think that's fun. As for shouting people down. I am sorry to say I feel like that happens way too often. Not so much here because we all have a common thread in our service but when I watch MSNBC I see them never invite a person that doesn't agree with there points on the show. To me that's censorship. But take a look at the main part of this thread. Can you seriously say that Trump committed Treason? Really? that's proof that the person that started this line wants to shut the mouth of a person he doesn't agree with. I don't agree with Trump but I swore an oath to protect his right to say what he said. I don't like the things the left says about touchy subjects but I don't call it treason or tell them they cant have there opinion. Lets take gun control as an example. Do you or anyone else really believe making it harder for a law abiding person to get a gun will reduce the murder rate in Chicago? Or stop a terrorist? Fact is gun free zones get people killed because they are soft targets. Here is another question for you when it comes to freedom of speech. When Black Lives Matter calls for the killing of cops should they be arrested? or when a cop dies be prosecuted for murder? The left has selected memory loss. They forget quickly about all the bad things they said about Bush yet one bad word be said about Obama and they want the person burned at the stake and he or she is branded a Bigot or racist when in fact they just don't agree with him. That is true and you know it.
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Capt Jeff S.
Wally, ISIS was created out of the vacuum left when Obama prematurely pulled out our troops in Iraq -- against the better judgment of his generals, which he fired for disagreeing with him. Over 200 of our best senior officers have had their careers cut short because they had the balls to speak the truth. They warned about the growing threat and Obama did nothing. He called "ISIL" the JV team. Was Obama's lack of action intentional because his campaign promise was more important to him than our National Security? He simply couldn't admit that the war in Iraq was not over. It didn't fit his narrative.
The Arab Spring, which Obama had his hand in, also is in part responsible for the creation of ISIS. What were we doing in Libya when we lost our Ambassador? Can you answer that honestly? I doubt it because we STILL don't have the information that Congressman Trey Gowdy requested from Hillary... < Information that would be incriminating to the Administration and expose their bypassing Congress to conduct their own foreign policy -- covertly.
You obsess over Trump's statement about not letting Muslims into this country until we can figure out how to vet them and call that a great recruiting tool for Muslims. Did you forget that Jimmy Carter stopped immigration from Iran during the hostage crisis? Perhaps you are just exercising your right to liberal double standards. Truth be told, Obama's weak foreign policy and covert aid to Muslim rebels has been the greatest recruiting tool for the Islamic State AND! As a gesture of their gratitude, they have threatened attacks on U.S. soil (which they made good on) and declared that they will plant their black flag at the White House. Thanks to Obama, our Allies don't trust us and our enemies no longer fear us.
Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Obama about backing the Al Qaeda linked Syrian rebels (a few of which who also happen to have a liking for eating the hearts of the Syrian gov't soldiers they kill). He even asked us to not get involved because our record of destabilizing governments which then got replaced with worse ones was not a very good one. We are on the wrong side in Syria and missed a great opportunity to cement ties with the Russians. Russia exposed Obama and Turkey, who are covertly supporting the Islamic State, but apparently you don't let facts uncloud your poor judgment.
The Arab Spring, which Obama had his hand in, also is in part responsible for the creation of ISIS. What were we doing in Libya when we lost our Ambassador? Can you answer that honestly? I doubt it because we STILL don't have the information that Congressman Trey Gowdy requested from Hillary... < Information that would be incriminating to the Administration and expose their bypassing Congress to conduct their own foreign policy -- covertly.
You obsess over Trump's statement about not letting Muslims into this country until we can figure out how to vet them and call that a great recruiting tool for Muslims. Did you forget that Jimmy Carter stopped immigration from Iran during the hostage crisis? Perhaps you are just exercising your right to liberal double standards. Truth be told, Obama's weak foreign policy and covert aid to Muslim rebels has been the greatest recruiting tool for the Islamic State AND! As a gesture of their gratitude, they have threatened attacks on U.S. soil (which they made good on) and declared that they will plant their black flag at the White House. Thanks to Obama, our Allies don't trust us and our enemies no longer fear us.
Russian President Vladimir Putin warned Obama about backing the Al Qaeda linked Syrian rebels (a few of which who also happen to have a liking for eating the hearts of the Syrian gov't soldiers they kill). He even asked us to not get involved because our record of destabilizing governments which then got replaced with worse ones was not a very good one. We are on the wrong side in Syria and missed a great opportunity to cement ties with the Russians. Russia exposed Obama and Turkey, who are covertly supporting the Islamic State, but apparently you don't let facts uncloud your poor judgment.
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