Posted on May 23, 2014
Is indefinite detention a part of NDAA? (National Defense Authorization Act)
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I came across this story in one of my news sites and I was wondering if anyone else has seen or heard about this particular piece of legislation? Please don't call me an idiot for reading and believing this article as my belief in this country has been seriously shaken by the possibility that something like this could actually happen here.
House Passes Dictator Obama’s NDAA; Critical Amendments Fail, Others Succeed
23 May, 2014 admin
NDAA Prison without proof website
Posted May 23, 2014 by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D |The New American
On Wednesday, the House of Representatives passed the Fiscal Year 2015 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Of the 100 or so amendments that lawmakers attempted to add to the legislation, two — one approved and one rejected — went nearly unnoticed, despite their attempt to force the federal government to adhere to core constitutional principles.
First, there was the unsuccessful attempt by Representative Adam Smith (D-Wash.) to “eliminate indefinite detention in the United States and its territories.” The amendment benefited from bipartisan sponsorship (it was cosponsored by Georgia Republican Paul Broun) but was ultimately defeated by a vote of 191-230.
House Passes Dictator Obama’s NDAA; Critical Amendments Fail, Others Succeed
23 May, 2014 admin
NDAA Prison without proof website
Posted May 23, 2014 by Joe Wolverton, II, J.D |The New American
On Wednesday, the House of Representatives passed the Fiscal Year 2015 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Of the 100 or so amendments that lawmakers attempted to add to the legislation, two — one approved and one rejected — went nearly unnoticed, despite their attempt to force the federal government to adhere to core constitutional principles.
First, there was the unsuccessful attempt by Representative Adam Smith (D-Wash.) to “eliminate indefinite detention in the United States and its territories.” The amendment benefited from bipartisan sponsorship (it was cosponsored by Georgia Republican Paul Broun) but was ultimately defeated by a vote of 191-230.
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Charles, if you are referring to the part of the bill that authorizes indefinite detention of US citizens by the military without trial, my understanding was that it passed as part of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act, and has been renewed since. Strong supporters for the original amendment included Senators John McCain and Lindsay Graham, who claimed that the bill simply recognized that the global US war included action in the United States, and that it would be unlikely to actually be used against US citizens, and only against enemy combatants found in the United States. President Obama came out publicly against the amendment at the time, but eventually signed the bill. To be fair, his only practical alternative would have been to defund the entire US military.
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law
By the way, I see your news story has the headline "House Passes Dictator Obama's NDAA" -- I would suggest to you that any "news site" that has the words "Dictator Obama" is probably not a particularly trustworthy source in general. I would also add that perhaps nobody is more at odds with the President than the Republican Congress, so I wouldn't blame the President for actions taken by the Congress. In this particular case, the President's only practical option is to not sign the bill at all, which would effectively defund the entire US military. Only Congress has the power to include or exclude specific amendments, such as the one about indefinite detention without trial.
https://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law
By the way, I see your news story has the headline "House Passes Dictator Obama's NDAA" -- I would suggest to you that any "news site" that has the words "Dictator Obama" is probably not a particularly trustworthy source in general. I would also add that perhaps nobody is more at odds with the President than the Republican Congress, so I wouldn't blame the President for actions taken by the Congress. In this particular case, the President's only practical option is to not sign the bill at all, which would effectively defund the entire US military. Only Congress has the power to include or exclude specific amendments, such as the one about indefinite detention without trial.
President Obama Signs Indefinite Detention Bill Into Law
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SFC Lamont Womack
Great response Sir! I wish more people would educate themselves on issues before they take such a strong stance on them.
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For a president that blames Bush a lot, he sure does a good job of extending his policies. It is never ending Charles. This saddens me to my core.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
I totally agree with you CPL Ciesiun. The problem is, too many believe the rhetoric from all sides and base their judgements from that.
I remember just after 9/11 when the country was rallying behind the president and Congress, they questioned very little.
The first time I heard of the Patriot Act my heart sunk. My instincts said that this was a bad piece of legislation. Since then it has proved me right.
I remember just after 9/11 when the country was rallying behind the president and Congress, they questioned very little.
The first time I heard of the Patriot Act my heart sunk. My instincts said that this was a bad piece of legislation. Since then it has proved me right.
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Cpl (Join to see)
I've been through the judgement on my opinion of the whole country since I don't know maybe 2008 when I first watched zeit gueist, excuse the spelling. The one thing that hit me the hardest after 9/11 was when people of New York were arguing in the streets about how it really happened shortly after. I didn't understand why and now after years have passed and theories have been made it's sad we can't trust any of it anymore. Now deployments are as simple as, if everyone makes it home with life and limb it's a success and it just makes all the sacrifice seem wasted when all the progress has been destroyed because of an unclear agenda. You can never go wrong with what you feel about something. what you believe is what you believe and no one can take that from you if you're strong minded. It's just a shame the majority aren't.
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LCpl Steve Wininger
Sadly, many of the not so strong minded are the ones making policy and laws. It is a shame when they do send out the military with no clear plan, or when a change in administration changes the plan.
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SGT Nathan Huff
they are strong minded in there own way. but they are not making laws in the Interest of the People.
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