Posted on Feb 9, 2016
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I know our BN Chemical Officer told me that his ADSO was waived without him even asking for it to be waived. He is a 2LT YG2015.
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LTC Yinon Weiss
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I've heard of USMA grads from the year groups 2008-2010 time frame receive ADSO waivers since there was a drawdown in the 2013-2015 time frame. However, since you're Year Group 2014, I'm guessing that officer commissions were already drawn down at that point, so it's probably less likely for your group... but not impossible.
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If the Army tells you to leave honorably, ADSOs are waived. If the Army tells you to leave because you're a problem, you'll pay it back financially. If you want to leave at the convenience of the Army, they may waive it. I've seen the Army waive all kinds of things so long as it benefitted them. unless you don't make the O-3 list, or are medically retired, I doubt they'd waive a West Point ADSO.
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Thanks for the response, sir. Personally, I see myself staying for many years to come; but as my window opens to apply for specialized jobs that may increase my commitment, I figured it was a decent question to more fully understand my options.
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The Army is going to have retention issues moving into the future. The Army will tie everything to an ADSO. The new retirement system is changing the long term calculus of retiring. The wars are drawing down and small deployments are dwindling. The CTC rotations will go back to the norm. I remember when I was in training the big question of the seniors was always "how many CTC rotations do you have?" That was the bade of honor.
Your window is opening for branch transferring. What are you considering?
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In the short term, I have been looking towards submitting my packet for SFAS and moving into the SF community. As far as the bigger picture, my family and I are planning to stay in until I have the opportunity for grad school and then reevaluating after that follow-on commitment. Especially with the new retirement proposals.
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Moving into ARSOF was the best move of my career. I left the Field Artillery and never looked back. It's a different world with opportunities that most never hear about. The jobs and deployments are far more fulfilling in my humble opinion. It's just different. The grass isn't always greener. With the extreme positives come extreme lows. The SOF officer is gone for training, schools, or deployments, far more than the normal combat arms officer. That being said, the good group leadership keeps a consistent routine for the family to get used to. Unlike when I was a detatchment commander, the SOCOM commander has a Pressure on the Force (POTF) initiative started by McCraven, and Votel continued on, for a 1:2 dwell ratio. They're working towards achieving that but it's a move in the right direction for families.
As you can see from my profile I'm at the Naval Postgraduate School for 18 months in Monterey California. I'm attending a SOF funded Masters of Science in Information Strategy and Political Warfare. The SF officers attend for the Masters of Science in Defense Analysis-Irregular Warfare. It's a highly competitive program with a great curriculum. It counts for CGSC, too. If a masters is what your looking for, not necessarily an MBA, this could be a serious option. Monterey is incredible. Google the images, the click on Big Sur and the Pacific Coast Highway, which are all next to Monterey, Carmel, Pebble Beach, all incredible. just an option for you. I'm in my iPhone so forgive any grammatical mistakes.
Let me know if you have any questions about career paths. I have great friends in both SF and CA as well. I'd be happy to put you in touch and I know they would be happy to answer your questions as well.
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